That is a fake info. Are u willing to bet with me with your account to be cease if I can prove u wrong?
China's Liaoning aircraft carrier group crosses Miyako Strait, patrols Diaoyu Islands, 'warning to Japan'
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Looks like a barber shop.Junk? Then what's your Vikramaditya AC then..stone age ship?
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there aren't centuries of hostility between Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. nobody thinks about that stuff anymore. there are centuries of hostilities of mostly Japanese against Chinese and Koreans which is proven fact. the rest is recent stuff.
Chinese do not hate Japanese people. Even after WW2, abandoned Japanese children in China were adopted and raised by Chinese families without retaliation, proving that we are the kindest people in the world that are willing to even raise the children of our oppressors, once they're no longer a threat.
What we have a problem with is the Japanese regime.
"UK government claims UK government owned ship is the best ship ever"
lol ok
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Then prove it with proof no personal fanboy opinions
UK Carrier was only commissioned last year and will cover 26,000 miles on a 28 week deployment
Now show me since 2011 since CV-16 has been sailing how many miles it’s done and days of continuous deployment?
I am quoting a governmental source let’s see the comparisons
The UK carrier has done more miles the Chinese casino carrier has done in a decade
Which is why UK can send it’s carrier to South China Sea and Taiwan straits but China can’t send it’s carrier hardly any distance from mainland
Record size and scope of Carrier Strike Group deployment announced
The largest concentration of maritime and air power to the UK in a generation will set sail next month, visiting more than 40 countries.www.gov.uk
Dude. The Chinese military is more powerful than the British military by every metric.
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This is OLD news (year = 2013).Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter
In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of the carrier-borne J-15 Flying Shark as nothing more than a “flopping fish.”
On Sept. 22, the state-controlled China Daily Times reported the new aircraft carrier Liaoning had just finished a three-month voyage and conducted over 100 sorties of “various aircraft,” of which the J-15 “took off and landed on the carrier with maximum load and various weapons.” This report was also carried on the official Liberation Army Daily.
Contradicting any report by official military or government media is unusual in China given state control of the media.
What sounded more like a rant than analysis, SMN, on Sept. 23, reported the new J-15 was incapable of flying from the Liaoning with heavy weapons, “effectively crippling its attack range and firepower.”
The fighter can take off and land on the carrier with two YJ-83K anti-ship missiles, two PL-8 air-to-air missiles, and four 500-kilogram bombs. But a weapons “load exceeding 12 tons will not get it off the carrier’s ski jump ramp.” This might prohibit it from carrying heavier munitions such as PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles.
To further complicate things, the J-15 can carry only two tons of weapons while fully fueled. “This would equip it with no more than two YJ-83K and two PL-8 missiles,” thus the “range of the YJ-83K prepared for the fighter will be shorter than comparable YJ-83K missiles launched from larger PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] vessels. The J-15 will be boxed into less than 120 [kilometers] of attack range.”
Losing the ability to carry the PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles will make the J-15 an “unlikely match” against other foreign carrier-based fighters.
“Even the Vietnam People’s Air Force can outmatch the PL-8 short-range missile. Without space for an electronic countermeasure pod, a huge number of J-15s must be mobilized for even simple missions, a waste for the PLA Navy in using the precious space aboard its sole aircraft carrier in service.”
Built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, the J-15 is a copy of the Russian-made Su-33. China acquired an Su-33 prototype from the Ukraine in 2001. Avionics are most likely the same as the J-11B (Su-27). In 2006, Russia accused China of reverse engineering the Su-27 and canceled a production license to build 200 Su-27s after only 95 aircraft had been built.
Vasily Kashin, a China military specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, suggests the J-15 might be a better aircraft than the Su-33. “I think that there might be some improvements because electronic equipment now weighs less than in the 1990s,” he said. It could also be lighter due to new composites that China is using on the J-11B that were not available on the original Su-33.
Despite improvements, Kashin wonders why the Chinese bothered with the Su-33 given the fact that Russia gave up on it. Weight problems and other issues forced the Russians to develop the MiG-29K, which has better power-to-weight ratio and can carry more weapons. “Of course, when the Chinese get their future carriers equipped with catapults, that limitation will not apply and they will be able to fully realize Su-33/J-15 potential — huge range and good payload,” Kashin said.
The Liaoning is the problem. The carrier is small — 53,000 tons — and uses a ski jump. From Russia’s experience, “taking off from the carrier with takeoff weight exceeding some 26 tons is very difficult,” Kashin said.
A possible answer is that it was unable to take off with both. “The article says that it can only carry ‘two tons’ of missiles and munitions when fully fueled, which is 4,400 pounds, and two YJ-83s plus two PL-8s would weigh over 4,000 pounds, leaving no margin for any PL-12s. But I don’t see why it couldn’t take off with PL-12s if it wasn’t carrying YJ-83s.” Cliff concludes that the J-15 should be capable of carrying PL-12s when it is flying purely air-to-air missions and that “it probably just can’t carry PL-12s when it is flying a strike mission.”
Kashin said the J-15, unlike the Su-33, should have a “potent” internal countermeasures suite, thus allowing for more space for weapons. The SMN report suggests it has an external electronic countermeasures (ECM) pod.
Weight issues should also not be too much of a problem for the J-15, he said, since the Su-33 did fly from the same type of carrier carrying “6-8 air-to-air missiles and Sorbtsia ECM pods carrying something like 6 to 6.5 tons of fuel.”
China’s next carriers will reportedly use electromagnetic catapults, Kashin said, but “limitations are significant when it comes to air-to-surface weapons, which limit the J-15’s use as a multirole fighter.
Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter
In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of ...miragec14.blogspot.com
The article is a bit longer. Read it carefully. It narates how substandard aircraft J15 are.
I have posted latest information in which you can see Liaoning carrier being operational with J-15 aircraft even in nighttime conditions. I have highlighted operational situations of this combo in 2018 and later.
An aircraft carrier takes much time to develop, test and operationalize because it necessitates ambitious tooling capacity, large number of components to be put together and make them compatible with each other, and to make the entire system reliable for operations in maritime conditions. If a new class of aircraft carrier is being developed then this undertaking can be expected to present numerous technical challenges and problems to overcome (significant trial-and-error learning process and curve). Liaoning is China's FIRST undertaking of this kind as well.
INS Vikramaditya was operational in 2013 and you could tout its performance levels at the time but Liaoning became operational in 2018 and it would be wise to compare these two ships with latest information on hand. This is all.
Err... I wouldn't draw this comparison.Casino ship is better than impotent ship like CVN USS Gerald Ford.
EMALS, AAG Hit 8,000 Aircraft Recoveries, Launches on Ford - Seapower
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EMALS is ambitious and expensive undertaking IMHO but Americans have managed to make this system work in maritime operational conditions.
The USS Gerald R. Ford and the Landing and Take-Off Launch System - Second Line of Defense
CVN 78 is being built to support a half century of air-breathing platform innovations.
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"EMALS (Electro-Magnetic Aircraft Launch System) uses an approach analogous to an electro-magnetic rail gun, in order to accelerate the shuttle that holds the aircraft. That approach provides a smoother launch, while offering up to 30% more launch energy potential to cope with heavier fighters. It also has far lower space and maintenance requirements, because it dispenses with most of the steam catapult’s piping, pumps, motors, control systems, etc. Ancillary benefits include the ability to embed diagnostic systems, for ease of maintenance with fewer personnel on board."
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Ford class feature incredibly sophisticated technologies, very high level of automation, impressive maneuverability and unparalleled global operational capacity with 2 x nuclear reactors.
You are looking at an entirely different class of aircraft carrier.
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this guy thinks that sailing a ship in uncontested international waters to other international waters off the coast of another country is a gigantic achievement.
here's a Chinese frigate sailing through the English Channel, 2019.
here's a Chinese SAG in Vancouver, Canada, 2013.
another Chinese SAG in Piraeus, Greece, 2017.
HMS Elizabeth is not UKs first aircraft carrier, they just had a pause in AC ops. Liaoning is China's first, give them some time and they will be passing through the straights of Gibraltar.
What HMS Elizabeth has achieved/ will achieve has 10 classes and ten of pieces of UK experience behind it:
List of aircraft carriers of the Royal Navy - Wikipedia
You are comparing 120 years of experience to ~5 years of experience, grow up.
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HMS Elizabeth is not UKs first aircraft carrier, they just had a pause in AC ops. Liaoning is China's first, give them some time and they will be passing through the straights of Gibraltar.
What HMS Elizabeth has achieved/ will achieve has 10 classes and ten of pieces of UK experience behind it:
List of aircraft carriers of the Royal Navy - Wikipedia
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You are comparing 120 years of experience to ~5 years of experience, grow up.
You expertise in an area is not dependent on your history of how many years ago you did it before but whether your continuous of keep up that expertise. UK has a big stagnant of years of not operating major aircraft carrier.
While PLAN has continuous 8 years of non stop training of their air wings, perfect their procedure. PLAN carrier operation efficiency has even surpass Soviet or Russian kuznetsov peak.
That is a simplified point of view but ok operational efficiency wise.
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And my d**k is bigger than yours
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There's more.Junk? What's your Vikramaditya AC then..stone age ship?
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Vikramatiya’s infrastructure is near the center of the carrier. Because it used to be a helicopter carrier. This reduced the working space on the deck.
This is proper aircraft carrier Island… at the edge of the carrier.
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This is Vikramatiya’s Bridge. It’s so out of date.
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This is a modern warship Bridge
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This is Vikramatiya’s Lifts. Small and Cramp built for small helicopters. The location of the lifts also obstruct aircraft landing.
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This is what an aircraft carrier lift should be like. Spacious wuth one side facing the edge.
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Vikramatiya do not have blast shield. You will have to clear eveything behind the engine or it will be blown into the sea. Look at the Jet blast below.
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All aircraft carriers have blast shield. Like this.
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Vikramatiya 2 take off position overlaps with the landing. You cannot takeoff and land at the same time. Also you only have 3 arrestors which are improvised as original design do not cater space for it.
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Liao Ning aircraft carrier has 3 take off positions. As you can see one take off position does not overlap the landing. There is 4 arrestors which are part of the original design.
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Vikramatiya also do not have this thing for emergency landing. If the aircraft hook is damaged, it can install a net across the deck to catch the aircraft.
Indicated by the red circle on the French Carrier
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On LiaoNing
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China also have a Kiev class helicopter carrier. But its only good enough as a floating hotel.
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There is also the problems due to the modifications. Such as the extra weight due to the addition of the angled deck, the take off ramp and the arrestor equipment. For LiaoNing, the take off ramp and the arrestor equipment were part of the original equipment.
So good luck trying to use this modified helicopter carrier.
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And we got some Indian ignorant still try to claim their vikramatiya is better than Liaoning to delude themselves. Pathetic! Few photo speaks a thousand words @Surya 1There's more.
Vikramatiya’s infrastructure is near the center of the carrier. Because it used to be a helicopter carrier. This reduced the working space on the deck.
This is proper aircraft carrier infrastructure… at the edge of the carrier.
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This is Vikramatiya’s Bridge. It’s so out of date.
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This is a modern warship Bridge
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This is Vikramatiya’s Lifts. Small and Cramp built for small helicopters. The location of the lifts also obstruct aircraft landing.
http://s1054.photobucket.com/user/themiddlepath1/media/Military/LiaoNingBridge_zps6004393f.jpg.html
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This is what an aircraft carrier lift should be like. Spacious wuth one side facing the edge.
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Vikramatiya do not have blast shield. You will have to clear eveything behind the engine or it will be blown into the sea. Look at the Jet blast below.
http://s1054.photobucket.com/user/themiddlepath1/media/Military/j-15-16_zps8319afce.jpg.html
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All aircraft carriers have blast shield. Like this.
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we don compare Vikramaditya with lioning as Lioning is unfit for any high sea operation. J15 is a junk . Chinese media itself says this so we don't have to say.
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