China's Liaoning aircraft carrier group crosses Miyako Strait, patrols Diaoyu Islands, 'warning to Japan'

[dbc]

Where is the royal Navy? Not there to protect Japanese?

project Japan ..from a casino? Are you serious?

 

[Beast]

project Japan ..from a casino? Are you serious?

Casino ship is better than impotent ship like CVN USS Gerald Ford.

 

[Surya 1]

Chinese Liaoning is better than Indian Vikramaditya in the present.

But you can not explain why? can you? I can prove otherwise with none other than Chinese and Russian references.

 

[Beast]

But you can not explain why? can you? I can prove otherwise with none other than Chinese and Russian references.

What can you prove with fake info?

Liaoning is 65000tons while Viky mouse is only 45000tons. The stupid and awkward bridge at almost center of deck is a joke.

Do I need to say more?

 

[dbc]

Casino ship is better than impotent ship like CVN USS Gerald Ford.

Hey Beastie can you send Liaoning to the US? please I want play some craps..

 

[Beast]

Hey Beastie can you send Liaoning to the US? please I want play some craps..

We are not warmonger like american sending aircraft carrier to other people's playground and still got cheek to call other a threat.

Go fix you white elephant gerald ford first.

We wouldn't want to embarrass you with our Type003 aircraft carrier operational earlier than your white elephant.

 

[aziqbal]

Why are u sidetracking from his point? He is claiming China can easily sunk those UK carrier if near our playground. What does it got to do with asking proof for us going to your playground for a fight? Are you trying to avoid to talk about some deficiency of Royal Navy?

Are you trying to say China can win over USN easily if near hawaii? If not, why u think Royal Navy can win in SCS over China.

Stop trolling and give me a source like I gave you a source, a governmental source

Every time I try and engage fanboys they run for the hills for cover

Now is your chance before you are humiliated again

UK carrier in last 12 months has done more sea miles than CV-16 has done in last 10 years

So give me source that gives the deployment days at sea + miles covered for CV-16

If you cannot say don’t troll

 

[Beast]

Stop trolling and give me a source like I gave you a source, a governmental source

Every time I try and engage fanboys they run for the hills for cover

Now is your chance before you are humiliated again

UK carrier in last 12 months has done more sea miles than CV-16 has done in last 10 years

So give me source that gives the deployment days at sea + miles covered for CV-16

If you cannot say don’t troll

Please stop trolling and give me proof RN with water leaking carrier can win PLAN in SCS... You must be embarrassed to talk about that, right?

 

[LeGenD]

But you can not explain why? can you? I can prove otherwise with none other than Chinese and Russian references.

They have transformed Liaoning into a functioning aircraft carrier with new sensor systems and roughly 65000 tons displacement in recent years.

https://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/varyag.htm

https://twitter.com/x/status/999876203531010048

Watch China aircraft carrier pilots complete first night missions

China is seen as striving to overtake the U.S. as the dominant naval power in Asia and already boasts the world’s largest navy in terms of number of vessels.

www.defensenews.com

 

[grey boy 2]

It’s Time to Talk About J-15, China’s First Carrierborne Fighter

Rumors of the J-15’s unreliability have been greatly exaggerated.

thediplomat.com

 

[aziqbal]

Please stop trolling and give me proof RN with water leaking carrier can win PLAN in SCS... You must be embarrassed to talk about that, right?

It’s a leak on a non commissioned it happens all the time and it was fixed no issue

So basically you have no answer

This is why UK can send carrier to South China Sea but China can never send it’s carrier to UK

 

[Surya 1]

They have transformed Liaoning into a functioning aircraft carrier with new sensor systems and roughly 65000 tons displacement in recent years.

https://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/varyag.htm

https://twitter.com/x/status/999876203531010048

Watch China aircraft carrier pilots complete first night missions

China is seen as striving to overtake the U.S. as the dominant naval power in Asia and already boasts the world’s largest navy in terms of number of vessels.

www.defensenews.com

Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter


In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of the carrier-borne J-15 Flying Shark as nothing more than a “flopping fish.”
On Sept. 22, the state-controlled China Daily Times reported the new aircraft carrier Liaoning had just finished a three-month voyage and conducted over 100 sorties of “various aircraft,” of which the J-15 “took off and landed on the carrier with maximum load and various weapons.” This report was also carried on the official Liberation Army Daily.
Contradicting any report by official military or government media is unusual in China given state control of the media.
What sounded more like a rant than analysis, SMN, on Sept. 23, reported the new J-15 was incapable of flying from the Liaoning with heavy weapons, “effectively crippling its attack range and firepower.”
The fighter can take off and land on the carrier with two YJ-83K anti-ship missiles, two PL-8 air-to-air missiles, and four 500-kilogram bombs. But a weapons “load exceeding 12 tons will not get it off the carrier’s ski jump ramp.” This might prohibit it from carrying heavier munitions such as PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles.
To further complicate things, the J-15 can carry only two tons of weapons while fully fueled. “This would equip it with no more than two YJ-83K and two PL-8 missiles,” thus the “range of the YJ-83K prepared for the fighter will be shorter than comparable YJ-83K missiles launched from larger PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] vessels. The J-15 will be boxed into less than 120 [kilometers] of attack range.”
Losing the ability to carry the PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles will make the J-15 an “unlikely match” against other foreign carrier-based fighters.
“Even the Vietnam People’s Air Force can outmatch the PL-8 short-range missile. Without space for an electronic countermeasure pod, a huge number of J-15s must be mobilized for even simple missions, a waste for the PLA Navy in using the precious space aboard its sole aircraft carrier in service.”
Built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, the J-15 is a copy of the Russian-made Su-33. China acquired an Su-33 prototype from the Ukraine in 2001. Avionics are most likely the same as the J-11B (Su-27). In 2006, Russia accused China of reverse engineering the Su-27 and canceled a production license to build 200 Su-27s after only 95 aircraft had been built.
Vasily Kashin, a China military specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, suggests the J-15 might be a better aircraft than the Su-33. “I think that there might be some improvements because electronic equipment now weighs less than in the 1990s,” he said. It could also be lighter due to new composites that China is using on the J-11B that were not available on the original Su-33.
Despite improvements, Kashin wonders why the Chinese bothered with the Su-33 given the fact that Russia gave up on it. Weight problems and other issues forced the Russians to develop the MiG-29K, which has better power-to-weight ratio and can carry more weapons. “Of course, when the Chinese get their future carriers equipped with catapults, that limitation will not apply and they will be able to fully realize Su-33/J-15 potential — huge range and good payload,” Kashin said.
The Liaoning is the problem. The carrier is small — 53,000 tons — and uses a ski jump. From Russia’s experience, “taking off from the carrier with takeoff weight exceeding some 26 tons is very difficult,” Kashin said.
A possible answer is that it was unable to take off with both. “The article says that it can only carry ‘two tons’ of missiles and munitions when fully fueled, which is 4,400 pounds, and two YJ-83s plus two PL-8s would weigh over 4,000 pounds, leaving no margin for any PL-12s. But I don’t see why it couldn’t take off with PL-12s if it wasn’t carrying YJ-83s.” Cliff concludes that the J-15 should be capable of carrying PL-12s when it is flying purely air-to-air missions and that “it probably just can’t carry PL-12s when it is flying a strike mission.”
Kashin said the J-15, unlike the Su-33, should have a “potent” internal countermeasures suite, thus allowing for more space for weapons. The SMN report suggests it has an external electronic countermeasures (ECM) pod.
Weight issues should also not be too much of a problem for the J-15, he said, since the Su-33 did fly from the same type of carrier carrying “6-8 air-to-air missiles and Sorbtsia ECM pods carrying something like 6 to 6.5 tons of fuel.”
China’s next carriers will reportedly use electromagnetic catapults, Kashin said, but “limitations are significant when it comes to air-to-surface weapons, which limit the J-15’s use as a multirole fighter.

Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter

In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of ...

miragec14.blogspot.com

The article is a bit longer. Read it carefully. It narates how substandard aircraft J15 are.

 

[Beast]

It’s a leak on a non commissioned it happens all the time and it was fixed no issue

So basically you have no answer

This is why UK can send carrier to South China Sea but China can never send it’s carrier to UK

Nonsense. There is no such thing called all the time. Not with most ship commission. Even for merchant ship suffer a leak during sea trial is a big embarrassment. Leak during sea trial for any ship build in China are very rare especially for an important ship like aircraft carrier.

Maybe that is your UK shipbuilding standard to have leak is common even during sea trial.

Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter


In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of the carrier-borne J-15 Flying Shark as nothing more than a “flopping fish.”
On Sept. 22, the state-controlled China Daily Times reported the new aircraft carrier Liaoning had just finished a three-month voyage and conducted over 100 sorties of “various aircraft,” of which the J-15 “took off and landed on the carrier with maximum load and various weapons.” This report was also carried on the official Liberation Army Daily.
Contradicting any report by official military or government media is unusual in China given state control of the media.
What sounded more like a rant than analysis, SMN, on Sept. 23, reported the new J-15 was incapable of flying from the Liaoning with heavy weapons, “effectively crippling its attack range and firepower.”
The fighter can take off and land on the carrier with two YJ-83K anti-ship missiles, two PL-8 air-to-air missiles, and four 500-kilogram bombs. But a weapons “load exceeding 12 tons will not get it off the carrier’s ski jump ramp.” This might prohibit it from carrying heavier munitions such as PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles.
To further complicate things, the J-15 can carry only two tons of weapons while fully fueled. “This would equip it with no more than two YJ-83K and two PL-8 missiles,” thus the “range of the YJ-83K prepared for the fighter will be shorter than comparable YJ-83K missiles launched from larger PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] vessels. The J-15 will be boxed into less than 120 [kilometers] of attack range.”
Losing the ability to carry the PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles will make the J-15 an “unlikely match” against other foreign carrier-based fighters.
“Even the Vietnam People’s Air Force can outmatch the PL-8 short-range missile. Without space for an electronic countermeasure pod, a huge number of J-15s must be mobilized for even simple missions, a waste for the PLA Navy in using the precious space aboard its sole aircraft carrier in service.”
Built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, the J-15 is a copy of the Russian-made Su-33. China acquired an Su-33 prototype from the Ukraine in 2001. Avionics are most likely the same as the J-11B (Su-27). In 2006, Russia accused China of reverse engineering the Su-27 and canceled a production license to build 200 Su-27s after only 95 aircraft had been built.
Vasily Kashin, a China military specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, suggests the J-15 might be a better aircraft than the Su-33. “I think that there might be some improvements because electronic equipment now weighs less than in the 1990s,” he said. It could also be lighter due to new composites that China is using on the J-11B that were not available on the original Su-33.
Despite improvements, Kashin wonders why the Chinese bothered with the Su-33 given the fact that Russia gave up on it. Weight problems and other issues forced the Russians to develop the MiG-29K, which has better power-to-weight ratio and can carry more weapons. “Of course, when the Chinese get their future carriers equipped with catapults, that limitation will not apply and they will be able to fully realize Su-33/J-15 potential — huge range and good payload,” Kashin said.
The Liaoning is the problem. The carrier is small — 53,000 tons — and uses a ski jump. From Russia’s experience, “taking off from the carrier with takeoff weight exceeding some 26 tons is very difficult,” Kashin said.
A possible answer is that it was unable to take off with both. “The article says that it can only carry ‘two tons’ of missiles and munitions when fully fueled, which is 4,400 pounds, and two YJ-83s plus two PL-8s would weigh over 4,000 pounds, leaving no margin for any PL-12s. But I don’t see why it couldn’t take off with PL-12s if it wasn’t carrying YJ-83s.” Cliff concludes that the J-15 should be capable of carrying PL-12s when it is flying purely air-to-air missions and that “it probably just can’t carry PL-12s when it is flying a strike mission.”
Kashin said the J-15, unlike the Su-33, should have a “potent” internal countermeasures suite, thus allowing for more space for weapons. The SMN report suggests it has an external electronic countermeasures (ECM) pod.
Weight issues should also not be too much of a problem for the J-15, he said, since the Su-33 did fly from the same type of carrier carrying “6-8 air-to-air missiles and Sorbtsia ECM pods carrying something like 6 to 6.5 tons of fuel.”
China’s next carriers will reportedly use electromagnetic catapults, Kashin said, but “limitations are significant when it comes to air-to-surface weapons, which limit the J-15’s use as a multirole fighter.

Chinese Media Takes Aim at J-15 Fighter

In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of ...

miragec14.blogspot.com

The article is a bit longer. Read it carefully. It narates how substandard aircraft J15 are.

Are you sure using a random blogger comment as proof? You sounds desperate.

 

[aziqbal]

Nonsense. There is no such thing called all the time. Not with most ship commission. Even for merchant ship suffer a leak during sea trial is a big embarrassment. Leak during sea trial for any ship build in China are very rare especially for an important ship like aircraft carrier.

Maybe that is your UK shipbuilding standard to have leak is common even during sea trial.

Yes and Chinese casino carrier never left more than 200 miles from mainland because Chinese don’t trust the ship and have zero confidence and trust their deployments

 

[Daniel808]

Lioning is a junk aircraft carrier unfit for any operation. Its engine had failed way back. J 15 which operates from Lioning are worst carrier fighter as per Chinese media itself.

Junk? What's your Vikramaditya AC then..stone age ship?


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