China’s J 10 vs French Rafale - Which would win?

[Hamza913]

My beautiful girl would kill them both

 

[Foinikas]

J10 will always have a BVR advantage but it will be only when it's airborne...... So how to Stop it it from being airborne.... A single solution..... BRAHMOS...... Preempt the bases with crazy BRAHMOS before those J10 or F16s take off...... Problem solved.....

You Indians and your BRAHMOS! It's like...the solution to everything!

JF-17s? Brahmos! Pakistan Navy? Brahmos! Cricket finals? Brahmos! Poverty in Uttar Pradesh? Brahmos!

 

[Germanpeter]

The better pilot

 

[vishwambhar]

You Indians and your BRAHMOS! It's like...the solution to everything!

JF-17s? Brahmos! Pakistan Navy? Brahmos! Cricket finals? Brahmos! Poverty in Uttar Pradesh? Brahmos!

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Yes for India BRAHMOS is solution for everything.....

ISKA NAAM SUNTE HI MAATHE PE PASINE AA JATE HAIN AUR PAIR KAPKAPANE LAGTE HAI...... it's known as BRAHMOS BLACKMAIL [\B]

we have this beast now in all forms land attack, naval attack and Ariel attack.....

 

[Syed_Adeel]

This is not about 'comparison' but about showing Chinese superiority.

Its your PoV dear. the thread is for comparison, any one may pick its favorite side though (Chinese in case of Pakistanis)

 

[Abid123]

What even makes you say that?

More combat experience(feb 2019)

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Naa wait for PAF to prove it as it did for F-16 vs SU-30.

That's an unfair fight.

Indians will lose even with F-22

 

[Foinikas]

More combat experience(feb 2019)

How much did their experience help them in 2019?

 

[Goritoes]

Comparison for two top of the line jets is stupid because no one except top tier leadership and pilots have actual information on the configuration of the jet itself, what it has and what it's capable of, when time for battle comes, thing will depends of support aircrafts , EW package , pilot training , how the Pilot can control his nerves , SAM's, AAM , Strategy etc. Indians have been boosting that their Airforce is top notch and PAF is nothing but a poor countries failed AF, and in 2019 the world witness the humiliation of IAF, they literally had to made up a lie to fool their nation and hide their embarrassment.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Two things which could be vital in a combat are in favour of J 10. Speed 2.1 mach comapred to 1.8 by Rafa.
Second the BVR missiles, 180 miles compared to 129 miles by Rafa.
So based on BVR alone, J 10 can potentially shoot down Rafa before it sees the J 10.

PL-15E has range of 145 km. Not 180 miles and by the way where you get 180 miles figure? That would be more than 300 km, PLAAF version has range of only 200 km

And top speed doesn't matter in real combat but acceleration and agility matter most

 

[White and Green with M/S]

J10 will always have a BVR advantage but it will be only when it's airborne...... So how to Stop it it from being airborne.... A single solution..... BRAHMOS...... Preempt the bases with crazy BRAHMOS before those J10 or F16s take off...... Problem solved.....

We have HQ-16/LY-80 to intercept your Vedic BRAHMOUSE

Yes for India BRAHMOS is solution for everything.....

ISKA NAAM SUNTE HI MAATHE PE PASINE AA JATE HAIN AUR PAIR KAPKAPANE LAGTE HAI...... it's known as BRAHMOS BLACKMAIL [\B]

we have this beast now in all forms land attack, naval attack and Ariel attack.....

LOL BRAHMOUSE BRAHMOUSE BRAHMOUSE

IT'S NOT INVINCIBLE/INVISIBLE MISSILE AND IT CAN BE COUNTERED EASILY THROUGH SHORT TO MEDIUM RANGE SAMs

 

[Kaleem.61]

We know what Rawfail is but you don't know what J10C is!!!!

Do you know the price tags?

Roughly J10 is 30 to 40 Million and Lolfail is 120 140 million a piece

So, J10 is much better in this aspect with almost no difference in specs!

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Yes for India BRAHMOS is solution for everything.....

ISKA NAAM SUNTE HI MAATHE PE PASINE AA JATE HAIN AUR PAIR KAPKAPANE LAGTE HAI...... it's known as BRAHMOS BLACKMAIL [\B]

we have this beast now in all forms land attack, naval attack and Ariel attack.....

he is a Greek, he doesnt understand Urdu.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

How much did their experience help them in 2019?

no the point being, and this will need some understanding from yr end is that the French experience from the past 30,40 years has been in Africa, or in Asia. Eg in Sahel, Libya or against DAESH, Taliban in Afghanistan and Iraq. These people never had an airforce nor had much of the Air defense capability. At best there French AF had been doing Air to Ground ops. From Strategic to tactical to CAS, the close air support.

So the experience that they got in the past 40 years has been only one dimensional only air to ground. This BTW is the problem with PAF too, their main exp is also of years of air to ground ops if u minus this limited engagement in 2019. The last Air to air proper war kill PAF scored was back in 1980s against the Soviat Airforce who used to violate our air space in Soviat Afghan war. And that was against those fighters who were strike fighters mostly ie they cant shoot back.

The only REAL air to air engagement PAF had was back in 1974 (that im aware of) was of while flying the Syrian airforce mig21F13 against a Mirage IIICJ of Israeli AF. And if we look back even from this, the next engagement they had was back in 1971 war with india.

Now look at French Airforce and their experience. They only joined NATO even in 2009....Before that they only had limited war exp and was mostly related to the Africa. And when was the last time u heard a French pilot of French Airforce flying and shooting down an enemy jet fighter in a proper air to air engagement or in a war? WW2 maybe?? if im not wrong?

So when we say that French have no real air to air exp, what we mean is this modern warfare, Modern warfare of C4ISTAR, JSTAR, of Satellite ISR, of network warfare, electro optical warfare, where these force multipliers like tankers, ISR platforms, EW aircraft, AWACS etc etc are involved? Like they were involved in op. swift retort in 2019.

That op was, even though was of limited engagement gave a view to the world not just us to how the modern warfare looks like or would look and how it would be fought, where yr COMMS will be jammed, yr Datalink will be jammed etc etc

That is why i believe that French exp is being reflected in these Rafales too. It is very good in air to ground ops. Its SCALP missile coupled with its low flying stealth capability etc. And that frankly is a matter of concern to us in Pak as well. But its SPECTRA system, its Meteor missile, its HOBS capability or sensors for air to air engagements remain untested in a real battlefield in modern warfare ie for the purpose these SPECTRA type systems or that meteor, these all integrated system were build for.

Its real capability for which Airforces buy it remain untested. All we have seen abt it is in exercises only but not in real battle. Same is true for J10 and JF17 too. Even though JF17 was used to bomb indian targets in op swift retort. And its PL5EII has shot down an Iranian Drone too in the past. But its SD10 BVR missile and now PL15 missile remain untested. Same is for its radar, sensors, EW systems etc for air to air modern warfare.

That is a major point that a lot of people in the world who r buying these modern jets like Rafale are missing. While PAF and IAF has exp. Even if thats limited, but its still some thing regardless of who won that engagement or who lost. But they still have a taste of modern warfare which not many Airforces in the modern world have, infect none have it.

 

[S10]

Everyone, just say the Chinese jet will win.

Of course not! India is SUPAPAWA NUMBA ONE!

J-10 is no match for 56" chest.