China's foreign trade for 2018 already exceeds 2017, jumping 15%

[Viva_Viet]

USA should have exported more B phones to China so that China can have less surplus.
@Viet @jhungary All overseas Viets pls lobby for a bigger share of B phone export from Trump Land to China.

True.US should make a gun named B phone and sell to CN. CN companies like Tencent surely will buy it cos Tencent support Trump's tariff now.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

True.US should make a gun named B phone and sell to CN. CN companies like Tencent surely will buy it cos Tencent support Trump's tariff now.

Trump's tariff mostly hurts the private enterprises in China, because all those private enterprises are subjected to the US export.

China's SOE don't need the US market at all, meanwhile all SOE were also completely banned from accessing to the US market.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

My friend, do uunderstand well abt US capitalist system ?? US always try to create a threat even its fake ( mass destruction weapon in Iraq, ditactor regime in Syria etc) to bring chaos and sell weapons.

Countries don't just collapse, as long as the system is still producing goods and services.Thats true, thats why Trump impose tariff 10% on Cnese goods to destroy CN manufacturing and service, and threaten to 25% if Xi dont surrender and buy what Trump tell Xi to buy.

And after Xi begged for mercy from Trump, he got 90days to show his loyalty to Trump.Remember that its Xi who beg for negotiation,not Trump

No one is your little VN freind!
Master little VN
South China Sea Conflit

Date 14 March 1988
Chigua Reef
Territorial changes:
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Casualties and losses
China 0 killed =VS= Vietnam 64 killed
China 1 wounded =VS= Vietnam 11 wounded
China 0 captured =VS= Vietnam 9 captured
China 0 armed transporters sunk =VS= Vietnam 2 armed transporters sunk
China 0 landing craft destroyed =VS= Vietnam 1 landing craft destroyed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chinese_domination_of_Vietnam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chinese_domination_of_Vietnam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Chinese_domination_of_Vietnam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Chinese_domination_of_Vietnam

 

[TaiShang]

Nov. figures offer cheer for manufacturing

China Daily, December 4, 2018

Manufacturing activities in China witnessed better-than-expected growth in November, according to the latest survey by Caixin, adding some promising signs to the economy although downward pressure persists.

Technicians work at an intelligent machinery manufacturing company in Qian'an, Hebei province. [Photo/Xinhua]
Analysts expected more easing measures to be rolled out early next year to boost the manufacturing sector.

Buoyed by a recovery in domestic demand, the purchasing managers index accelerated to 50.2 in November from 50.1 in the previous month, exceeding market expectations of a reading of 50.1, according to the private survey on Monday.

The reading stood above the boom-or-bust line of 50 that separates expansion from contraction.

The indicator reflects a slightly different scenario compared to official data released earlier last week, as the manufacturing PMI for November stood at 50, which was 0.2 percentage points lower than that of October, according to the National Bureau of Statistics.

The sub-index measuring new orders edged up slightly to 50.9 in November from 50.4 in the previous month, indicating mild recovery, while the output prices sub-index fell to 49.8 in November, suggesting downward pressure for profit gains, according to Caixin data.

"A rebound of the new order sub index reflects recovery on the demand side, which may have been boosted by the recent policy to support the private sector. New exports orders, which extended their decline in November, showed that exports have been undermined by trade friction," Zhong Zhengsheng, director of macroeconomic analysis at CEBM Group, wrote in a research note.

While a negative impact on investment sentiment by external challenges may be sustained into early next year, more supportive measures to boost the economy will be helpful to cushion downward risks, according to analysts.

Cheng Shi, chief economist of ICBC International, said the manufacturing sector, which has played a key role to help stabilize the economy in 2018, may face risks in the year ahead, clouded by uncertainties globally.

Some supply-side measures, such as tax cut policies, may help the sector to achieve high-quality growth after policies come into effect, he said.

The value-added tax reforms, where tax applied to enterprises in the manufacturing sector may be reduced from 16 percent to 14 percent, will reduce tax revenues by at least 1 trillion yuan ($145.1 billion), according to Cheng.

Amid some worrying signs that economic expansion may be muted in the fourth quarter, the central government made a number of announcements earlier this year to stabilize growth and pledged to improve market regulation to ensure a fair business environment.

http://www.china.org.cn/business/2018-12/04/content_74237926.htm

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Come over to Mainland to see for yourself, my friend @Viva_Viet . You are just across the border. It is more of a nuisance for me to suffer airports all the time I go to Mainland, you can just hop a train, my friend, and in Mainland you are!

 

[Han Patriot]

My friend, do uunderstand well abt US capitalist system ?? US always try to create a threat even its fake ( mass destruction weapon in Iraq, ditactor regime in Syria etc) to bring chaos and sell weapons.

What has capitalism got to do with threat perception genius? China is capitalistic and authoritarian. It seems you do not understand the difference between geopolitical considerations and economic relations. China might be part of the American led capitalistic system, but she protects her geopolitical interests. Japan on the OTOH is different, they are an American whore, they do not have an independent geopolitical agenda. Doesn't matter if it's Iraq or Syria, both of them do not have an aligned geopolitical stand with US, that's why they are a 'threat', which again reinforces my point, you are only a 'threat' if you have an independent geopolitical agenda. Understand? So your notion that we had been licking their asses do not make sense. =)

Countries don't just collapse, as long as the system is still producing goods and services.Thats true, thats why Trump impose tariff 10% on Cnese goods to destroy CN manufacturing and service, and threaten to 25% if Xi dont surrender and buy what Trump tell Xi to buy.

Imposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base boy. Firstly, you need to check how much exports contribute to the economy. Then you need to understand the size of the domestic market. It might get affected with some reduced output, it will never get destroyed. Understand? If this could be done, don't you think US would have done it long ago? The fact is there is only drama, hot air and fart, the world is Chimerica. You need to study the interdependence between these two economies.

And after Xi begged for mercy from Trump, he got 90days to show his loyalty to Trump.Remember that its Xi who beg for negotiation,not Trump

Begged? You seem to forget Trump was the one initiating to talk to China, not the other way round. Lest you forget, China has also got US by it's balls, soybeans, wheat, and other farm produce are rotting as we speak due to Chinese tariffs. It might just be a few dozen billions, but these mid-western states are Trump's votebank. You get what I mean? The question is why Trump is giving 90 days? Why the delay, why not demand it straightaway? Did China agree to anything? Read that CNN article. China is just delaying it until Trump faces domestic pressure. This is a game for the big boys, small boys will just get whipped in between this tussle.

True.US should make a gun named B phone and sell to CN. CN companies like Tencent surely will buy it cos Tencent support Trump's tariff now.

You know what's the difference between your industrial base and ours? Barring foreign companies, we own most of the core technology. We can make the whole phone from screen to processor domestically, your BPHONE is nothing but an assembled phone using Chinese components. =)

 

[Viva_Viet]

What has capitalism got to do with threat perception genius? China is capitalistic and authoritarian. It seems you do not understand the difference between geopolitical considerations and economic relations. China might be part of the American led capitalistic system, but she protects her geopolitical interests. Japan on the OTOH is different, they are an American whore, they do not have an independent geopolitical agenda. Doesn't matter if it's Iraq or Syria, both of them do not have an aligned geopolitical stand with US, that's why they are a 'threat', which again reinforces my point, you are only a 'threat' if you have an independent geopolitical agenda. Understand? So your notion that we had been licking their asses do not make sense. =)

capitalism mean enslave people and loot poor ppl's money to get rich, thats the reason why US always create a threat to loot money from other countries.

Let me copy my post again. Do u know anything abt Lenin NEP ??

CN ideology is “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, its a copy of Lenin new economy policy( NEP) that allowed private sector to run bussiness under Govt control. But as u said, the bourgeoisie always tend to favour the West, thats why after Lenin died, his NEP also gone cos Soviet Govt. couldnt control the private sector. Lenin NEP only appled in short time, thats why many ppl dont know abt it.

Same problem for CN after copying Lenin NEP now. Private companies like Tencent feel unfair when competing wt state owned enteprises and surprisingly, Tencent secretly support Trump's tariff to weaken state owned enteprises ( and may overthrow Xi in near future wt US's support )
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jack...ist-party-member.588897/page-10#post-10991533

Imposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base boy. Firstly, you need to check how much exports contribute to the economy. Then you need to understand the size of the domestic market. It might get affected with some reduced output, it will never get destroyed. Understand? If this could be done, don't you think US would have done it long ago? The fact is there is only drama, hot air and fart, the world is Chimerica. You need to study the interdependence between these two economies.

Imposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base. True, thats why Trump raise to 25 % , thats why Xi has to beg for negotiation

Begged? You seem to forget Trump was the one initiating to talk to China, not the other way round. Lest you forget, China has also got US by it's balls, soybeans, wheat, and other farm produce are rotting as we speak due to Chinese tariffs. It might just be a few dozen billions, but these mid-western states are Trump's votebank. You get what I mean? The question is why Trump is giving 90 days? Why the delay, why not demand it straightaway? Did China agree to anything? Read that CNN article. China is just delaying it until Trump faces domestic pressure. This is a game for the big boys, small boys will just get whipped in between this tussle.

China makes opening bid to US on trade ahead of Trump-Xi meeting
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/15/politics/us-china-trade-war-negotiation/index.html

Farm produce loss is the casualty of war. US also lost thousands men in Iraq, Syria and she just dont care abt those dead men as long as US Wall st boss can get the final victory

90 days delay to see if Xi will show his loyalty to Trump or not. If Xi obey what Trump tell him, then no need more tariff, US will win without anymore loss, thats it

Trump's tariff mostly hurts the private enterprises in China, because all those private enterprises are subjected to the US export.

China's SOE don't need the US market at all, meanwhile all SOE were also completely banned from accessing to the US market.

Same problem for CN after copying Lenin NEP now. The bourgeoisie always tend to favour the West, thats why after Lenin died, his NEP also gone cos Soviet Govt. couldnt control the private sector

U see, CN is not smarter than Soviet, u think private sector will help CN to get richer and stronger ?? Wrong, they always support the West and they will overthrow the regime when they r strong enough.

Tencent is very popular in CN, if XI try to kill Tencent to protect his throne, then Im sure that CN economy will go down much deeper. but Xi dont kill tencent, then once day, tencent will get support from US to kill Xi

 

[Han Patriot]

Let me copy my post again. Do u know anything abt Lenin NEP ??

CN ideology is “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, its a copy of Lenin new economy policy( NEP) that allowed private sector to run bussiness under Govt control. But as u said, the bourgeoisie always tend to favour the West, thats why after Lenin died, his NEP also gone cos Soviet Govt. couldnt control the private sector. Lenin NEP only appled in short time, thats why many ppl dont know abt it.

Same problem for CN after copying Lenin NEP now. Private companies like Tencent feel unfair when competing wt state owned enteprises and surprisingly, Tencent secretly support Trump's tariff to weaken state owned enteprises ( and may overthrow Xi in near future wt US's support )
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jack...ist-party-member.588897/page-10#post-10991533

Erm did you mention Lenin in your first post? So what is there to copy? Where is the copied portion? hahaha. Anyway back to the topic, Chinese system is a copy? Since when it is original? Since when is capitalism and socialism a Chinese invention? We had to do what was necessary, the economy was crumbling, we had to 'adapt'. Unlike the ideologue Russians, they went for either capitalism or socialism, both extremes. China found a new system, 'gradualism' which is basically just common sense. Open up a portion of your economy to private competition, foreign competition , test out these in small areas (SEZs). Retain control of certain strategic industries like power, telecoms, etc. Protect and nurture your private/SOE players with controlled foreign competition, using some form of TOT, tariffs, market access, government contracts, etc. After 20-30 years when the tech, management and revenue matures, force them to go global and compete with everyone. This is what happened with Huawei, ZTE, ZPMC, HAIER, LENOVO, etc. They were nurtured and semi protected in the beginning so they could grow, but China cannot provide them all the comforts and protect them completely, they need stimulation, some competition from foreign companies. China invented nothing, they are just naturally born adaptive people with common sense if given the right leadership. 'GRADUALISM', study this Chinese concept.

Tencent supporting tarrifs? Tencent is a product of the very Chinese system genius. If it's a secret, how do you know it? Secretly? hahaha

Imposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base. True, thats why Trump raise to 25 % , thats why Xi has to beg for negotiation

Hahaha, even 100% will not destroy our industrial base. I told you to check the statistics. Use some common sense. Did Xi beg for negotiation? Please provide some evidence my friend.

And you think China will not retaliate? China is already imposing tariff on alot of US goods, it is hurting them too. Trade war is never good for either side and sooner or later both parties will need to resolve it. Stop dreaming about destroying Chinese industrial base, we trade with the world, US is but one of the markets, and guess what, we are the largest market for many sectors. You think US INC. is willing to get shut out of it? =).

China makes opening bid to US on trade ahead of Trump-Xi meeting
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/15/politics/us-china-trade-war-negotiation/index.html

Farm produce loss is the casualty of war. US also lost thousands men in Iraq, Syria and she just dont care abt those dead men as long as US Wall st boss can get the final victory

90 days delay to see if Xi will show his loyalty to Trump or not. If Xi obey what Trump tell him, then no need more tariff, US will win without anymore loss, thats it

Opening bid? From CNN? Gosh how naive, the same outlet is saying China gave nothing. Anything in black and white yet? Don't you know the art of negotiation, talk and talk and delay. A few more years Trump is gone. =)

US is a democratic country, votes means more than dead soldiers genius. Get this into your head. 90 days delay? It's a drama for gods sake. It's like a bully saying, you don't come closer OK, if you come closer, I am gonna hit you, I am counting to 20. hahahaha

U see, CN is not smarter than Soviet, u think private sector will help CN to get richer and stronger ?? Wrong, they always support the West and they will overthrow the regime when they r strong enough.

Tencent is very popular in CN, if XI try to kill Tencent to protect his throne, then Im sure that CN economy will go down much deeper. but Xi dont kill tencent, then once day, tencent will get support from US to kill Xi

Whether we are smarter, I can't judge, the fact remains China is alive and kicking, the country is thriving. Compare this to the Soviet successor state Russia. Yes, I believe both well managed private sector and SOEs will help us get strong and rich, it already has, China is roughly 50% private. SOEs must control certain strategic industries with guaranteed profits like oil/gas, telecoms, etc. Some sort of foreign and private competition can be introduced to stimulate the market and reduce monopolistic tendencies. SOEs should also compete among themselves for the benefit of the country. The private sector is already very powerful in certain sectors in China, why do you think they will overthrow the very same regime who nurtured them? if the regime is under-performing, improve it, join them and make it better like Jack Ma. You are still living in Soviet era thinking the Chinese Communist/Nationalist Party is not adapting, changing learning and improving.

CCP is killing TENCENT? If they want to kill them, they will just enact a law for takeover and change the management. Why kill the goose who lays the golden egg, just kill the farmer. =)

capitalism mean enslave people and loot poor ppl's money to get rich, thats the reason why US always create a threat to loot money from other countries.

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Now, this pretty much sums up your mental capacity. . I rest my case. I hope Vietnam is run by you.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Fentanyl is not a problem? You are definitely ignorant, or in denial. I know how much denial some other Chinese members gave me about Myanmar genocide thread. smh.

Hypocrisy at its most. Your words just give us an excellent example of denial.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Erm did you mention Lenin in your first post? So what is there to copy? Where is the copied portion? hahaha. Anyway back to the topic, Chinese system is a copy? Since when it is original? Since when is capitalism and socialism a Chinese invention? We had to do what was necessary, the economy was crumbling, we had to 'adapt'. Unlike the ideologue Russians, they went for either capitalism or socialism, both extremes. China found a new system, 'gradualism' which is basically just common sense. Open up a portion of your economy to private competition, foreign competition , test out these in small areas (SEZs). Retain control of certain strategic industries like power, telecoms, etc. Protect and nurture your private/SOE players with controlled foreign competition, using some form of TOT, tariffs, market access, government contracts, etc. After 20-30 years when the tech, management and revenue matures, force them to go global and compete with everyone. This is what happened with Huawei, ZTE, ZPMC, HAIER, LENOVO, etc. They were nurtured and semi protected in the beginning so they could grow, but China cannot provide them all the comforts and protect them completely, they need stimulation, some competition from foreign companies. China invented nothing, they are just naturally born adaptive people with common sense if given the right leadership. 'GRADUALISM', study this Chinese concept.

Tencent supporting tarrifs? Tencent is a product of the very Chinese system genius. If it's a secret, how do you know it? Secretly? hahaha

Haha, okay, whatever CN system u said, thats actually is just a copy from Lenin NEP. We see almost No different (SOE control the important sector, private companies make money for the country etc). And Bsc CN copy Lenin NEP, so CN will collapse like Soviet , thats tragedy , bro

Abt tencent, pls read again.

As a result, reformers hope Trump may prove to be an external catalyst for change. If the U.S. president can move the Chinese leadership by wielding the blunt instrument of higher tariffs, the thinking goes, it might spur market openings that party officials would otherwise prefer to avoid. That in turn could help private companies to compete more effectively, especially with state-owned enterprises.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jack...ist-party-member.588897/page-10#post-10991533

Hahaha, even 100% will not destroy our industrial base. I told you to check the statistics. Use some common sense. Did Xi beg for negotiation? Please provide some evidence my friend.

And you think China will not retaliate? China is already imposing tariff on alot of US goods, it is hurting them too. Trade war is never good for either side and sooner or later both parties will need to resolve it. Stop dreaming about destroying Chinese industrial base, we trade with the world, US is but one of the markets, and guess what, we are the largest market for many sectors. You think US INC. is willing to get shut out of it? =).

Blah blah blah, do u know why before begging for US-JP support in 1978, CN GDP merely 300USD/year while US and JP were at abt 12,000 USD/year ?? Bcs CN got 100% tarriff

Maybe CN dont die if GDP is 300 USD/year again, but thats really too bad

Opening bid? From CNN? Gosh how naive, the same outlet is saying China gave nothing. Anything in black and white yet? Don't you know the art of negotiation, talk and talk and delay. A few more years Trump is gone. =)

US is a democratic country, votes means more than dead soldiers genius. Get this into your head. 90 days delay? It's a drama for gods sake. It's like a bully saying, you don't come closer OK, if you come closer, I am gonna hit you, I am counting to 20. hahahaha



Whether we are smarter, I can't judge, the fact remains China is alive and kicking, the country is thriving. Compare this to the Soviet successor state Russia. Yes, I believe both well managed private sector and SOEs will help us get strong and rich, it already has, China is roughly 50% private. SOEs must control certain strategic industries with guaranteed profits like oil/gas, telecoms, etc. Some sort of foreign and private competition can be introduced to stimulate the market and reduce monopolistic tendencies. SOEs should also compete among themselves for the benefit of the country. The private sector is already very powerful in certain sectors in China, why do you think they will overthrow the very same regime who nurtured them? if the regime is under-performing, improve it, join them and make it better like Jack Ma. You are still living in Soviet era thinking the Chinese Communist/Nationalist Party is not adapting, changing learning and improving.

CCP is killing TENCENT? If they want to kill them, they will just enact a law for takeover and change the management. Why kill the goose who lays the golden egg, just kill the farmer. =)

talk and talk and delay. A few more years Trump is gone .haha. thats what u hope, but u should know that another US president like Obama will be even worse for CN cos he will join TPP to kill CN easier and faster. Destroying CN is the best way to sell billion of billion USD weapon to make "US great again", my friend

Abt Killing Tencent, as CN is just a copy of Lenin NEP, so u should read why Soviet had to kill its private sector first

 

[Han Patriot]

Haha, okay, whatever CN system u said, thats actually is just a copy from Lenin NEP. We see almost No different (SOE control the important sector, private companies make money for the country etc). And Bsc CN copy Lenin NEP, so CN will collapse like Soviet , thats tragedy , bro

Abt tencent, pls read again.

It is not a copy of Lenin, it is a copy, a lesson from the whole world, from Russia, from Japan, from US. China saw what was happening in Russia, saw the rise of Japan and saw the dynamism of the US. We are students of the world, we invented no system, just common sense. You can call it whatever system, it could be a white cat, a black cat, as long as it catches mice, it's a good cat. That is Chinese pragmatism, not bogged down by ideology anymore. If you want to name it, we call this Dengism Gradualism. Therefore a system with a touch of Chinese characteristic, that is pragmatism, gradualism and experimentation instead of sudden changes. Sort of Ying and Yang, gradual change for harmony. I can't predict the future, it might or might not collapse. But you are underestimating this ever changing, ever evolving system, it adapts, learns and improves like a software iteration. The only constant is change, when you stop changing, you cease to exist. Vietnam is trying to emulate this pragmatism, all the best.

Tencent? Read what? You must provide a source for your claim. Otherwise, it's just hot air also known as fart.

As a result, reformers hope Trump may prove to be an external catalyst for change. If the U.S. president can move the Chinese leadership by wielding the blunt instrument of higher tariffs, the thinking goes, it might spur market openings that party officials would otherwise prefer to avoid. That in turn could help private companies to compete more effectively, especially with state-owned enterprises.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jack...ist-party-member.588897/page-10#post-10991533

Copying and pasting a link without critical analysis and summation is just useless. What is your point exactly? You must do critical thinking instead of copypasting like a monkey.

Blah blah blah, do u know why before begging for US-JP support in 1978, CN GDP merely 300USD/year while US and JP were at abt 12,000 USD/year ?? Bcs CN got 100% tarriff

Maybe CN dont die if GDP is 300 USD/year again, but thats really too bad

Since when did we beg US-JP for support? Nixon visited us so that we can be an ally against the Soviets. They needed us to handle the Southern Viet Monkey, in return we were offered a chance to participate in the world economy. It's a win win situation. And where is JP in this equation? Apart from WWII compensations and aids, all they did was use us as a cheap manufacturing base, nothing wrong with that. I fail to see the begging element here.

Please improve your English, what 100% tariff on what items, your grammar, what you mean by 'don't die? GDP is a product of not just exports but also of the industrial/services base servicing the local market and also other markets instead of just the US. You need to get out of this myopic view that US is the only market and consumer.

talk and talk and delay. A few more years Trump is gone .haha. thats what u hope, but u should know that another US president like Obama will be even worse for CN cos he will join TPP to kill CN easier and faster. Destroying CN is the best way to sell billion of billion USD weapon to make "US great again", my friend

Abt Killing Tencent, as CN is just a copy of Lenin NEP, so u should read why Soviet had to kill its private sector first

That's what China had been doing all along, lip service for Trump, make him feel he has won, make him the star for his domestic audience. He is after voters my friend. Trump himself has got business dealings with China. Let's not be so naive shall we? Every President had a 'CHINA PLAN' for the past 30 years. We are still here.

You can't destroy China with tariffs my friend, you might reduce the growth rate, but you cannot 'DESTROY' A FIFTH OF HUMANITY commanding the world's second largest economy and also the largest market for a few sectors. If you calculate the real economy instead of the dollar paper pushing economy, China is the world's largest economy. Do you understand my viet friend. We are the only ones capable of balancing the US, competition is always good, otherwise it will be a monopoly and you Viets will get banged again by the US.

What's with this zero sum mentality? Tencent again? Dude, we don't need to destroy Tencent, we can just do a corporate takeover or tax them to shitz. it's just a stroke of pen. Change the management, what do you not understand? Tariffs have nothing to do with Tencent, do they even export anything to the US?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Copying and pasting a link without critical analysis and summation is just useless. What is your point exactly? You must do critical thinking instead of copypasting like a monkey.



Since when did we beg US-JP for support? Nixon visited us so that we can be an ally against the Soviets. They needed us to handle the Southern Viet Monkey, in return we were offered a chance to participate in the world economy. It's a win win situation. And where is JP in this equation? Apart from WWII compensations and aids, all they did was use us as a cheap manufacturing base, nothing wrong with that. I fail to see the begging element here.

Please improve your English, what 100% tariff on what items, your grammar, what you mean by 'don't die? GDP is a product of not just exports but also of the industrial/services base servicing the local market and also other markets instead of just the US. You need to get out of this myopic view that US is the only market and consumer.

haha, running mad like another online mad dogs now, my friend

Whatever u try to say, no one care, ppl see Xi beg for trade truce in 90 days and Xi must do what Trump tell Xi to do or Xi will get 25 % tariff.

Nixon didn't need usless CN, thats why he still support TW and control Cn surrounding water when offer a win-lose deal wt CN (US win-CN lose) and CN had no choice but accept it to get US's protection against Soviet threat.

And Bcs CN system just copy from Lenin NEP, so everyone can see CN will be in chaos ( in 2023 ), thats why UK-JP warships keep sailing around SCS(east VN sea) and wating for chance to get back HK-Nanjing wt help from tencent

Just sit and wait till 2023, no need to reply my post and run mad like another online mad dogs, everyone know clearly that Cnese r very coward in real life, not look "TRONK " like on internet. Abt my English, as Cnese, u should know why CN GDP per capital in 1978 merely 300 USD. Dont die mean dont collapse. I just make a short cut

 

[Han Patriot]

haha, running mad like another online mad dogs now, my friend

Whatever u try to say, no one care, ppl see Xi beg for trade truce in 90 days and Xi must do what Trump tell Xi to do or Xi will get 25 % tariff.

Wow, resorting to insults are we? =). Ppl see? Or you see? As I already explained why is there a need for 90 days? What did was the agreement? Anything signed? Can you provide a source to show what was agreed upon? The game of politics among superpowers is not just a simple I instruct you to do this, you must do this. It is all about 'interests'. What can one offer in exchange for something. You also fail to take notice of the 1 trillionUS$ US bond China is holding. The moment someone is naughty, China can cause havoc. =). It's a game of leverage. CHIMERICA! hahahaha

Nixon didn't need usless CN, thats why he still support TW and control Cn surrounding water when offer a win-lose deal wt CN (US win-CN lose) and CN had no choice but accept it to get US's protection against Soviet threat.

You still don't get it, if it was a WIN LOSE deal, why would someone agree to it? In exchange of recognizing PRC as the legitimate China and giving China the permanent UN security seat. ROC was already being sold out. The agreement with PRC was that Taiwan will be reunited peacefully instead of forcefully, hence the Chiang lobby got a breather in this regard. Taiwan was maintained as a leverage, a card to play in the future as can be seen now. If Nixon didn't need 'useless' China, why the heck he came begging on our doorsteps for an alliance? Common sense my friend, common sense. US needed China to stop helping Vietcongs, and instead attack these ungrateful Vietcong after the Sino-Soviet split. We went in, and taught Viets a good lesson, scorch the earth and returned back, while Viet monkeys hiding in the forest claimed victory after we returned home. Funny how you guys didn't defend against us in the first place.

And Bcs CN system just copy from Lenin NEP, so everyone can see CN will be in chaos ( in 2023 ), thats why UK-JP warships keep sailing around SCS(east VN sea) and wating for chance to get back HK-Nanjing wt help from tencent

Just sit and wait till 2023, no need to reply my post and run mad like another online mad dogs, everyone know clearly that Cnese r very coward in real life, not look "TRONK " like on internet. Abt my English, as Cnese, u should know why CN GDP per capital in 1978 merely 300 USD. Dont die mean dont collapse. I just make a short cut

You have such a simplistic mind, I told you we learn, copy, improvise, absorb and improve upon others. PRC is providing good governance compared to many 'democratic' countries, one good example is our neighbor to the south. Will the people demand more? Of course? They will have to change and adapt as always, provide better feedback solutions, accountability, you will be shocked how meritocratic China is compared to 'democratic' India.

Get back HK-Nanjing? What the f does that even mean dude? TRONK? We are cowards? You are the ones hiding in the forest like monkeys, why weren't you defending your cities? Sure you could claim it was guerilla tactics, but why resort to that when you are so brave? ahahahhaha

Hell, China was poor back then, but times change, countries change. The fact you tell me this makes me even prouder on how far we have come.

 

[TaiShang]

China Economy: Volume of trade in services up 11.1%


2018-12-04

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Turning to the Chinese economy. Fresh data from the Ministry of Commerce shows that China's total volume of trade in services reached 4.3 trillion yuan, or about 630 billion US dollars, in the first 10 months of 2018. That was an 11.1% increase year on year and came as exports rose 14.3% and imports climbed 9.6%. Traditional services such as tourism, transportation, and construction still make up the bulk of the trade, accounting for 64% of the total. Demand for high added value services imports also has been rising. The ministry said the trade of intellectual property has grown substantially.

LI YUAN CHINESE COMMERCE MINISTRY "Both imports and exports of intellectual property have increased. IP imports have climbed to 194.9 billion yuan. This shows the demand for intellectual property has risen and our IP protection system has been enhanced. Intellectual property is one of the key growth points so far."

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My friend, @Viva_Viet , China's exports in services is growing faster than its imports in services.

Looks like China is working harder to balance its deficit-prone trade in services.

Isn't that a sign of good economic management, especially given that we are in the midst of an economic warfare?

 

[DADY]

Well going by logic, if we are licking their asses since the 70s, then why are we even a threat? . Japan is the one licking american balls, not China. They have a rape base in Okinawa my friend...that pretty much explains everything.

Fine, we did do one American bidding by invading Vietnam. That was a mutually agreed and beneficial action though.

Gordon had been predicting chaos since 98'. Countries don't just collapse my friend, as long as the system is still producing goods and services, it will remain intact. Soviet collapsed because their economic system couldn't provide the goods and services the populace needed. You underestimate the ability of the Chinese to learn and adapt. We have been surviving for thousands of years.

Actually, China, Japan, and Vietnam are accomodating the west. None of them are independent

What has capitalism got to do with threat perception genius? China is capitalistic and authoritarian. It seems you do not understand the difference between geopolitical considerations and economic relations. China might be part of the American led capitalistic system, but she protects her geopolitical interests. Japan on the OTOH is different, they are an American whore, they do not have an independent geopolitical agenda. Doesn't matter if it's Iraq or Syria, both of them do not have an aligned geopolitical stand with US, that's why they are a 'threat', which again reinforces my point, you are only a 'threat' if you have an independent geopolitical agenda. Understand? So your notion that we had been licking their asses do not make sense. =)



Imposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base boy. Firstly, you need to check how much exports contribute to the economy. Then you need to understand the size of the domestic market. It might get affected with some reduced output, it will never get destroyed. Understand? If this could be done, don't you think US would have done it long ago? The fact is there is only drama, hot air and fart, the world is Chimerica. You need to study the interdependence between these two economies.


Begged? You seem to forget Trump was the one initiating to talk to China, not the other way round. Lest you forget, China has also got US by it's balls, soybeans, wheat, and other farm produce are rotting as we speak due to Chinese tariffs. It might just be a few dozen billions, but these mid-western states are Trump's votebank. You get what I mean? The question is why Trump is giving 90 days? Why the delay, why not demand it straightaway? Did China agree to anything? Read that CNN article. China is just delaying it until Trump faces domestic pressure. This is a game for the big boys, small boys will just get whipped in between this tussle.


You know what's the difference between your industrial base and ours? Barring foreign companies, we own most of the core technology. We can make the whole phone from screen to processor domestically, your BPHONE is nothing but an assembled phone using Chinese components. =)

I disagree that China protects its geopolitical interests. One of its "provinces" is occupied by America, and China has no intention of challenging that. China was also pushed out of Malaysia after spending billions. China's also been pushed out of Sri Lanka, and Myanmar (Myitsone). According to what my Sri Lankan friends say, Sri Lanka canceled most of the Chinese projects. China cant defend its geopolitical interests, and is more interested in protecting western geopolitical interests. During the 2014, the west started a series of riots in HK, and China couldn't do anything.

China does not have the US by the balls. The US can force others to buy their products, China can't. In fact, Taiwan recently promised to buy a lot more soy beans from the US. Another fact is, the US can ask south Korea, Australia, and anyone else to boycott Chinese 5g. However, China can't tell others to boycott American 5g. The west has the upper hand. When the US told Europe to boycott Chinese solar panels, Europe listened. Today's China has no bargaining chip.

China can only use money to buy influence, but the west can use both money and agresion to reach their goals. That's why the west will win. Besides no one is afraid of China, but everyone's afraid of the west. Fear goes a long way.

 

[Viet]

USA should have exported more B phones to China so that China can have less surplus.
@Viet @jhungary All overseas Viets pls lobby for a bigger share of B phone export from Trump Land to China.

Bphone is made in Vietnam, not America. a big Plus, the phone is 100 percent free of chinese propaganda installed software. Very cheap. Just 7 million VND.