China's " big fat target " for USN

[below_freezing]

Not a question at all. We have far more nukes than China.

US: 570 megatons
China: 294 megatons

NTI: United States - Nuclear Disarmament
NTI: China - Nuclear Disarmament

Reflects different nuclear doctrine. The US uses many small nukes because it always envisioned going on a first strike against a wide area i.e. aganst Soviet Union. China only needs to take out the top 100 US cities by population in a 2nd strike. That is just the "known" program. The US has always been saying how non-transparent and secretive China's nuclear program was. Who knows how many megatons we really have?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

One US carrier in Taiwan straight is enough.

if any miss deed from China, we will see 4-5 new countries emerging from China. Tibet is one.

A single US carrier attacking China's coast would definitely be considered as a suicidal mission.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

US: 570 megatons
China: 294 megatons

NTI: United States - Nuclear Disarmament
NTI: China - Nuclear Disarmament

Reflects different nuclear doctrine. The US uses many small nukes because it always envisioned going on a first strike against a wide area i.e. aganst Soviet Union. China only needs to take out the top 100 US cities by population in a 2nd strike. That is just the "known" program. The US has always been saying how non-transparent and secretive China's nuclear program was. Who knows how many megatons we really have?

This report is decade old, and it mostly focuses on China's land based nukes.

Not mentioning that our sea deterrence JL-2 was already deployed 4 years ago, meanwhile JL-2A was also successful in the end of the last year.

 

[anon45]

US: 570 megatons
China: 294 megatons

NTI: United States - Nuclear Disarmament
NTI: China - Nuclear Disarmament

Reflects different nuclear doctrine. The US uses many small nukes because it always envisioned going on a first strike against a wide area i.e. aganst Soviet Union. China only needs to take out the top 100 US cities by population in a 2nd strike. That is just the "known" program. The US has always been saying how non-transparent and secretive China's nuclear program was. Who knows how many megatons we really have?

Would be pointless to hide nuke numbers, it increases the chances for miscalculation on all sides and decreases the deterrant value of a nuclear deterrant. Its not going to exactly matter much to the Chinese that they actually were hiding an extra 500 nukes when impending death approaches for Chinese civilization because some country or another thought China couldn't throw as much as it actually had available. Better to have the nukes out in the open and show that the capability is there, if it truly exists. In fact I think there would be more of an incentive to make others think China has more than it actually has. After all if other countries believe you have 1000 nukes when you only have 300, you have just gained the deterrance value of 1000 at the cost of 300.

 

[gambit]

You do know DF-21D are based on mobile platforms right? Your carriers aren't the only things mobile. Locating targets is a two-way street.

You do know that all necessary sensors to make this supposedly 'carrier killer' are themselves vulnerable targets, right?

 

[mhb56]

I don't think US and China should be fighting with each other. To all of you in here, a war between the US and China mean the destruction of earth, this is not something to play with, it's a very very serious business. Back in the early 2000s, they has been intelligence running around saying that China has a weapon that only Russia and possibly the US had in their arsenal and that weapon was a "quantum base weapon system", which mean the annihilation of life form at the smallest state possible. The NSA has been trying hard to not let anybody have such weapons but it failed to do so. Currently, only China, Russia, US, EU and a very few non-nuclear arm states or entities have such weapon. BTW, that Chinese research on the weapon on question started during the same period when they blew their first atomic bomb.

 

[Swatwolf]

Honestly people tends to over exaggerate the destructive effect of nukes, Nukes cannot destroy states let alone nations, what they do is wipe out a rather large area, a worst effect of nukes would be detonating it over the atmosphere causing a huge dispersion over a wide area. If China have second strike abilities and the ability to produce nukes, no amount of USA nukes will be able to stop that coming, that is the effect of having nuke capability and deliver ability. It means that China on call is able to produce over a thousand nukes if they need, maintaining nukes can be very expensive, if people continues to exaggerate the destructive effect of nukes, they will continue to believe in the bullshit theory of first strike decapitation. Underground bunkers, and a large large area is a natural barrier to the effective use of nukes. No doubt millions of people will die from the use of nukes, and economic centers can be completely disrupted by use of nukes, but it goes both ways, it won't be the end of civilization as we know it.

 

[Akasa]

if it lives up to its hype.

but then god help you guys if you ever attack and sink an US aircraft carrier- you know those pesky other ' 20 years ahead' tech we have -- they will be unleashed ... NATO will join is- who do you have? North Korea, Iran and Pakistan? or wait - don't forget Sudan

We're not talking of Sudan, North Korea, or the like. We are talking of Russia, much of Eastern Europe, and oil vital Middle Eastern nations if the United States engages in an all out conflict on the Chinese coast.

And what makes you think that China will initiate the conflict by sinking their carrier, if that carrier is not already undergoing combat operations against China? Logic, my friend.

 

[Akasa]

i believe that China and USA will engage with each other in proxy wars on diffrent fronts of Asia and Afrika.

The most likely conflict between China and the US would be a trade war.

 

[Swatwolf]

case in point, the destructive radius of the Atomic bomb used on hiroshima was 1 miles in radius, no more, that means about 2 miles in diameter, it was exploded over a densely populated area, hence should be considered crime against humanity to this very day, the radiation effect extend by a further one mile radius, there were no crater coming from the ground because the dispersion goes mainly upwards, which means it can be destructive against ground structure through sheer kinetic force but virtually useless against underground or even hardened structures. Today a functional Neutron bomb will have no more than a 5 mile destructive radius, that is still a thousand times more than any conventional bomb can cover if you consider the total area of dispersion including the height but still wouldn't bring about total destruction of humanity. The whole idea of nuclear bombs ending human lives as we know it is bullshit.

 

[Juice]

How about Russia, much of Eastern Europe, and oil vital Middle Eastern nations?

And what makes you think that China will initiate the conflict by sinking their carrier, if that carrier is not already undergoing combat operations against China? Logic, my friend.

Russia? Lol, the skinheads there would never side with China.

 

[Swatwolf]

Russia? Lol, the skinheads there would never side with China.

Skinheads or neo nazi? Well their first target is the Jews.

 

[Swatwolf]

case in point, the destructive radius of the Atomic bomb used on hiroshima was 1 miles in radius, no more, that means about 2 miles in diameter, it was exploded over a densely populated area, hence should be considered crime against humanity to this very day, the radiation effect extend by a further one mile radius, there were no crater coming from the ground because the dispersion goes mainly upwards, which means it can be destructive against ground structure through sheer kinetic force but virtually useless against underground or even hardened structures. Today a functional Neutron bomb will have no more than a 5 mile destructive radius, that is still a thousand times more than any conventional bomb can cover if you consider the total area of dispersion including the height but still wouldn't bring about total destruction of humanity. The whole idea of nuclear bombs ending human lives as we know it is bullshit.

The effect of the first atomic bomb used was so devastating and shocking that it forced the Hirohito to surrender, and without his consent the war would have still waged on long after the bomb was dropped. It was what you call a shock and awe in the truest sense, people cannot comprehend the destructive ability of it at that time, they do not understand it.

 

[Akasa]

Russia? Lol, the skinheads there would never side with China.

More than they would not side with the country that has built missile defenses around its borders even after the Cold War ended? LOL live up your fantasy, buddy.

Losing your largest energy investor isn't something your banker can simply wave off and have a coffee about.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Russia? Lol, the skinheads there would never side with China.

Well, Russia is not our friend, but at least their leaders do share a common view with us which is to resist against the threat of the Zionist.

As long as the threat of the US Zionist is still relevant, we will not become enemy with Russia.