'China will not oppose India's UN seat bid'

[Rajaraja Chola]

We already asked India not to go along with the G4, but India turned us down.



The Hindu : News / International : “China ready to support Indian bid for UNSC”

Anway buddy, its the individual vote that concerned. China have to vote independently for the 4 nations, even if G4 jointly give the drafts for resolution.
So China can reject japan and vote for India still. The choice is there.

India will not be allowed in UNSC until atrocities in IOK are stopped... And no UNSC member will give up their seat for India, I guarantee you

Y would anyone give their seat for us? Its UNSC expansion. Whateva u say, even among muslim nations, India have support for UNSC bid

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Anway buddy, its the individual vote that concerned. China have to vote independently for the 4 nations, even if G4 jointly give the drafts for resolution.
So China can reject japan and vote for India still. The choice is there.

That's not how it works. Check the quote.

There will be one reform resolution for the UNSC, to decide the new permanent members. Not one resolution per individual country, that wouldn't make sense or even be feasible.

And any country that has bound itself to the G4 will not make it through, which is why China has made support for India's permanent seat contingent upon India leaving the G4.

 

[I spikes therefore I am]

I don't think inclusion of India will strengthen UNSC further. Most of the time India abstain voting in UN or remain stays neutral even in crucial issues if that case what is need of veto power?. P5 members are potent aggressors and courageous but India is not and its soft power. IMO India shouldn't beg for UNSC seat better improve our qualities and deserve it.

 

[LOVETOALL]

India will not be allowed in UNSC until atrocities in IOK are stopped... And no UNSC member will give up their seat for India, I guarantee you

No body has to give their seat. Security council has to expand. I think you dont have any knowledge of topic.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

That's not how it works. Check the quote.

There will be one reform resolution for the UNSC, to decide the new permanent members. Not one resolution per individual country, that wouldn't make sense or even be feasible.

And any country that has bound itself to the G4 will not make it through, which is why China has made support for India's permanent seat contingent upon India leaving the G4.

So it means one vote for G4? U either reject the 4 nations or accept the 4 nations?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So it means one vote for G4? U either reject the 4 nations or accept the 4 nations?

Check out the quote from the article, the G4 is a group-bid, where all the members mutually support each other.

U either reject the 4 nations or accept the 4 nations?

The reform resolution will set out a "new structure" for the UNSC, in which certain countries will be named as new permanent members.

The current P5 can either accept or reject this reform resolution. That's how it has always worked in the UNSC, voting for or against resolutions as a whole, not parts of it.

 

[Mech]

I agree with @Chinese-Dragon. Pushing in the G4 will dilute the security council's power significantly.

There would be no unanimity in any core issues. In hindsight, i dont support Indian bid either. There are many conflicting voices on issues within India which will result in us vetoeing any significant issues that require decisive action.

Clean up the beauraecracy, stop playing vote bank politics and build consensus on core issues. Finally build an actual national policy instead of sidestepping everything.

Assertiveness is key. And i mean on the domestic level.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Check out the quote from the article, the G4 is a group-bid, where all the members mutually support each other.



The reform resolution will set out a "new structure" for the UNSC, in which certain countries will be named as new permanent members.

The current P5 can either accept or reject this reform resolution. That's how it has always worked in the UNSC, voting for or against resolutions as a whole, not parts of it.

Then i have to agree its a bit of problem.
They must make changes in agenda, like having individual vote for each of 4 nations.
With G4 getting a UNSC ticket is tough.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Then i have to agree its a bit of problem.
They must make changes in agenda, like having individual vote for each of 4 nations.
With G4 getting a UNSC ticket is tough.

What usually happens, is that if a resolution makes it to the UNSC (most don't) then the P5 can either accept or reject the resolution. One "no" vote from any of the P5 members counts as a rejection.

In order to avoid problems in the actual vote, the P5 will usually negotiate the resolution in the back room, and "water down" the resolution to suit their needs.

The G4 have agreed to put in their bids as a group, which means the reform resolution will not be able to be watered down to remove any of the G4 members.

This can easily be solved if the G4 is disbanded. Then a "new structure" can be proposed that will not be vetoed by any of the P5.

 

[MandarK]

Permanent seat in UNSC will be a big headache for India.

Consider a situation when India has to vote on Isreal-Philistine conflict? How to choose sides?

We are absolutely fine with the current condition.

 

[arp2041]

As long as India is with the G4 it doesn't matter.

Japan has territorial disputes with China and Russia, two veto members. The G4 is dead in the water.

We've already said we were willing to back India as long as they abandoned the G4 and campaigned for a seat independently.

As of now, they are planning to enter as a group of four which will never happen.

CD, How r u always saying the right thing

This was the same thing i was wondering, why in the world India formed alliance with Germany, Japan & Brazil to get the UNSC permanent seat when it can get it by going all alone?? There is no way all four will get entry into the UNSC:

1. Germany's bid will be opposed by France & maybe even Britain.

2. Japan's bid will be opposed by Russia & China.

3. Brazil bid can be opposed by US.

It's only & only India whose bid is supported by each of the P-5 members, but going together with G-4 only means that resolution will be defeated.

Besides giving membership to 4 countries more with 5 already present & giving them veto powers, will only make the whole UNSC a joke, where every resolution will be opposed by one member or the other, also African nations will raise there own opposition since there will be no African nation in the council. Oh & did i forgot the opposition by the Arab world??? Only 1 more permanent member can be adjusted in the UNSC & that is India b'coz other 3 are just economic powers with no independent say in world affairs, so they will just be the extension of the US in the UNSC, while India is an overall power which has independent foreign policy.

 

[cloud]

I request the Indian members that, not get fooled into the Chinese worlds, there is a big difference in "not opposing" and "supporting". AFAIK all other permanent member have said of "supporting" India excluding chinese. G4's objective is to support UNSC membership for each other, and certainly not that if all can't get the seat then no one should get it. Practically there is nothing much to gain from permanent membership if one is powerful on your own. And in coming decades if India/Brazil moves ahead then any any other block formed similar to UNSC(unless it doesn't get reformed) which includes G4s and 2 African countries and other economic power might have even more say in world affairs.

 

[Yaduveer]

India will not be allowed in UNSC until atrocities in IOK are stopped... And no UNSC member will give up their seat for India, I guarantee you

Who needs to convince a small insignificant failed state in order to secure a permanent seat in UNSC ?

India will get a seat irrespective how hard you cry over Kashmir.

 

[Mech]

India will not be allowed in UNSC until atrocities in IOK are stopped... And no UNSC member will give up their seat for India, I guarantee you

I dont think anyone cares what Pakistan or a Pakistani has to say about UNSC or the Indian bid for UNSC.

Who needs to convince a small insignificant failed state in order to secure a permanent seat in UNSC ?

India will get a seat irrespective how hard you cry over Kashmir.

I dont we should aggressively pursue a seat. Especially, not alone. If we go in we ought to go in with the the group. Now that we can't back out, we should either seek to dilute the UNSC or delay aggressive overtures indefinitely.

I dont want my country pushed to a corner or key issues.

 

[帅的一匹]

Not oppose is not equal to fully support, it just depends.