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04/11/2010
China using Pak to slow India's rise

Washington: Relation between India and China has deteriorated in last 18 months and is unlikely to get better, a former US Ambassador to India has said and he shared the perception of many Indian strategic thinkers that Beijing is using Pakistan to slow India's rise.



Robert Blackwill, former US Ambassador to India

"I think it's fair to say now that China-India relations are not very good and in fact have been deteriorating for about last 18 months," Robert Blackwill, former US Ambassador to India said in a conference call with reporters in a briefing on Obama's India visit.

"The Indians have a long list of Chinese transgressions, which in my judgement are accurate, having to do with Chinese policy on Kashmir and on the border dispute between the two countries and the so-called 'ring of pearls' of Chinese quasi-military installations in Bangladesh and in Sri Lanka and in Pakistan and so forth," he said. Blackwill is currently the Henry Kissinger Senior Fellow for US Foreign Policy at the Council on Foreign Relations - a prestigious US-based think tank.

"So the relations aren't very good between the two. The Prime Minister keeps saying, and I think deeply believes, that there's no reason why India and China could not have a good long-term relationship. But it isn't clear that same degree of enthusiasm for that end state is felt in Beijing," he said.


Many Indian strategists think that there's some evidence that China's preoccupation with Pakistan and its long-time close links is closely connected to the Chinese realisation that if India is preoccupied, if not pinned down by cross-border terrorism from Pakistan and problems in the India-Pakistan relation, that it will slow the rise of India as a great power.

"In other words, China using Pakistan to slow India's rise," Blackwill said.

"So China-India relations are not good, and I myself don't think they're going to get very much better on the geopolitical and security side. Now on the economic side, they're thriving, and of course, that's good for both countries," he said.

"The Indians have no interest in thoughts of containing China, a concept that one sees in the American media from time to time. No way faster to clear a Delhi drawing room than to begin to talk about containing China. "But what India would like is an agreement with the US that over the long term, the US and India will keep in close touch, both to the issue of Chinese behaviour and trying to decipher it, and second, close touch on trying to shape Chinese external behaviour in a positive way," Blackwill said.



Blackwill, the former US Ambassador to India, said that "so that's what the Chinese national security elite is waiting to hear from the Obama administration, which is, do you see us as a partner, if not the most important partner in Asia, in trying to help manage the rise of Chinese power, not in a confrontational way, but in a way that seeks to find instruments to produce Chinese behaviour which is more congenial to both US and Indian long-term vital national security interests?"

"That wish on the part of India to have that informal understanding with the Americans has been accelerated and intensified by Chinese external behaviour over the last year and a half, including, again, to add more, the South China Sea and so forth. So that's the way India sees China," he said.

"I think it would be true to say that the Indians regard the rise of Chinese power, at least most of the Indians, the national security experts -- the rise of Chinese power as the most important of the long-term strategic challenges facing India.

"And since at least I believe the rise of Chinese power is the most important long-term challenge strategic challenge facing the US, we ought to have a lot to talk about with the Indians," he said.

Source: The Indian Express

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I disagree.

Pakistan is essential to China in geostrategic terms, so we can access oil/gas resources from Central Asia, the Middle East etc.

Also, we will be able to access the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf through KKH and Gwadar port.

The China-Pakistan friendship is not primarily targeted at India. Ask any average Chinese person on the street, "who are China's main enemies?" The answers you will get are pretty much "Japan"... and in strategic/economic terms "the USA". And even then, Japan and the USA are still our two largest trading partners.
 
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^^ Unfortunately, the 'average Chinese Person' doesn't furnish China's policies.

Who are the leaders of the CCP if not Chinese people. Also, the CCP pays very careful attention to what the Chinese people think.

China is the country with the largest percentage of people who support the government and the national direction. The CCP is the biggest political party on Earth, and closely tied in to the people, in fact the average Chinese person will know a friend or family member who is in the party.

Many outsiders like to criticise the CCP, and consider them to be completely serparate from the average Chinese person. The truth is that the CCP is made up of our next door neighbours, our friends and our family members. I.e. The average Chinese.

Look at Hu Jintao. Born to a very poor family in the "rural" areas, far away from the rich coastal cities. He rose though the ranks due to talent and merit, not because of family connections or money. Wen Jiabao is the same. They were not born into the elite, they were born as average Chinese.
 
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I am also surprised with this staement from Blackwill. Is it because Obama will be in India this week? US Economy is at its lowest? DEMs handed a crushing defeat and writing for Obama is on the wall. A tension or projecting a tense atmosphere between Delhi and Beijing would help Obama win some economic goodies while in India?

China is encircling us since long time now. It is no new revelation at all, but why an US acknowldgement now?

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Robert Blackwill is the former US Ambassador to India..

whatever he said has the intrest of his own country...

so , what's his country's intrest in taking such in india..

"And since at least I believe the rise of Chinese power is the most important long-term challenge ,strategic challenge facing the US, we ought to have a lot to talk about with the Indians," he said.

on the other side china's visa policies on india has a effect on india-china relation.....if china won't bother to change their stand on visa policy , it can lead to the india-US alliance in long term ...

no matter where china stand economically ,politically india has more influence internationally..

the multinational menufecturing units situated in china which has lead the chinese GDP can easly shift to india...

i think china has taken a wrong step forward on their visa policy on india...
 
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What new in this everybody does, isn't amerikans doing the same with india to counter china? ? But the difference is about positive and negative way ...
 
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It is true that Chinese nuclear assistance has enabled Pakistan to continue Jihad in Kashmir and elsewhere. For that Pakistan is grateful.

But Indians looking towards the US may be in for a disappointment - the US has also been giving Pakistan India-specific weapon systems.
 
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China-Pak are partners. Its not new. But I dont see any immediate threat coming. China wants to project itself as a harmonious nation. So even if they have have military movies behind certain moves, we should not care and rake up hysteria.
 
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Robert Blackwill is the former US Ambassador to India..

whatever he said has the intrest of his own country...

so , what's his country's intrest in taking such in india..



on the other side china's visa policies on india has a effect on india-china relation.....if china won't bother to change their stand on visa policy , it can lead to the india-US alliance in long term ...

no matter where china stand economically ,politically india has more influence internationally..

the multinational menufecturing units situated in china which has lead the chinese GDP can easly shift to india...

i think china has taken a wrong step forward on their visa policy on india...

if you had so much influence internationally. why they keep refusing india to join the united nation security council why india couldnot block the china pakistan nuclear deal,
man i just love the indian sense of humour
 
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Will you please do some homework before shooting your trash? moving to India? dream on, take a good look at how China's FDI make up of;
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China: Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) by Country of Origin

Robert Blackwill is the former US Ambassador to India..

whatever he said has the intrest of his own country...

so , what's his country's intrest in taking such in india..



on the other side china's visa policies on india has a effect on india-china relation.....if china won't bother to change their stand on visa policy , it can lead to the india-US alliance in long term ...

no matter where china stand economically ,politically india has more influence internationally..

the multinational menufecturing units situated in china which has lead the chinese GDP can easly shift to india...

i think china has taken a wrong step forward on their visa policy on india...

if you had so much influence internationally. why they keep refusing india to join the united nation security council why india couldnot block the china pakistan nuclear deal,
man i just love the indian sense of humour

Give this poor idiot a break, may be he is not use to any reasonable discussions, in Ind...defence, he will be talking about how to slit Pa........'s throat and nuke China.:lol:
 
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Will you please do some homework before shooting your trash? moving to India? dream on, take a good look at how China's FDI make up of;
fig_fdi_3.gif

China: Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) by Country of Origin





Give this poor idiot a break, may be he is not use to any reasonable discussions, in Ind...defence, he will be talking about how to slit Pa........'s throat and nuke China.:lol:

Do you know what India FDI is made up of
Share of top five investing countries in FDI inflows. (2000–2007)[115]
Rank Country Inflows
(Million USD) Inflows (%)
1 Mauritius 85,178 44.24%[116]
2 United States 18,040 9.37%
3 United Kingdom 15,363 7.98%
4 Netherlands 11,177 5.81%
5 Singapore 9,742 5.06%
6 Cyprus 5,742 3.06%

By your conclusion what you want to show I really cannot understand .Your conclusion is Irrelevant.
 
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Pakistan and China are the real conjoined twins.

Unlike Afghans, many of whom are hostile to Pakistan, China has always been the all-weather friend.
 
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It is true that Chinese nuclear assistance has enabled Pakistan to continue Jihad in Kashmir and elsewhere. For that Pakistan is grateful.

But Indians looking towards the US may be in for a disappointment - the US has also been giving Pakistan India-specific weapon systems.

So you are Thanking China to help you in spreading Terrorism in Kashmir and elsewhere.
 
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