China Unveils FC-31; Brief Analysis of Possible Buyer(s)

[Blue Marlin]

China is developing its own high technology and days of rely on access of foreign technology is over. If not how can our huge AEW/AWACS fleet and AESA destroyer are build up? Even when comes to advance airframe technology, we have come together shoulder to shoulder with US. I think you shall have know the largest 3D printing aircraft component are made in China. The newest C919 are also latest proof of China ever improving aviation technology.

WS-13 might make its debut next year. It is entering it final stage of certification and currently tested on a JF-17 pt.

china may have aesa radars and destroyers, but its not to western standards (no offense)
also the c919 was designed with help from bombardier.

 

[Beast]

china may have aesa radars and destroyers, but its not to western standards (no offense)
also the c919 was designed with help from bombardier.

That is pure nonsense and due to long exposure to western China bashing propaganda. When FT-2000 was bidding for turkish LRSAM project. The AESA radar is one that impressed Turkish representative most. It not just an AESA but as an command and control to able to guide ground arty attack and even Long range MLR.

As for bombardier helping C919 is another joke. You mean Bombardier help C919 to pit its own product and doom its own product? Western will only export technology and assist that is not crucial and critical. Having international partner is just to globalize the product, nothing to do with not having the technology except the engine. Why not you say US helps AVIC make J-20? It will sound more spectacular

 

[Jat Boy]

China has made huge strides in military technology

Can build in huge numbers very quickly

And the FC31 looks a great project.

But make no mistake FC31 will not have the high advanced cock pit sensor fusion aesa radar and ew suites of the F35 or indeed the lethal weapons mix of the usa.

Engine powerplant wise the chinease do not have an indengious engine as yet and both usa europe and russia are far ahead.

overall i would suggest that a Rafale F3 and FC31 WILL BE ON PAR just about but the french fighter wins in overall range payload and cockpit technology

BUT the FC31 wins in better RCS and stealth

 

[General General]

I would like to suggest that we reach a consensus on the engines used in the new versions of the FC31. According to official statements, including the ones in this thread, say that the aircraft now uses Chinese indigenous engines and we have no reason to believe otherwise.
"The plane is equipped with twin engines made in China, officials said — not the Russian RD-93 engines previously on the aircraft."
Source: China Unveils FC-31; Brief Analysis of Possible Buyer(s)

We know they have been testing the engines on various platforms for a while now, and some of our personal disbeliefs should not hinder our ability to use logic.
We know the new Chinese engines are smokeless, even while accelerating (videos are readily available on this forum).
As for the comparison between the F35 and the J31, we know they won't be close, specification-wise. The U.S. has a lot more experience in this matter. However, the information gained from the infamous Chinese hack of the F35 program should have closed the gap in know-how considerably.
I will agree with Beast here that the J31 would be the best option for the PAF since it will be the only aircraft in the subcontinent that will able to stand its ground against the future inducted PAKFA in the IAF. It will also be the only 5th gen aircraft available throughout the world that will be completely sanction free. And a 5th generation aircraft will need a whole lot of manufacturer support.

 

[Jat Boy]

I should not doubt the chinease they are a incredible race.

maybe the FC31 may even be better than the PAK FA who knows

 

[mike2000 is back]

I doubt UK will help. Helping a competitor to ruin more Typhoon order? Precisely, US reject 4 core technology assist.

No bro. We will help them, Typhoon is way above anything Seoul can come up with(everybody in the world knows that).

Moreover, our Typhoon is widely regarded as the world's best 4.5 generation fighter jet, plus its a very expensive(rightly so) fighter, reason only wealthy countries in the gulf have purchased it so far. While some developed countries like Canada are contemplating acquiring one. So S.Korea's TF -X will not in any way have an impact on Typhoon sales worldwide. The two fall under different Categories, and their target market are different as well.

So dont worry about us bro, our leaders and defence giants know what they are doing. They are not foolish you know.

That is pure nonsense and due to long exposure to western China bashing propaganda. When FT-2000 was bidding for turkish LRSAM project. The AESA radar is one that impressed Turkish representative most. It not just an AESA but as an command and control to able to guide ground arty attack and even Long range MLR.

As for bombardier helping C919 is another joke. You mean Bombardier help C919 to pit its own product and doom its own product? Western will only export technology and assist that is not crucial and critical. Having international partner is just to globalize the product, nothing to do with not having the technology except the engine. Why not you say US helps AVIC make J-20? It will sound more spectacular

Calm down bro. Nobody is trying to downplay Chna here. Blue marlin is right, your C919 will never have gotten to where it is today(even with all the years of delays) without critical help from western powers/companies, since several critical parts are sourced from western countries. You have to always start from somewhere(especially when you are so late in the game) by learning from those ahead of you, no shame in admitting that, many countries before China did the same. Else you will always be lagging behind forever.

The hell even Russia who still has a significant lead over China in aviation still has to rely on western supplied equipments/tech for its commercial planes. So chill.

 

[Zibago]

Would love to see that flying over Islamabad o23

 

[Beast]

[QUOTE="mike2000 is back, post: 7861685, member: 168327"

Calm down bro. Nobody is trying to downplay Chna here. Blue marlin is right, your C919 will never have gotten to where it is today(even with all the years of delays) without critical help from western powers/companies, since several critical parts are sourced from western countries. You have to always start from somewhere(especially when you are so late in the game) by learning from those ahead of you, no shame in admitting that, many countries before China did the same. Else you will always be lagging behind forever.

The hell even Russia who still has a significant lead over China in aviation still has to rely on western supplied equipments/tech for its commercial planes. So chill. [/QUOTE]

I think you are totally wrong. No critical part is there for C919 and they can be replace quickly by domestic parts. Let me ask you one simple question. If C919 is so rely on western help/import, how do Chinese going to militarise it for AWACS and MPA since the western still place arm embargo on China?

Too bad you do not understand Chinese.

 

[Plotinium]

Hi,
I may not have spend much time here but the 5th generation aircraft are part of a package. It all depends on who gives the best package to PAF in the end. The chinese may offer a better package than the turkish TFX but it wont depend on the engine of the plane. FC-31 may have some package of the j-20(weapons, jamming pods, etc) for the PAF so that maybe the game changer for the PAF regarding 5th generation aircraft.

 

[Blue Marlin]

That is pure nonsense and due to long exposure to western China bashing propaganda. When FT-2000 was bidding for turkish LRSAM project. The AESA radar is one that impressed Turkish representative most. It not just an AESA but as an command and control to able to guide ground arty attack and even Long range MLR.

As for bombardier helping C919 is another joke. You mean Bombardier help C919 to pit its own product and doom its own product? Western will only export technology and assist that is not crucial and critical. Having international partner is just to globalize the product, nothing to do with not having the technology except the engine. Why not you say US helps AVIC make J-20? It will sound more spectacular

well its your word against someone else's that is familiar with Chinese tech, it's someone on the forum but I'm not going to say who it is, here's a clue, he's a staff member.

im not questioning china's technological capability. you've built high tech stuff satellites, nuclear subs, rockets and other things. I'm just saying it on word of a reliable source.

bombarier has a role in the c919, the link is just a first.
Bombardier Agrees to Share CSeries Cockpit With China’s C919 - Bloomberg Business

note, I'm not against china here or portraying your country negatively here. it just takes time to get to the point where one can say, "it's just as good, if not better than the others" also i can see past the media, and know china's capability, i was in china not to long ago.

 

[RealNapster]

No, worst decision ever. Its a plane achieve nothing for PAF. Using western technology that will makes PAF prone to embargo.

don't take me wrong and seriously i don't Wan't it to happen what i am going to Assume.

but
what if a WAR started between Pakistan and China ??
we will have chinese jets, chinese tanks, chinese missiles, chines eveything.
just take an example of airforce. maybe in future it is Fc-31, j-11d, jf17, ..
And the enemy who knows limitation of your each and every weapons is a lethal enemy.

So don't you think there must be a combination in PAF ? two from china, two from west.
e.g, jf17, j11 from china... and typhoon/su35/tfx and f-16 from west. ?? @Imran Khan , @MastanKhan ,

so if you go with a war with india (U.S girlfriend) you can use chinese weapons. and if you are in war with china use western weapons.

Note:
please don't ask me silly questions that what make me think that there will be a war between Pakistan and china. it's a hypothetical scenario as i am on devil's side

 

[Beast]

don't take me wrong and seriously i don't Wan't it to happen what i am going to Assume.

but
what if a WAR started between Pakistan and China ??
we will have chinese jets, chinese tanks, chinese missiles, chines eveything.
just take an example of airforce. maybe in future it is Fc-31, j-11d, jf17, ..
And the enemy who knows limitation of your each and every weapons is a lethal enemy.

So don't you think there must be a combination in PAF ? two from china, two from west.
e.g, jf17, j11 from china... and typhoon/su35/tfx and f-16 from west. ?? @Imran Khan , @MastanKhan ,

so if you go with a war with india (U.S girlfriend) you can use chinese weapons. and if you are in war with china use western weapons.

well its your word against someone else's that is familiar with Chinese tech, it's someone on the forum but I'm not going to say who it is, here's a clue, he's a staff member.

im not questioning china's technological capability. you've built high tech stuff satellites, nuclear subs, rockets and other things. I'm just saying it on word of a reliable source.

bombarier has a role in the c919, the link is just a first.
Bombardier Agrees to Share CSeries Cockpit With China’s C919 - Bloomberg Business

note, I'm not against china here or portraying your country negatively here. it just takes time to get to the point where one can say, "it's just as good, if not better than the others" also i can see past the media, and know china's capability, i was in china not to long ago.

As I say, this are non critical system and can be easily replaced by Chinese one. Even Boeing B787 has lots of system outsource from foreign producers. Are you going to claim Boeing depend on them for critical components? C919 is a project intend to go international. By having a multi international collaboration will popularise the project and make it accept internationally easier.

Tell me how do Bombardier system going into militarize of C919 AWACS or MPA? Of cos Chinese system is available to make it happen.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

China is looking for foreign Partners to invest in J-31..... Pakistan should go for it...

Plus after a decade J-31 and Turkish TAI TFX will also be ready we can have few number of that too... (Both From East and West)....

 

[Beast]

don't take me wrong and seriously i don't Wan't it to happen what i am going to Assume.

but
what if a WAR started between Pakistan and China ??
we will have chinese jets, chinese tanks, chinese missiles, chines eveything.
just take an example of airforce. maybe in future it is Fc-31, j-11d, jf17, ..
And the enemy who knows limitation of your each and every weapons is a lethal enemy.

So don't you think there must be a combination in PAF ? two from china, two from west.
e.g, jf17, j11 from china... and typhoon/su35/tfx and f-16 from west. ?? @Imran Khan , @MastanKhan ,

so if you go with a war with india (U.S girlfriend) you can use chinese weapons. and if you are in war with china use western weapons.

Note:
please don't ask me silly questions that what make me think that there will be a war between Pakistan and china. it's a hypothetical scenario as i am on devil's side

That is why localisation of Chinese weapon by Pakistan armed forces is always a priority. Even IF, you goes to war with China. Your local industries are still able to maintain and sustain your own make system. For example, HJ-8 ATGM

That is not possible with western project or outright purchase. Look at why Cobra gunship is not able to continue serve PA becos US block the spare. And we have some joker still advocate buying US gunship or even Turkish gunship filled with plenty of western parts. US recently only approved gunship sales to PA after China gifted PA 3 WZ-10 which makes US embargo ineffective. Yet still so many Pakistanis forumer still worshipping this double headed snake USA for their products.

True Pakistanis do not adovcate buying US weapon. Its a treason.

 

[Blue Marlin]

As I say, this are non critical system and can be easily replaced by Chinese one. Even Boeing B787 has lots of system outsource from foreign producers. Are you going to claim Boeing depend on them for critical components? C919 is a project intend to go international. By having a multi international collaboration will popularise the project and make it accept internationally easier.

Tell me how do Bombardier system going into militarize of C919 AWACS or MPA? Of cos Chinese system is available to make it happen.

what ever makes you happy.
btw i don't think any company will collaborate with china in terms of defense. even the engines, they have to be replaced with the ws-20.