China Unlikely to Confront United States Military Intervention in PakistaN

[Jango]

a big clean up job by agnostic muslim. and i agree with your views muslim. The world does not want to see another military war at the moment, the only reason that why US is not going into libya is that it simply cannot afford to, and if it does go into pakistan, then the whole world will have to bear the consequences. China and india will get economic growth downsized and so forth.

 

[Tinu]

We fight our own wars ... we are a nuclear power. Though China is a friend of ours and we will welcome their support, we wont request them to fight for us.
Ham akele hi qafi hein ....... haaaaaaaaaaaa bakriiiiiiiii

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

With what leverage? Why would nations that Pakistan threatens in turn not be inclined to join in the war? And what hold then does China have over THESE nations is the question?

I did not suggest any of these nations would join a war against the US if 'threatened by Pakistan', what I argued was that the threat of Pakistan attacking and destroyin significant oil production and transport infrastructure in the Gulf/Iran, and attacking Israel and India, would put a significant dent in the global economy, and that nations like China would therefore have a very strong interest in ensuring that a war between the US and Pakistan does not occur in the first place.

My point is not that these nations will 'join a war' but that they will actively seek to prevent a war to avoid global economic damage, especially when there is no clear or convincing case in favor of war against Pakistan.

Pakistan has to ensure that the costs of any war, on the world, imposed on it by the US/NATO outweigh any perceived gains they foresee.

 

[Jango]

I did not suggest any of these nations would join a war against the US if 'threatened by Pakistan', what I argued was that the threat of Pakistan attacking and destroyin significant oil production and transport infrastructure in the Gulf/Iran, and attacking Israel and India, would put a significant dent in the global economy, and that nations like China would therefore have a very strong interest in ensuring that a war between the US and Pakistan does not occur in the first place.

My point is not that these nations will 'join a war' but that they will actively seek to prevent a war to avoid global economic damage, especially when there is no clear or convincing case in favor of war against Pakistan.

Pakistan has to ensure that the costs of any war, on the world, imposed on it by the US/NATO outweigh any perceived gains they foresee.

Very well waid, i have to say.

 

[Tshering22]

unless india pokes its nose , no. We cannot destroy us, but we can annhialate israel

And in the process, trigger their nuclear response against every Arab and Muslim country around the world as their Samson Option dictates. Here's a quiz for you; The Arab world is full of military-obsessed dictators having an aggressive ruling style and oil sheikhs that can afford latest weapons from some or the other corners of the world to take over the tiny Israel. Why do you think they've stopped trying after 60s? Figure it out.

If a US war against Pakistan results in Pakistan spreading the war to Israel, Gulf/Iranian Oil Infrastructure, India etc., then the repercussions on the global economy, and therefore on the Chinese economy, would be significant.

AM, Read my above response to nuclearpak. Your spreading of war against Israel will invite doom for all your fellow Arab and Islamic countries. It is the Israeli doctrine to do that. Why do you think no one walks over and takes their country from them?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

AM, Read my above response to nuclearpak. Your spreading of war against Israel will invite doom for all your fellow Arab and Islamic countries. It is the Israeli doctrine to do that. Why do you think no one walks over and takes their country from them?

Why would Pakistan care about the Arabs if we are at war with the US and under threat of being destroyed?

The 'Samson Option' by Israel in fact fits perfectly into a potential Pakistani deterrent against any war imposed on Pakistan by NATO - such a war would not stay limited to Pakistan, and Pakistan would try and ensure the world pays a very, very high price in terms of economic damage (oil infrastructure, devestated regional Gulf, Israeli, Indian economies), and therefore try and ensure that the world attempts to influence the US to not impose war on Pakistan to begin with.

How high would the price of oil skyrocket if the Israelis launch nukes at the Gulf States (or even if there is a threat of that) and Pakistan destroys/threatens to destroy a significant chunk of the Gulf/Iranian/CAR Oil and Gas production and transport infrastructure?

 

[Jango]

And in the process, trigger their nuclear response against every Arab and Muslim country around the world as their Samson Option dictates. Here's a quiz for you; The Arab world is full of military-obsessed dictators having an aggressive ruling style and oil sheikhs that can afford latest weapons from some or the other corners of the world to take over the tiny Israel. Why do you think they've stopped trying after 60s? Figure it out.



AM, Read my above response to nuclearpak. Your spreading of war against Israel will invite doom for all your fellow Arab and Islamic countries. It is the Israeli doctrine to do that. Why do you think no one walks over and takes their country from them?

because of big daddy USA!!,,,,, what isaid is basically that a war now between US and pakistaan could vvery well result in a world war.

 

[Meengla]

I think Pakistan going on extremely fast track to making nuclear weapons shows the often-understated strategic calculations by the Pakistani military planners: A Samson Option!
Why would America attack Pakistan? As I can see there are significant voices even now who lament leaving Pakistan alone in 1989 to bear the brunt of the Afghan war. Media noise is one thing--and yes, they are very much anti-Pakistan. But they are also just as much against the Pentagon and the 'Military Industrial Complex'. Some kind of analytical Signal-to-Noise deciphering is badly needed.
I think Pakistan is far more useful to American interests in the region for many reasons: Anti-terrorist operations, central Asian resources, potential 'client state' against China and Iran (yes, I mean this), generally pliant ruling class... It is just that, despite the stupid comments by many Pakistanis here, Pakistani ruling elite is not exactly American 'puppet' and so there is this friction.

No, there is no America-Pakistan war on the horizon.

 

[Contrarian]

Why would Pakistan care about the Arabs if we are at war with the US and under threat of being destroyed?

The 'Samson Option' by Israel in fact fits perfectly into a potential Pakistani deterrent against any war imposed on Pakistan by NATO - such a war would not stay limited to Pakistan, and Pakistan would try and ensure the world pays a very, very high price in terms of economic damage (oil infrastructure, devestated regional Gulf, Israeli, Indian economies), and therefore try and ensure that the world attempts to influence the US to not impose war on Pakistan to begin with.

How high would the price of oil skyrocket if the Israelis launch nukes at the Gulf States (or even if there is a threat of that) and Pakistan destroys/threatens to destroy a significant chunk of the Gulf/Iranian/CAR Oil and Gas production and transport infrastructure?

I meant if you threaten Israel/India/etc, why would they not join the war against Pakistan Directly! Why would they be meek spectators to their nations being threatened or try to stop the US? China has no significant leverage over India or Israel.

The ONLY thing that Pakistan can threaten that can deter any nation is nuclear weapons. Simply destroying gas producing areas,etc disrupting the world economy will not cause these nations to stop. Every nation has strategic oil reserves. Heck even we are building a huge one.

Short of nukes, there is nothing that Pakistan can do. So IF the US is able to take the nukes out of the equation, then there is no threat for Pakistan to back up.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I meant if you threaten Israel/India/etc, why would they not join the war against Pakistan Directly! Why would they be meek spectators to their nations being threatened or try to stop the US? China has no significant leverage over India or Israel.

Whether the remaining nations join the US or not will be irrelevant from a military perspective, if war imposed on Pakistan is imposed by all of NATO - NATO's combined military alone is capable enough.

So the argument is, why would the rest of the world, including the US's NATO partners, not attempt to dissuade the US from imposing war on Pakistan, if the results could mean significant economic damage globally.

The ONLY thing that Pakistan can threaten that can deter any nation is nuclear weapons. Simply destroying gas producing areas,etc disrupting the world economy will not cause these nations to stop. Every nation has strategic oil reserves. Heck even we are building a huge one.

You misunderstand me - the point of 'destroying the oil production/transportation and storage (thanks for reminding me) infrastructure' is to send the price of oil skyrocketing, as well as potentially disrupt oil supplies for the short to medium term. The impact of that on the global economy would be significant.

If the Israelis want to destroy the Arab States because Pakistan attacks them, so much the better in terms of Israel helping out, hence my point that any 'Samson Option' on the part of Israel only helps Pakistan build a deterrent to war in the first place.

Short of nukes, there is nothing that Pakistan can do. So IF the US is able to take the nukes out of the equation, then there is no threat for Pakistan to back up.

A big 'IF' the US were able to take the nukes out of the equation, before Pakistan used them against certain targets that would ensure escalation of the war as well as significant disruption to oil production, storage and transport.

Why would the US take that chance, and why would the rest of the world allow the US to do so, when the costs would be so significant? Pakistan would have to do something quite terrible for the world to accept the potential costs of going to war with Pakistan.

 

[Juice]

unless india pokes its nose , no. We cannot destroy us, but we can annhialate israel

Lol, Isreal has nukes too.

 

[JayAtl]

I did not suggest any of these nations would join a war against the US if 'threatened by Pakistan', what I argued was that the threat of Pakistan attacking and destroyin significant oil production and transport infrastructure in the Gulf/Iran, and attacking Israel and India, would put a significant dent in the global economy, and that nations like China would therefore have a very strong interest in ensuring that a war between the US and Pakistan does not occur in the first place.

My point is not that these nations will 'join a war' but that they will actively seek to prevent a war to avoid global economic damage, especially when there is no clear or convincing case in favor of war against Pakistan.

Pakistan has to ensure that the costs of any war, on the world, imposed on it by the US/NATO outweigh any perceived gains they foresee.

First - thank you for being the first one to read the article as evident from replies above yours. this was about Pak using china as a leverage not the absurd replies we saw above it.


I don't get this " other nations will join US, if US / Pak war takes place" and the conclusion that this then risks of spreading out to other parts etc etc.

Now...Since when did US need anyone to " defeat" Pakistan. No nation will join- they will sit back and let it be ... and if Pakistan threatens to take the war to the world economic routes , while the world is not attacking it- then you will see others nations joining the war to protect their economic interests...

This was like Saddam said 'an attack on Iraq means we will bomb Israel'-- and he did but nobody joined him nor did it work... You don't expect other nations to sit by and let you lob missiles? and ain't like if no other nation takes part at the beginning you are suggesting Pak will lob nuclear missiles at non participating countries...

 

[mhb56]

I don't think US and China should be fighting with each other. To all of you in here, a war between the US and China mean the destruction of earth, this is not something to play with, it's a very very serious business. Back in the early 2000s, they has been intelligence running around saying that China has a weapon that only Russia and possibly the US had in their arsenal and that weapon was a "quantum base weapon system", which mean the annihilation of life form at the smallest state possible. The NSA has been trying hard to not let anybody have such weapons but it felt to do so. Currently, only China, Russia, US, EU and a very few non-nuclear arm states or entities have such weapon. BTW, that Chinese research on the weapon on question started during the same period when they blew their first atomic bomb.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

First - thank you for being the first one to read the article as evident from replies above yours. this was about Pak using china as a leverage not the absurd replies we saw above it.


I don't get this " other nations will join US, if US / Pak war takes place" and the conclusion that this then risks of spreading out to other parts etc etc.

Now...Since when did US need anyone to " defeat" Pakistan. No nation will join- they will sit back and let it be ... and if Pakistan threatens to take the war to the world economic routes , while the world is not attacking it- then you will see others nations joining the war to protect their economic interests...

This was like Saddam said 'an attack on Iraq means we will bomb Israel'-- and he did but nobody joined him nor did it work... You don't expect other nations to sit by and let you lob missiles? and ain't like if no other nation takes part at the beginning you are suggesting Pak will lob nuclear missiles at non participating countries...

Saddam did not have the capability to hit and destroy most of the oil infrastructure in the Gulf - the best he could do was to lob some inaccurate Scuds at Israel and Saudi Arabia.

And if the Israelis are going to end up nuking the Arab States because of a Pakistani attack, then that ends up serving Pakistan's purpose in terms of making the world understand that a war imposed on Pakistan could end up escalating into a regional catastrophe, and with that a global economic catastrophe.

 

[untitled]

Now...Since when did US need anyone to " defeat" Pakistan. No nation will join- they will sit back and let it be ... and if Pakistan threatens to take the war to the world economic routes , while the world is not attacking it- then you will see others nations joining the war to protect their economic interests...

They dont need to but usually do. Whenever the Americans start a military adventure they ensure they have some partners.
This happened in Korea..... Vietnam..... Both Iraq Wars (Remember the Coalition of the willing) and Afghanistan.

They do it because if something goes wrong... the blame can be collective.