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Tibet has been part of China since the 1700s. If we require nations to return to how they were before 1700s, than India need to break up into small pieces as that is how India was before the 1700s. Are you ready for the cease of existence of India.
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Dude you say tibet is part of china from 1700s but you want to claim disputed land with other countries based on some imaginary maps from centuries ago.how does that work.
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Tibetan and Han people share the same genetic ancestor.
Tibetan and Han Chinese language also came from the same language family - Sino-Tibetan.
Buddhism is a major religion in China. Both Chinese and Tibetan Buddhism belong to the same branch - Mahayana Buddhism. Which is found mainly practiced in East Asia in China, Mongolia, Japan and Korea.
Tibetan and Han Chinese language also came from the same language family - Sino-Tibetan.
Buddhism is a major religion in China. Both Chinese and Tibetan Buddhism belong to the same branch - Mahayana Buddhism. Which is found mainly practiced in East Asia in China, Mongolia, Japan and Korea.
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Because no one is going to bother with you.
Tibet is a peaceful and quiet place too, if US never bother with them too.
You don't understand about Tibet conflict.
It's not ethnic nor religious conflict. It's a Cold War between US and China.
Tibetan is just an idiot in the middle.
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A huge multi ethnics and tribes country like India should not talk like that.
You don't understand India too, the concept of India unity.
But I'm agree with you if the communist is the cancer of East Asia. But no need to worry, after decades of stupidity, we, the children of East Asian will rise and kick out the communist out from China forever.
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Future Tibet - Text And Photographs By N. RAM | FRONTLINE Magazine (2007)
Reality check 2007 shows that China is in firm control and `Tibetan independence' is a hopeless cause.
A view from the train on the roof of the world.
TEN years from now, a visitor to Tibet is likely to find it transformed into a region of middling prosperity. It is likely to have quite high living standards; a robust industrial base; modern agriculture and modernising animal husbandry; a well-educated, relatively young population; a high cultural level; a strong infrastructural spine and network supporting the development of a vast region; and active linkages and contacts with the rest of the world. It is more than likely that the autonomous region will enjoy political and social stability. It is certain not just that Tibet will be a still autonomous but much better integrated part of China but also that rising China will be very much in charge of Tibet's future. A significant part of `Tibet in Exile' could be back home, participating in shaping this future. A quarter century from now, possibly earlier, Tibet will reach the status of a developed society.
These predictions can be confidently made on the strength of two visits I have made to the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) over the past seven years.
The FIRST visit, over five days in July 2000, gave me an opportunity to attempt some reality testing of Dharamsala's main campaign themes. In psychology and psychoanalysis, reality testing is defined as the technique of objective evaluation of an emotion or thought against real life, as a faculty present in normal individuals but defective in some psychotics. The technique is increasingly used in other contexts, for example in conflict resolution where the objective is to `adjust' conflicting perceptions that do not `conform to the realities of the situation.' In the case of China's Tibet, the reality testing was not against what the protagonists and victims of the `independence for Tibet' campaign felt or believed - in exercise of what is known as the `ego function' - but against the defining themes of the campaign.
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Read further at: FRONTLINE Magazine (just search the site link as i can't put its link here at present), by Narasimhan Ram (or often shortened as N. RAM)
Volume 24 - Issue 14 :: Jul. 14-27, 2007
INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE
from the publishers of THE HINDU
OR TRY this shortcut: h-tt-p :// j.mp / 1c0eq8E
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As about N. RAM's FIRST visit to Tibet in 2000, one may read his impression and experiences here:
TIBET - A REALITY CHECK
Frontline, 2000-09-02
by Narasimhan Ram (September 2000)
2000/09/15
Volume 17 - Issue 18, Sep. 02 - 15, 2000
India's National Magazine
from the publishers of THE HINDU
TIBET - A REALITY CHECK
N. RAM writes, after a five day visit to the Tibet Autonomous Region of China.
"The sky is turquoise, the sun is golden,
The Dalai Lama is away from the Potala,
Making trouble in the west.
Yet Tibet's on the move.''
FOR an Indian in Tibet who has no sympathy whatsoever for the Dalai Lama's separatist, revanchist and backward-looking agenda, this passable adaptation of an old Tibetan song seems to fit contemporary realities. A careful reading of the facts of the case reveals that this ideological and political agenda, pursued essentially through external agency, is three projects rolled into one - splitting Tibet from China, carving out a 'Greater Tibet' through ethnic cleansing, and restoring a moth-eaten theocracy , the ancien regime with some modest, if not quite cosmetic, 'democratic' changes. Each one of these projects can be seen to represent a pipe-dream, especially if one remembers that - unlike in the case of Kashmir - there is not a single country and government in the world that disputes the status of Tibet, that does not recognise Tibet as part of China, that is willing to accord any kind of legal recognition to the Dalai Lama's 'government-in-exile' based in Dharmasala.
An array of apartment and office buildings in central Lhasa. The transforming effects of modernisation are very visible in Tibet's capital.
[...]
just search the link
OR TRY this shortcut: h-tt-p :// j.mp / 1e91azq
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Personally I don't think there's any problem between the Tibetan people and the Han people; it's just a problem between the Dalai Lama and his cliques vs. China.
Reality check 2007 shows that China is in firm control and `Tibetan independence' is a hopeless cause.
A view from the train on the roof of the world.
TEN years from now, a visitor to Tibet is likely to find it transformed into a region of middling prosperity. It is likely to have quite high living standards; a robust industrial base; modern agriculture and modernising animal husbandry; a well-educated, relatively young population; a high cultural level; a strong infrastructural spine and network supporting the development of a vast region; and active linkages and contacts with the rest of the world. It is more than likely that the autonomous region will enjoy political and social stability. It is certain not just that Tibet will be a still autonomous but much better integrated part of China but also that rising China will be very much in charge of Tibet's future. A significant part of `Tibet in Exile' could be back home, participating in shaping this future. A quarter century from now, possibly earlier, Tibet will reach the status of a developed society.
These predictions can be confidently made on the strength of two visits I have made to the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) over the past seven years.
The FIRST visit, over five days in July 2000, gave me an opportunity to attempt some reality testing of Dharamsala's main campaign themes. In psychology and psychoanalysis, reality testing is defined as the technique of objective evaluation of an emotion or thought against real life, as a faculty present in normal individuals but defective in some psychotics. The technique is increasingly used in other contexts, for example in conflict resolution where the objective is to `adjust' conflicting perceptions that do not `conform to the realities of the situation.' In the case of China's Tibet, the reality testing was not against what the protagonists and victims of the `independence for Tibet' campaign felt or believed - in exercise of what is known as the `ego function' - but against the defining themes of the campaign.
[...]
Read further at: FRONTLINE Magazine (just search the site link as i can't put its link here at present), by Narasimhan Ram (or often shortened as N. RAM)
Volume 24 - Issue 14 :: Jul. 14-27, 2007
INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE
from the publishers of THE HINDU
OR TRY this shortcut: h-tt-p :// j.mp / 1c0eq8E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As about N. RAM's FIRST visit to Tibet in 2000, one may read his impression and experiences here:
TIBET - A REALITY CHECK
Frontline, 2000-09-02
by Narasimhan Ram (September 2000)
2000/09/15
Volume 17 - Issue 18, Sep. 02 - 15, 2000
India's National Magazine
from the publishers of THE HINDU
TIBET - A REALITY CHECK
N. RAM writes, after a five day visit to the Tibet Autonomous Region of China.
"The sky is turquoise, the sun is golden,
The Dalai Lama is away from the Potala,
Making trouble in the west.
Yet Tibet's on the move.''
FOR an Indian in Tibet who has no sympathy whatsoever for the Dalai Lama's separatist, revanchist and backward-looking agenda, this passable adaptation of an old Tibetan song seems to fit contemporary realities. A careful reading of the facts of the case reveals that this ideological and political agenda, pursued essentially through external agency, is three projects rolled into one - splitting Tibet from China, carving out a 'Greater Tibet' through ethnic cleansing, and restoring a moth-eaten theocracy , the ancien regime with some modest, if not quite cosmetic, 'democratic' changes. Each one of these projects can be seen to represent a pipe-dream, especially if one remembers that - unlike in the case of Kashmir - there is not a single country and government in the world that disputes the status of Tibet, that does not recognise Tibet as part of China, that is willing to accord any kind of legal recognition to the Dalai Lama's 'government-in-exile' based in Dharmasala.
An array of apartment and office buildings in central Lhasa. The transforming effects of modernisation are very visible in Tibet's capital.
[...]
just search the link
OR TRY this shortcut: h-tt-p :// j.mp / 1e91azq
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Personally I don't think there's any problem between the Tibetan people and the Han people; it's just a problem between the Dalai Lama and his cliques vs. China.
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Future vision possibility of this conflict!
Even though it is not widely and officially recognized, Chinese government does enter into talks with Tibet’s government-in-exile in India. Even so, the talks did not show much hope for future. While China accused the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama for separating Tibet from motherland, the Dalai Lama says he only wants genuine autonomy for the region.
Dustin Stokes, from the University of Colorado, the USA suggested a possible future for Tibet. According to Stokes, Tibet may still is a part of China and under its domination, the country would be more autonomous and have more political self-determination. Economy would keep developing, in term of bringing more benefits to Tibetans, rather than to only Tibet’s Han Chinese immigrants like in current situation.
Those actions would be potential to keep Tibetan culture unharmed. As time goes on, this type of self-determination and improved governance would extend to the “Greater Tibet” areas. In a long term process, China and eventually Tibet would become a liberal democracy one day.
http://www.fnotw.org/Article/Full/4829
Even though it is not widely and officially recognized, Chinese government does enter into talks with Tibet’s government-in-exile in India. Even so, the talks did not show much hope for future. While China accused the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama for separating Tibet from motherland, the Dalai Lama says he only wants genuine autonomy for the region.
Dustin Stokes, from the University of Colorado, the USA suggested a possible future for Tibet. According to Stokes, Tibet may still is a part of China and under its domination, the country would be more autonomous and have more political self-determination. Economy would keep developing, in term of bringing more benefits to Tibetans, rather than to only Tibet’s Han Chinese immigrants like in current situation.
Those actions would be potential to keep Tibetan culture unharmed. As time goes on, this type of self-determination and improved governance would extend to the “Greater Tibet” areas. In a long term process, China and eventually Tibet would become a liberal democracy one day.
http://www.fnotw.org/Article/Full/4829
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i have been reading The Hindu for so many years, but have never seen Ram using that kind of language......
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Tibet has not been a defining part of China ever. But China rules Tibet now. And the rule is IMO better than what Dalai Lamas would have done. Best case scenario - it would have been a idle sleepy tourist spot like Bhutan. Worst case - an opium smuggling corridor and the playground for the world's intelligence agencies. Besides it also is located in a very very strategic position. No country would like to give it up.
But yes, they could have sat with the Dalai Lama(I dont respect him for his politics, Gandhian politics sound good but is a joke), even if just to show the world. Installing a Lama in Lhasa instead is not so smart. But then Dalai has no influence even in India
So I guess he just does not count. As for the self immolating Lamas - I am sure the Chinese folks would laugh their ***** off it. Hell, I would had I been a Chinese.
Bottomline - China rules it. China is not morally right to rule it. The Chinese civilization is not rooted in Tibet. But it's rule is much better than the feudal lords. The only problem with Chinese rule is that they are painfully close on the Indian border
But unlike our other neighbor, China is smart and inspite of repeated crossing not a single bullet has been fired by EITHER side.
Tibet has not been a defining part of China ever. But China rules Tibet now. And the rule is IMO better than what Dalai Lamas would have done. Best case scenario - it would have been a idle sleepy tourist spot like Bhutan. Worst case - an opium smuggling corridor and the playground for the world's intelligence agencies. Besides it also is located in a very very strategic position. No country would like to give it up.
But yes, they could have sat with the Dalai Lama(I dont respect him for his politics, Gandhian politics sound good but is a joke), even if just to show the world. Installing a Lama in Lhasa instead is not so smart. But then Dalai has no influence even in India So I guess he just does not count. As for the self immolating Lamas - I am sure the Chinese folks would laugh their ***** off it. Hell, I would had I been a Chinese.
Bottomline - China rules it. China is not morally right to rule it. The Chinese civilization is not rooted in Tibet. But it's rule is much better than the feudal lords. The only problem with Chinese rule is that they are painfully close on the Indian border But unlike our other neighbor, China is smart and inspite of repeated crossing not a single bullet has been fired by EITHER side.
But yes, they could have sat with the Dalai Lama(I dont respect him for his politics, Gandhian politics sound good but is a joke), even if just to show the world. Installing a Lama in Lhasa instead is not so smart. But then Dalai has no influence even in India
So I guess he just does not count. As for the self immolating Lamas - I am sure the Chinese folks would laugh their ***** off it. Hell, I would had I been a Chinese.Bottomline - China rules it. China is not morally right to rule it. The Chinese civilization is not rooted in Tibet. But it's rule is much better than the feudal lords. The only problem with Chinese rule is that they are painfully close on the Indian border
But unlike our other neighbor, China is smart and inspite of repeated crossing not a single bullet has been fired by EITHER side.Tibet has not been a defining part of China ever. But China rules Tibet now. And the rule is IMO better than what Dalai Lamas would have done. Best case scenario - it would have been a idle sleepy tourist spot like Bhutan. Worst case - an opium smuggling corridor and the playground for the world's intelligence agencies. Besides it also is located in a very very strategic position. No country would like to give it up.
But yes, they could have sat with the Dalai Lama(I dont respect him for his politics, Gandhian politics sound good but is a joke), even if just to show the world. Installing a Lama in Lhasa instead is not so smart. But then Dalai has no influence even in India
So I guess he just does not count. As for the self immolating Lamas - I am sure the Chinese folks would laugh their ***** off it. Hell, I would had I been a Chinese.Bottomline - China rules it. China is not morally right to rule it. The Chinese civilization is not rooted in Tibet. But it's rule is much better than the feudal lords. The only problem with Chinese rule is that they are painfully close on the Indian border
But unlike our other neighbor, China is smart and inspite of repeated crossing not a single bullet has been fired by EITHER side.
Well, you can join those self-inflaming monks.
That bastard dalai lama will bless you after you burn to ashes.
That bastard dalai lama will bless you after you burn to ashes.
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From a comment in this site. FNOTW: China-Tibet: long way conflict (I)
China has the proof to prove that Tibet is a part of China. So does Tibet, Tibetans are capable of proving Tibet is an independent state. However, I was wondering about the motivation or reason why such a small and weak Tibet strongly demand for their freedom from such a huge nation like China, if for the past hundred or thousand years, Tibet is China and Tibetans are Chinese. And why "a renegade for no good reason" fights for their freedom, speaks for their voice in such a hopeless fight. There must be something "not right" here.
China has the proof to prove that Tibet is a part of China. So does Tibet, Tibetans are capable of proving Tibet is an independent state. However, I was wondering about the motivation or reason why such a small and weak Tibet strongly demand for their freedom from such a huge nation like China, if for the past hundred or thousand years, Tibet is China and Tibetans are Chinese. And why "a renegade for no good reason" fights for their freedom, speaks for their voice in such a hopeless fight. There must be something "not right" here.
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