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China speaks better English than India, says study

It's amusing how Indians are sarcastically complaining about job loss, it appears true that in India many people have to learn English to get a job the national language Hindi isn't sufficient enough and their economy of call centers requires them to learn English. To them learning English is a sense of pride and honor. I'm glad they think like that.

our constitution gave english the honor of LINK language of India, so in that way yes it is good to learn english..... but believe me yaara no one uses english in our personal lives
 
I am from one of the regions you mentioned.... still i know very well hindi and I am proud of it

Of course, UP is one of the places that speak good Hindi, especially places close to Lucknow. Madhya Pradesh is also one of the states that speaks Shudh Hindi. However, speaking as a Bihari person who has family has Jharkhand as well, Bhojpuri is preferred by many Biharis over Hindi. Many Indians do not have Hindi as their first language, & those are the people that are poor at speaking Hindi, & in most cases, English as well.
 
Are you ashamed that you know English..or could not find a decent Urdu speaking job back home and moved to US ?

Most Indians (fresh off the boat/fobs) here in the US prefer using English with each other instead of Hindi, if they do not have a common mother language (if they belong to different Indian states). Such as Gujarati people talking to people from Maharashtra or anywhere else. No Indian takes pride in Hindi, which is really sad, & are ready to speak English with a poor accent than speak in their national language.
 
vocabulary could be better. but they would still be saying 'egg flied lice' instead of 'egg fried rice'!!:lol:[/QUOTE
Chinese doesnt see english so much important like the indo and indo seems like they are very proud with it as their national pride and also indo always talk english with weird slang mixed with indian slang.Thats weird.
 
Most Indians (fresh off the boat/fobs) here in the US prefer using English with each other instead of Hindi, if they do not have a common mother language (if they belong to different Indian states). No one in India takes pride in Hindi, which is really sad, & are ready to speak English in a poor English accent than speak in their national language.

India has 27 different national languages and we are very proud our diversity unlike you..when ever people from a particular state talk ..they prefer to talk in their mother tongues..unless other wise in presence of company from different state, which is when they talk in English.(as it is considered impolite)

..Is Urdu the only mother tongue in Pakistan..you have no other national language in Pakistan?..How does a non Urdu speaking Baloch or Pakhtun talk to a Pakistani Punjabi in US?..or is it yet to happen?
 
China is ranked 29th, and India is 30th.
What's the big fuss about it?

By the way, here's a more comprehensive data that pertains to a much more competitive exam and includes a bigger population that took the exam. (Not a free internet test for those who WANT to learn English, rather those who learned it and test their skills at it)

Average TOEFL iBT Score by Country

Gabon - 71/120
Mali - 57/120
Chad - 71/120
Cote D'Ivoire - 66/120
Netherlands Antilles - 80/120
Paraguay - 84/102
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 84/120
Cyprus - 78/120
Faroe Islands - 87/120
Georgia - 80/120
Luxembourg - 99/120
Macedonia - 85/120
Moldova - 85/120
Montenegro - 83/120
Serbia - 86/120
Poland - 88/120
Bahrain - 76/120
Oman - 66/120
French Polynesia - 80/120
Yemen - 67/120
Syria - 76/120
Sudan - 72/120
Qatar - 61/120
Palestine Territories - 70/120
Libya - 64/120
Slovenia - 95/120
Romania - 93/120
Monaco - 83/120

Kyrgyzstan - 81/120
Tajikistan - 67/120
Sri Lanka - 81/120
Lao - 60/120
Cambodia - 68/120
Armenia - 82/120
Czech R. - 91/120
Estonia - 96/120
Belgium - 97/120
Bulgaria - 87/120
Kosovo - 74/120
Benin - 64/120
Burkina Faso - 65/120
Congo - 72/120
Togo - 68/120
Honduras - 85/120
Puerto Rico - 88/120

Botswana - 84/120
Ghana - 76/120
Senegal - 65/120
Bolivia - 80/120
Colombia - 81/120
Guatemala - 79/120
El Salvador - 86/120
Chile - 83/120
Bhutan - 85/120
Macao - 70/120
Mongolia - 75/120
Myanmar - 70/120
Uzbekistan - 76/120
Albania - 78/120
Latvia - 87/120
Croatia - 92/120
Algeria - 75/120
Israel - 94/120
Jordan - 76/120

Lebanon - 81/120
Kuwait - 67/120
United Kingdom - 93/120
Ukraine - 84/120
Slovakia - 88/120
Portugal - 96/120
Norway - 94/120
Lithuania - 87/120
Iceland - 95/120
Hungary - 91/120
Turkmenistan - 80/120
Taiwan - 74/120
Malaysia - 88/120
Uruguay - 93/120
Nicaragua - 84/120
Jamaica - 79/120
Dominican Republic - 80/120
Sierra Leona - 69/120
Mozambique - 66/120
Liberia - 68/120
Congo - 61/120

France - 88/120
Greece - 88/120
Finland - 97/120
Canada - 91/120
USA - 86/120
South Africa - 97/120
Zimbabwe - 89/120
Nigeria - 78/120
Madagascar - 78/120
Nepal - 77/120
Philippines - 88/120
Azerbaijan - 74/120
Bangladesh - 82/120

Tunisia - 77/120
Argentina - 94/120
Brazil - 86/120
Mexico - 86/120
Venezuela - 84/120
China - 76/120
Indonesia - 79/120
Japan - 67/120
S. Korea - 81/120
N. Korea - 75/120
Viet Nam - 70/120
Albania - 78/120
Denmark - 100/120
Germany - 96/120
Italy - 88/120
Netherlands - 101/120
Russia - 85/120
Spain - 88/120
Turkey - 77/120
Egypt - 80/120
Iran - 77/120
Morocco - 77/120
UAE - 64/120
West Bank - no data
Saudi Arabia - 62/120

Singapore - 99/120
India - 90/120
Pakistan - 88/120
Ethiopia - 76/120
Angola - 67/120
Kenya - 76/120
Cuba - 78/120
Costa Rica - 93/120
Ecuador - 84/120
Iraq - 74/120
Afghanistan - 71/120
Thailand - 74/120
Hong Kong - 81/120
Austria - 97/120
Belarus - 87/120

Gambia - 59/120
Guinea - 68/120
Mauritania - 62/120
Mauritius - 94/120
Niger - 69/120
Reunion - 89/120
Rwanda - 69/120
Somalia - 69/120
Tanzania - 66/120
Uganda - 80/120
Zambia - 86/120

World average (2009): 79/120 ; China: 76/120 ; India: 90/120
 
India has 27 different national languages and we are very proud our diversity unlike you..when ever people from a particular state talk ..they prefer to talk in their mother tongues..unless other wise in presence of company from different state, which is when they talk in English.(as it is considered impolite)

..Is Urdu the only mother tongue in Pakistan..you have no other national language in Pakistan?..How does a non Urdu speaking Baloch or Pakhtun talk to a Pakistani Punjabi in US?..or is it yet to happen?

We are proud speaking in our mother tongues as well, but almost Pakistanis are very fluent in our national language as well, which holds great pride for us. For example: as a Bihari, I speak Bhojpuri with my parents & grandparents, & speak Urdu with the rest of the Pakistani people I know with great pride. Punjabis will speak in Punjabi with one another, Balochis will speak Balochi/Persian with each other, Pakhtuns will speak Paktho with each other, Sindhis will speak in Sindhi with one another, Gujaratis will speak in Gujarati with one another, people from Chitral speak in Chitrali with one another, as well as many other languages. Pakistan is very diverse as well in many ways my friend. However, when different ethnic groups speak to each other, we are fluent enough to communicate with each other in Urdu, & take great pride in using Urdu with one another. Urdu is a great source of pride for all of us, & almost all Pakistanis are very fluent at speaking it.

When Indians go to Western countries, they are divided amongst each other, in terms of Gujaratis, Maharashtrians, Punjabis, Southies etc. Every Pakistani calls themselves "Pakistanis" in the West, no one refers to themselves in terms of their ethnic groups. Indians belonging from different states have problems in communicating with one another if they are poor in both Hindi & English, & this is the case found with Indians that come from smaller cities in India.
 
@Bigoren

it's not the question of pride for indians to talk in english!! maybe you should do a bit of research before passing the judgement. We indians grow up with learning many languages.. not because it's a necessity.. but it's the part of our growing up. for some.. there is a language at home, then there is state language, then there is a language of the medium they study in, then there is a language of choice, like hindi, french or local!! most of the people tend to communicate in english with outsiders, but if you ask them howmany languages they know.. you might be surprised to hear the answer. every indian would know minimum of three languages!! most them will have command over five to six different languages.
 
China is ranked 29th, and India is 30th.
What's the big fuss about it?

By the way, here's a more comprehensive data that pertains to a much more competitive exam and includes a bigger population that took the exam. (Not a free internet test for those who WANT to learn English, rather those who learned it and test their skills at it)

Average TOEFL iBT Score by Country

Gabon - 71/120
Mali - 57/120
Chad - 71/120
Cote D'Ivoire - 66/120
Netherlands Antilles - 80/120
Paraguay - 84/102
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 84/120
Cyprus - 78/120
Faroe Islands - 87/120
Georgia - 80/120
Luxembourg - 99/120
Macedonia - 85/120
Moldova - 85/120
Montenegro - 83/120
Serbia - 86/120
Poland - 88/120
Bahrain - 76/120
Oman - 66/120
French Polynesia - 80/120
Yemen - 67/120
Syria - 76/120
Sudan - 72/120
Qatar - 61/120
Palestine Territories - 70/120
Libya - 64/120
Slovenia - 95/120
Romania - 93/120
Monaco - 83/120

Kyrgyzstan - 81/120
Tajikistan - 67/120
Sri Lanka - 81/120
Lao - 60/120
Cambodia - 68/120
Armenia - 82/120
Czech R. - 91/120
Estonia - 96/120
Belgium - 97/120
Bulgaria - 87/120
Kosovo - 74/120
Benin - 64/120
Burkina Faso - 65/120
Congo - 72/120
Togo - 68/120
Honduras - 85/120
Puerto Rico - 88/120

Botswana - 84/120
Ghana - 76/120
Senegal - 65/120
Bolivia - 80/120
Colombia - 81/120
Guatemala - 79/120
El Salvador - 86/120
Chile - 83/120
Bhutan - 85/120
Macao - 70/120
Mongolia - 75/120
Myanmar - 70/120
Uzbekistan - 76/120
Albania - 78/120
Latvia - 87/120
Croatia - 92/120
Algeria - 75/120
Israel - 94/120
Jordan - 76/120

Lebanon - 81/120
Kuwait - 67/120
United Kingdom - 93/120
Ukraine - 84/120
Slovakia - 88/120
Portugal - 96/120
Norway - 94/120
Lithuania - 87/120
Iceland - 95/120
Hungary - 91/120
Turkmenistan - 80/120
Taiwan - 74/120
Malaysia - 88/120
Uruguay - 93/120
Nicaragua - 84/120
Jamaica - 79/120
Dominican Republic - 80/120
Sierra Leona - 69/120
Mozambique - 66/120
Liberia - 68/120
Congo - 61/120

France - 88/120
Greece - 88/120
Finland - 97/120
Canada - 91/120
USA - 86/120
South Africa - 97/120
Zimbabwe - 89/120
Nigeria - 78/120
Madagascar - 78/120
Nepal - 77/120
Philippines - 88/120
Azerbaijan - 74/120
Bangladesh - 82/120

Tunisia - 77/120
Argentina - 94/120
Brazil - 86/120
Mexico - 86/120
Venezuela - 84/120
China - 76/120
Indonesia - 79/120
Japan - 67/120
S. Korea - 81/120
N. Korea - 75/120
Viet Nam - 70/120
Albania - 78/120
Denmark - 100/120
Germany - 96/120
Italy - 88/120
Netherlands - 101/120
Russia - 85/120
Spain - 88/120
Turkey - 77/120
Egypt - 80/120
Iran - 77/120
Morocco - 77/120
UAE - 64/120
West Bank - no data
Saudi Arabia - 62/120

Singapore - 99/120
India - 90/120
Pakistan - 88/120
Ethiopia - 76/120
Angola - 67/120
Kenya - 76/120
Cuba - 78/120
Costa Rica - 93/120
Ecuador - 84/120
Iraq - 74/120
Afghanistan - 71/120
Thailand - 74/120
Hong Kong - 81/120
Austria - 97/120
Belarus - 87/120

Gambia - 59/120
Guinea - 68/120
Mauritania - 62/120
Mauritius - 94/120
Niger - 69/120
Reunion - 89/120
Rwanda - 69/120
Somalia - 69/120
Tanzania - 66/120
Uganda - 80/120
Zambia - 86/120

World average (2009): 79/120 ; China: 76/120 ; India: 90/120

USA score, 86/120. India score, 90/120.

So this shows that Indians speak better English than Americans. HA!
 
I can smell the Imbecile Quotient arguments nearby.

Bephore the argooments getz nashty let me phirst congraatulate China. It iz a tremendouz pheat to come to this lebhel.
 
USA score, 86/120. India score, 90/120.

So this shows that Indians speak better English than Americans. HA!

Of all the TOEFL test takers... you bet they do!!!

It is about the level of merit in respective countries. An American scoring 700 in GMAT is considered in the same intellectual strata in his country as an Indian scoring 750 in the same test in his country. Go figure.
 
We are proud speaking in our mother tongues as well, but almost Pakistanis are very fluent in our national language as well, which holds great pride for us. For example: as a Bihari, I speak Bhojpuri with my parents & grandparents, & speak Urdu with the rest of the Pakistani people I know with great pride. Punjabis will speak in Punjabi with one another, Balochis will speak Balochi/Persian with each other, Pakhtuns will speak Paktho with each other, Sindhis will speak in Sindhi with one another, Gujaratis will speak in Gujarati with one another, people from Chitral speak in Chitrali with one another, as well as many other languages. Pakistan is very diverse as well in many ways my friend. However, when different ethnic groups speak to each other, we are fluent enough to communicate with each other in Urdu, & take great pride in using Urdu with one another. Urdu is a great source of pride for all of us, & almost all Pakistanis are very fluent at speaking it.

When Indians go to Western countries, they are divided amongst each other, in terms of Gujaratis, Maharashtrians, Punjabis, Southies etc. Every Pakistani calls themselves "Pakistanis" in the West, no one refers to themselves in terms of their ethnic groups. Indians belonging from different states have problems in communicating with one another if they are poor in both Hindi & English, & this is the case found with Indians that come from smaller cities in India.

Really!! so you are saying that all Pakistanis know urdu?
 
I can smell the Imbecile Quotient arguments nearby.

Bephore the argooments getz nashty let me phirst congraatulate China. It iz a tremendouz pheat to come to this lebhel.

Good Indian accent :tup:

---------- Post added at 11:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:59 PM ----------

Really!! so you are saying that Pakistani know urdu?

Yes, Pakistanis take great pride in knowing their national language besides their mother tongue. So yes, most Pakistanis are very fluent in Urdu.
 

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