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China's first space nuclear propulsion technology laboratory set up
2015年08月31日 星期一

Science and Technology Daily News (Zhou 薛英民 reporter Li Yan) reporter August 26 was informed from the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation five branches of 502, our first nuclear propulsion technology laboratory in Beijing recently set up a space laboratory will be the development of China's aerospace strategy for traction, targeting deep space exploration mission requirements, applied research project carried out in space nuclear propulsion technology.

Nuclear space propulsion research starting in the 1950s, mainly in the United States, Russia, the two countries have completed a lot of ground verification, made a series of remarkable results. The current international aerospace industry generally believe that space nuclear propulsion technology will become the future of mankind to explore the universe of revolutionary means, have an extremely broad mandate prospects, and has significant performance and cost advantages.

It is understood that the lab by the five branches of 502 led the joint China Institute of Atomic Energy Reactor Engineering Design Institute, Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics was founded. 502 is one of the earliest units conducting space nuclear propulsion systems research. Relevant responsible person said, the laboratory will seize the opportunity of China's space science and technology and the rapid development of nuclear science and technology, exploring good operating system and management mechanism, give full play to the advantages of three units, to develop space nuclear propulsion business, truly powerful combination, complementary advantages, to achieve "Training + science + project application" deep integration, play a leading and exemplary role. At the same time cultivate a number of major scientific and technological achievements, to better meet national strategic needs, and strive to build a leading, world-class joint laboratory.


我国首个空间核推进技术联合实验室成立
--中国科技网

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China, for one, welcomes our ROBOT SPACE ANT overlords

Senior official says six-legged bots offer a greater leap for mankind than rolling rovers
16 Oct 2015 at 04:55, Simon Sharwood
China's signalled its intention to develop robotics for deep space missions.

The signals came in the form of a speech by Liu Jizhong, director of the lunar exploration program and space engineering center at China's State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense. Liu's speech, reported by Chinese state organ xinhua

Liu identifies a few missions he thinks China should pursue, suggesting them because they'd make the Middle Kingdom a space innovator. Among his ideas are:

• Placing a lander on the far side of the moon, supported by a satellite at the L2 Lagrange point beyond Luna's orbit, is one mission. Developing such a satellite would, it's hoped, make it possible to explore the Moon's poles (where they may be water ice) and therefore enable development of a Lunar base;
• A heavy-lift vehicle with a payload of 100,000 kilograms to help establish a moon base or to fuel deep space exploration. Today's heavy lifters can't do half that, even to low earth orbit. Elon Musk's planned Falcon Heavy is planned to haul 53,000 kg. China's planned Long March V will have a maximum capacity of 25,000 kg.
• Developing robotics, preferably a six-legged ant analogue, to retrieve samples from an asteroid to further our understanding of the solar system's development. Ant-like bots are suggested as a more flexible advance on rolling rovers;
• Faster propulsion technologies to deliver probes to deep space in shorter times.

When senior Chinese officials make speeches like this, and they find their way into Xinhua, it's often more a very strong signal about governmental desires than a thought bubble. China's space program is already vigorous: the nation is planning more moon rovers and has a space station on the drawing board. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/16/china_for_one_welcomes_our_robot_space_ant_overlords/

 

[JSCh]

China aims to go deeper into space
(Xinhua) Updated: 2015-10-15 16:05

BEIJING - As China's exploration of the moon progresses, its space experts have begun considering going deeper into the solar system - to Mars, asteroids and Jupiter - and a manned deep-space mission.

At a recent conference on deep-space exploration in Harbin, capital of northeast China's Heilongjiang Province, an official urged scientists and technologists to have a pioneering spirit.

"When exploring the unknown, we should not just follow others. China should be more creative," said Liu Jizhong, director of the lunar exploration program and space engineering center under the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense.

He pointed out that China still needs to tackle key problems, such as how to go into deep space at higher speeds; generating energy and power; and developing space robots that can work in the complicated space environment.

China should also strengthen international cooperation. "Exploring space is a great undertaking for the whole of humankind, and China should shoulder its responsibilities as a big country. Through international cooperation, we can learn from each other and jointly contribute," Liu said.

FAR SIDE OF THE MOON

Some Chinese scientists have suggested landing a probe on the far side of the moon, which would be unprecedented. Although China has not officially announced the plan, experts have begun to prepare the technologies needed.

Zhang Lihua, a researcher with China Spacesat Co., Ltd., said exploring the far side of the moon is of great scientific importance. Many countries have designed their own plans for such a mission.

It would require a relay satellite, which would be used for communication and navigation on the L2- or Lagrange point where the satellite could orbit within the combined gravitational pull of the Earth-moon system, said Zhang.

Lin Yilu, a senior engineer of the Shanghai Aerospace Systems Engineering Institute, said developing a lunar relay satellite is necessary for future lunar exploration, sending astronauts to the moon, as well as setting up a lunar base.

"If China expands the range of its lunar exploration, such as exploring the south and north poles and the far side of the moon, it needs a constellation of satellites covering different areas of the moon's surface," said Lin.

MANNED OR UNMANNED?

China has yet to start a manned deep-space exploration program, and experts hotly debate whether it's necessary to send humans into deep space, or just let robots do the job.

Guo Linli, a researcher with the China Academy of Space Technology (CAST), said humans will inevitably go deeper into space from near Earth orbit to the moon and then to Mars.

"Can robots replace humans to explore deep space? My view is that robots are suitable for repetitive, heavy loading, and fixed and known work. But it needs human wisdom to decide on unknown work that cannot be simulated in lab, such as surveying and choosing a site for a future lunar base," Guo said.

However, such ambitions come with a cost, and the biggest would be for the greatly increased scale of the spacecraft and rockets. It would need a heavy-lift launch vehicle with a capacity of more than 100 tonnes to send four astronauts to the moon, and environmental control and life support systems would be essential too, Guo said.

Compared with unmanned deep space exploration, manned missions would have fewer possible destinations and the cost and difficulties would be much greater. Currently, only the moon, Mars and asteroids are considered, Guo said.

Humans and robots will each have advantages, and will work together in exploring the deep space far into the future.

ASTEROID "ANTS"

In recent years, asteroids have become a focus of international space exploration. Scientists say asteroids hold materials that could unlock the secrets of the birth of the solar system and the origin of life.

Chinese experts are discussing the feasibility of sending a landing probe and retrieve samples from an asteroid.

But how could a probe land and move on an asteroid that might have an odd shape, almost zero gravity and complicated environment?

Zhang Wangjun, a senior CAST engineer, said wheeled robots like the U.S. Mars rover Curiosity have played an important role in space exploration. But robots with feet are more suitable for moving on hilly terrain with many obstacles.

"Robots with feet can avoid and cross obstacles more easily. We are researching two-feet, four-feet and six-feet robots. It seems that a six-feet robot has more advantages in mobility and flexibility in the complicated environment," Zhang said.

This finding echoes those in the United States, Europe and Japan, where researchers have developed robots imitating cockroaches, spiders and ants.

However, he said, current research only meets the industrial requirements. It is still a long way to go to adapting a robot to the environment of an asteroid.

Zhang has devised asteroid-probing robots like a pair of "ants" that can work independently or cooperatively.

 

[BoQ77]

LOL ... @BoQ77 just wanna prove China is a 'Paper-Dragon' or bad-quality of China weapons compared with U.S advanced toys, and how Russia missile (gift for Vietnam) can easily defeat Chinese toys.

This thread isn't for one way statement, as I mentioned in the first post.
So feel free to correct me with firm evidences, if I write any wrong info.

 

[BoQ77]

For example, I just dont want to watch others discussing hardly about whether Gaofen-4 can detect an aircraft carrier or not but no one tried to really think about with its imager actual resolution 50m, what the image from it look likes.

Same to another case, a guy thought HQ-9 system could detect and intercept a low flying object at 200km just because specs said range 25-200km, altitude 25m-27km

 

[kungfugymnast]

This thread isn't for one way statement, as I mentioned in the first post.
So feel free to correct me with firm evidences, if I write any wrong info.

Thanks for bringing up this thread and topic. Satellites nowadays have been commercialized ranging from low light, thermal with superb zoom, unaffected by poor weather, clear image, etc that some of them could perform better than military satellites due to better funding and for profit making purposes. As for chinese satellites and optronic sensors, they should be effective. Stealth aircrafts can never hide completely from satellites.

China's low radio wave is result from anti-stealth test alongside Russia done in Serbia on US stealth aircraft during Kosovo war. They should have some effectiveness there as the Serbians managed to track and shoot the f117 down after the Russians and Chinese researchers have done detection testing on stealth aircraft.

If American stealth tech has been defeated, Lockheed would probably go back to drawing board and redesign conventional variant of f22 and f35 that are lighter and more maneuverable

 

[applesauce]

China's low radio wave is result from anti-stealth test alongside Russia done in Serbia on US stealth aircraft during Kosovo war. They should have some effectiveness there as the Serbians managed to track and shoot the f117 down after the Russians and Chinese researchers have done detection testing on stealth aircraft.

If American stealth tech has been defeated, Lockheed would probably go back to drawing board and redesign conventional variant of f22 and f35 that are lighter and more maneuverable

now both china and russia have 5th gen prototypes, they can easily test their sensors against those to get a ballpark feel as to the effectiveness against the likes of the F-22.

 

[Globenim]

"Lets talk about true performance" is just dishonestly minced words trying to discredit the achievements of China, implying previous records and deliberately ignored numerous topics full of information would be "untrue" or don't even exist and create a contradicting narrative with obscured quotes of absolutely biased, twisted and baseless anti chinese propaganda pieces from ridiculously unobjective and routenly lying western and indian yellow press like The Hindu or ignorant comments from anonymous anti-Chinese spammer like BoQ77 himself.

The Chinese will reap what they sow.
The CCP is helping ISIS and the radicals to recruit more volunteers.

China is Fakeland.Agree? Or don't?

TS is shameless China IB.
Reality
"YouTube: China's Ruthless Crackdown On Its Muslim Population"

We can cope with this dilemma here and in many parts of SE Asia. Why China cannot?

Was Mao Zedong a pedophile?He was rumoured to like young women, some as young as 16-17, when he was in his 70 or 80s.

Thats is not a representation of "Chinese netizens" opinions on Chinese military capabilities. Thats just routine trolling by another anti Chinese troll poster who does not even consider himself as Chinese on a Singaporean forum. OP could just as well quote himself.

Cherrypicking and explicitely searching for obviously biased and unobjective propaganda and polemic trolling (and hiding the sources because of the obvious bias) is not "trying to find the truth" about anyones anything.

This is not a serious thread just pushing the same old agenda with unsubstantial trolling.

 

[BoQ77]

The purpose - So it's time for busting the myth created by rumors, one-way conclusion...
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There's still not thread for this type of defence system and we simply can't ignore the need of them. They're too important for any country.

With them, you could defeat stealth fighters while still have no stealth fighters.
defeat submarines while still have no submarine deployed.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Actually that image is not to scale. This is a little better.

 

[BoQ77]

you could click on the image in my post to enlarge the image to full size.

 

[cirr]

A rather odd NOTAMN

A2963/15 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/4311N11651E204
A) ZBPE ZYSH B) 1510170100 C) 1510170300
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N421644E1123144-N422305E1130513-N441308E1170100-N442725E1175556-
N440513E1202552-N442309E1202515-N442620E1210838-N435145E1211019-
N434527E1202642-N440955E1175715-N440241E1170720-N415913E1131200
N415517E1123342BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-5000M(AMSL).
F) SFC G) 5000M AMSL

Any guess what it might be？

 

[kungfugymnast]

now both china and russia have 5th gen prototypes, they can easily test their sensors against those to get a ballpark feel as to the effectiveness against the likes of the F-22.

They could test their new stealth aircraft by flying near US naval fleet on border patrol. If there's no warning from US forces, that means the stealth is working. America tested by stealth this way too, first with South American radar and CGI.

 

[gambit]

They could test their new stealth aircraft by flying near US naval fleet on border patrol. If there's no warning from US forces, that means the stealth is working. America tested by stealth this way too, first with South American radar and CGI.

Wrong.

You do not know of our sensor technology. I have said before on this forum and will repeat for your benefit since you are new here: The US defeated 'stealth' a long time ago.

I will not say how or when. Suffice to say that if anyone try to test their 'stealth' aircrafts against our sensors, our silence does not mean anything except in a war. But by then, it will be too late.

Thanks for bringing up this thread and topic. Satellites nowadays have been commercialized ranging from low light, thermal with superb zoom, unaffected by poor weather, clear image, etc that some of them could perform better than military satellites due to better funding and for profit making purposes. As for chinese satellites and optronic sensors, they should be effective. Stealth aircrafts can never hide completely from satellites.

China's low radio wave is result from anti-stealth test alongside Russia done in Serbia on US stealth aircraft during Kosovo war. They should have some effectiveness there as the Serbians managed to track and shoot the f117 down after the Russians and Chinese researchers have done detection testing on stealth aircraft.

If American stealth tech has been defeated, Lockheed would probably go back to drawing board and redesign conventional variant of f22 and f35 that are lighter and more maneuverable

BS. The F-117 flew hundreds of sorties in Yugoslavia. NATO flew total of over 30,000 sorties, including 60 B-2 sorties from CONUS and return. We lost only two aircrafts: one F-117 and one F-16.

That is a terrible air defense combat record. Two out of thirty thousands ? No wonder the Serbs made so much of that single F-117 shot down. So whatever that Dani Zoltan did to his radar proved he got lucky.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Wrong.

You do not know of our sensor technology. I have said before on this forum and will repeat for your benefit since you are new here: The US defeated 'stealth' a long time ago.

I will not say how or when. Suffice to say that if anyone try to test their 'stealth' aircrafts against our sensors, our silence does not mean anything except in a war. But by then, it will be too late.


BS. The F-117 flew hundreds of sorties in Yugoslavia. NATO flew total of over 30,000 sorties, including 60 B-2 sorties from CONUS and return. We lost only two aircrafts: one F-117 and one F-16.

That is a terrible air defense combat record. Two out of thirty thousands ? No wonder the Serbs made so much of that single F-117 shot down. So whatever that Dani Zoltan did to his radar proved he got lucky.

Do you know that ever since that single F-117 was shot down, US no longer send in another stealth aircraft into Serbia. Americans knew the Russians and Chinese were up to something fishy on defeating stealth analysis monitoring US stealth planes that often take on the same route that they think safe. The Russians and Chinese researchers only positioned spotters and various sensors along that same old waypoint and waited for stealth aircraft to pass by. .

Americans been taking on weak countries after Vietnam war. Iraq was a bankrupt when it was first attacked by Americans. Saddam could not afford the new mass replacement of most of his aging fleet of fighters, tanks, SAMs, etc due to debts. America imposed arms embargo on Iraq until Russia could not sell them weapons in terms of repayment with fuel leaving Iraq defenseless in 2007 invasion.

That tiny and poor Serbians could shot down an 1x F-16C and 1x F-117 stealth nighthawk is considered remarkable. Don't forget that the Serbians got nothing left after its logistics, supplies and bases been badly bombarded by pre-emptive strikes.

If the Serbians and Iraqis could afford to have all the latest arsenals at its time, the 2S6, complete SA-17 Buk missile system with long range SA-6 Grumble while its airforce could afford to have new Mig-29SMT and Su-27M/30M with ability to shoot down cruise missiles, your air force would have suffered serious losses.

Many countries are actually happy that Chinese would go to further extend to replicate Western military equipments and sell them at affordable price. Things would be better if Russian would go joint venture with Chinese which would advance further since China has the budget while Russia has the brains.

 

[gambit]

Do you know that ever since that single F-117 was shot down, US no longer send in another stealth aircraft into Serbia.

That make no sense. Vega-31 was shot down in March 1999. The F-117 continued its missions in Yugoslavia well past March. You are making up 'facts'.

Americans been taking on weak countries after Vietnam war. Iraq was a bankrupt when it was first attacked by Americans. Saddam could not afford the new mass replacement of most of his aging fleet of fighters, tanks, SAMs, etc due to debts. America imposed arms embargo on Iraq until Russia could not sell them weapons in terms of repayment with fuel leaving Iraq defenseless in 2007 invasion.

If you want to debate that route, then what has your China been doing ? Nothing. The PLA has practically zero combat experience compare to US.

That tiny and poor Serbians could shot down an 1x F-16C and 1x F-117 stealth nighthawk is considered remarkable. Don't forget that the Serbians got nothing left after its logistics, supplies and bases been badly bombarded by pre-emptive strikes.

There was nothing 'remarkable' about it. You fly many jets, you will lose some. That is war.

What was truly remarkable is that for over 30,000 sorties, only two aircrafts were lost.

If the Serbians and Iraqis could afford to have all the latest arsenals at its time, the 2S6, complete SA-17 Buk missile system with long range SA-6 Grumble while its airforce could afford to have new Mig-29SMT and Su-27M/30M with ability to shoot down cruise missiles, your air force would have suffered serious losses.

How about 'if the Serbians had the Death Star'...

Looks like am debating a teenager still in high school.