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China solar giant Suntech declares bankruptcy

I am talking about solar energy industry and indians are minows in it. dont you read!
suzlon is f%cked out of China. FACT!

Suzlon is in Wind Energy, and still among world's top 5.

You see, China is not the end of the world, one can expand in many horizons, even if one market doesn't pan out well. FACT!
 
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Bullshit shuttler....your companies stole tech under the guise of Joint Ventures. (Sinovel and others-this is well documented, no China bashing-just truth)
Then your government, desperate to make anything look profitable started dumping cash onto a few companies to subsidize their product, making it artificially cheaper. This is what lead to anti dumping charges.
This all on the backdrop of an already severely saturated Chinese solar panel market. CCP made the wise choice to stop the patient on life support. Suntech probably wont be the only one to go, there is one or two candidates in the wind turbine business as well.


Bull **** cheerleading audio. if you talk about trade subsidies, the us has subsidised their agricultural sector for centuries yet their products are dumping all over the world

We are one of the leading solar panel manufacturers in world. indians are kids.

Let me see if there are any indian corps which willl go down the ditches. kingfisher is bellied up isnt it!

Suzlon is in Wind Energy, and still among world's top 5.

You see, China is not the end of the world, one can expand in many horizons, even if one market doesn't pan out well. FACT!

OMG we are all talking about SOLAR energy here. what solar has to do with wind for heavens' sake!
 
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Dont worry India will crumble under its own weight. The reason being white people are ruling and fooling billion plus shameless brown folks who revere such a lady as if she is a sister in law of GOD.
She is sure to do a fujimori on India...

Post reported for insulting Indians :angry:
 
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Bull **** cheerleading audio. if you talk about trade subsidies, the us has subsidised their agricultural sector for centuries yet their products are dumping all over the world

We are one of the leading solar panel manufacturers in world. indians are kids.

Let me see if there are any indian corps which willl go down the ditches. kingfisher is bellied up isnt it!

You have a choice to not import American subsidized stuff. Or you can put tariffs on. This is no answer, but hey, deflecting is the name of the game.
 
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OMG we are all talking about SOLAR energy here. what solar has to do with wind for heavens' sake!

Just clearing your misconception about Suzlon, which is not in Solar energy, as you thought.

I am talking about solar energy industry and indians are minows in it. dont you read!
suzlon is f%cked out of China. FACT!
 
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Caterpillar Shares Are Falling After It Reveals A Big Accounting Problem At A Chinese Company It Acquired

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Shares of Caterpillar, the world's largest construction equipment manufacturer, are falling in pre-market trading today following the company's announcement of a big writedown, made Friday after the closing bell.
The $580 million charge relates to an acquisition Caterpillar made in China last year. It paid $800 million for the company, Siwei, but the target company's management team had apparently been fudging the books for quite some time before that, leading Caterpillar to wildly overpay for the acquisition.
BofA Merrill Lynch analyst Ross Gjilardi has a good summary of the writedown:
Big impairment charge tied to Siwei acquisition
After the Friday close, Caterpillar announced that it will take a $580mn, or $0.87 per share non-cash goodwill accounting charge in Q412. The impairment comes in connection with the acquisition of ERA Mining Machinery and its Siwei subsidiary. The impairment arises from a determination by Caterpillar that Siwei senior managers engaged in accounting misconduct for several years prior to Caterpillar’s $800mn acquisition of Siwei in mid-2012. The size of the charge equates to less than 1% of CAT’s market cap (but nearly 10% of adjusted 2012E EPS), but does not help perception of CAT’s China growth strategy, which is important to the long-term investment case, in our view.
Accounting related issue – ongoing investigation
Caterpillar has determined that several Siwei senior managers engaged in deliberate misconduct beginning several years prior to the acquisition. According to CAT’s 8-K, the managers have been dismissed and replaced with a new leadership team, with the manufacturing operations rolled into Caterpillar’s China operations division. CAT’s extensive review identified improper revenue recognition practices and cost allocation that resulted in overstated profit. Caterpillar is reviewing litigation closely and other options to recoup losses and is conducting an ongoing investigation.
As Gjilardi noted, the charge will come out of Q4 2012 earnings, to be reported Monday, January 28.
James Parker notes at the Diplomat that Siwei was part of one of the infamous "reverse mergers" that have plagued Chinese listings in recent years:
Caterpillar last June acquired ERA Mining Machinery Ltd, a HK-listed company that was in fact the result of a “backdoor listing” of Siwei, a Zhengzhou-based company which provides equipment for the mining industry. Siwei had undertaken a “reverse merger” with ERA Holdings Global Ltd (a “secretarial services” company listed on HK that had no relation to mining or construction) in 2010, and had thus been effectively trading on HK’s Growth Enterprise Market.
Reverse mergers, which rose to infamy during recent short-seller provoked attacks on such firms trading in the United States and Canada, are a common way for companies to be listed without going through the more expensive (and revealing) regulatory and media scrutiny of an Initial Public Offering (IPO).
Below is the full press release issued by Caterpillar, complete with a Q&A:
PEORIA, Ill., Jan. 18, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Caterpillar Inc. (CAT) today announced that an internal investigation of its recently acquired company, ERA Mining Machinery Limited (ERA), including its wholly owned subsidiary Zhengzhou Siwei Mechanical & Electrical Manufacturing Co., Ltd., commonly known as "Siwei," has uncovered deliberate, multi-year, coordinated accounting misconduct concealed at Siwei, located in Zhengzhou, China.
Caterpillar's investigation determined several Siwei senior managers engaged in deliberate misconduct beginning several years prior to Caterpillar's acquisition of Siwei. This deliberate misconduct at Siwei will result in a non-cash goodwill impairment charge of approximately $580 million, or $0.87 per share, in the fourth quarter of 2012.
Caterpillar removed several senior managers at Siwei who were responsible for the misconduct and a new leadership team has been put in place. The responsibilities for Siwei manufacturing operations have been moved to Caterpillar's China Operations Division, led by Vice President Qihua Chen, a long time Caterpillar employee. The sales and support organization at Siwei will report to Kebao Yang, Caterpillar Global Mining General Manager for China and Korea.
"The actions carried out by these individuals are offensive and completely unacceptable. This conduct does not represent, in any way, shape or form, the way Caterpillar does business or how we expect our employees to work, which is spelled out in Caterpillar's Worldwide Code of Conduct," said Caterpillar Chairman and CEO Doug Oberhelman. "Once our investigation confirmed that misconduct had taken place at Siwei, we moved quickly and decisively to hold the responsible leaders directly accountable for the wrongdoing. Accountability is a critical way that we measure leaders at Caterpillar, and it is my expectation that leaders set an example and are accountable for their actions and results."
Caterpillar has advised the Hong Kong Securities and Futures Commission of these issues and has filed a Form 8-K with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission disclosing the impairment charge. Caterpillar's investigation is ongoing.
"Despite these actions we continue to believe that the Siwei acquisition is well aligned with our strategy to expand our role as a leading equipment and solutions provider for the Chinese coal mining industry," said Steve Wunning, Caterpillar group president with responsibility for Resource Industries. "We intend to utilize Siwei roof support products and manufacturing capabilities, combined with Caterpillar's strong commitment to technical innovation and safety, to help our mining customers in China become more efficient and safer within their mines," Wunning added.
Additional background on Siwei acquisition:
In November of 2011, Caterpillar and ERA jointly announced a pre-conditional voluntary offer by Caterpillar, through a wholly owned subsidiary, for all of the issued shares of ERA, which at that time was a publicly traded company on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. ERA primarily designed, manufactured, sold and supported underground coal mining equipment in China through its wholly owned subsidiary, Siwei.
In June of 2012, Caterpillar announced the completion of its tender offer for ERA, including its wholly owned subsidiary Siwei. The tender offer was completed after approval from the Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China (MOFCOM).
Siwei has a manufacturing base of 600,000 square meters and employs about 4,000 people in Zhengzhou, Henan province, where Caterpillar intends to continue manufacturing roof support equipment to serve underground mining customers in China.
Questions and Answers:
Q1: Does the discovery of this misconduct at Siwei change Caterpillar's strategy for China or its view of the mining industry?
A: No. Caterpillar has 23 existing manufacturing facilities in China, four new facilities under construction, four Research & Development (R&D) centers and three logistics and parts centers, employing more than 15,000 people across the country. In addition, China produces and consumes more coal than any other country in the world. Our strategy to expand our coal mining business in China is unchanged, and we are optimistic about the underground coal mining equipment opportunities.
The accounting misconduct that occurred at Siwei does not reflect the way Caterpillar does business and is not in keeping with our Worldwide Code of Conduct.
The actions of the individuals involved were clearly wrong and purposely designed to overstate the profitability of the company prior to our acquisition. This does not change our plans to develop, grow, and improve the business.


Fraud At Caterpillar Chinese Subsidiary - Business Insider
 
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You talking about those 13.000 pigs that never learned to swim?

correct! 13,000 cheerleading indians

Maturing my ass, cutting corners wherever possible is maturing for you.....:omghaha:

you dont seem to know your indian economy vs ours!

It is already biting you in your behind, through environmental concerns and when national healthcare reform will be instated, there will be a huge bill to pay to all those disabled who lost their limbs in the factories in the last 20 years.

you have to wait several hours for that.

Of course we have our social and environmental issues to deal with. These will generate impetuses into our economy!
 
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Not a big deal, China has more than 80 solar panel manufacturers, and most of them will close their business for sure. We will be still one dominant force in this area.

With so much useless foreign reserve, we don't really need money.
 
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Dont worry India will crumble under its own weight. The reason being white people are ruling and fooling billion plus shameless brown folks who revere such a lady as if she is a sister in law of GOD.
She is sure to do a fujimori on India...

They know what is going to occur with their troubling social issues - many of those are the worst in the world. Why should we let indian woes trouble us?

You have a choice to not import American subsidized stuff. Or you can put tariffs on. This is no answer, but hey, deflecting is the name of the game.

bull ****! the americans subsidies on agricutltural products is already a de facto dumping and it violates WTO rules
 
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F.vck sh!t you retard, you f.vcks learnt to make solar panels by stealing the technology from others in the form of joint ventures.
talk on the matter, this has nothing to do with Indian companies or any wind turbine companies,stop derailing the topic if you f.vcking retards don't have the skills to debate on the matter.

case reported for repeated vulgarity!:mod:
 
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correct! cheerleading indians



you dont seem to know your indian economy vs ours!



you have to wait several hours for that.

Of course we have our social and environmental issues to deal with. These will generate impetuses into our economy!

:omghaha:

Impetus? You wanna hear about impetus?

Spending 850 billion$ in order to make water not hazardous to be handled by humans for industrial use. Not consumption, not swimming, just make it non toxic enough for industry.
Sounds just like an enormous bill to pay, not an impetus which would bring any forward momentum. You can add more bills on top of that when eventually the water will (?) be brought up to standards safe for humans to swim/consume.

After China's multibillion-dollar cleanup, water still unfit to drink | Reuters

Calling me Indian is not helping your case in any regards.
 
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Caterpillar Shares Are Falling After It Reveals A Big Accounting Problem At A Chinese Company It Acquired

caterpillar-8.jpg


Shares of Caterpillar, the world's largest construction equipment manufacturer, are falling in pre-market trading today following the company's announcement of a big writedown, made Friday after the closing bell.
The $580 million charge relates to an acquisition Caterpillar made in China last year. It paid $800 million for the company, Siwei, but the target company's management team had apparently been fudging the books for quite some time before that, leading Caterpillar to wildly overpay for the acquisition.
BofA Merrill Lynch analyst Ross Gjilardi has a good summary of the writedown:
Big impairment charge tied to Siwei acquisition
After the Friday close, Caterpillar announced that it will take a $580mn, or $0.87 per share non-cash goodwill accounting charge in Q412. The impairment comes in connection with the acquisition of ERA Mining Machinery and its Siwei subsidiary. The impairment arises from a determination by Caterpillar that Siwei senior managers engaged in accounting misconduct for several years prior to Caterpillar’s $800mn acquisition of Siwei in mid-2012. The size of the charge equates to less than 1% of CAT’s market cap (but nearly 10% of adjusted 2012E EPS), but does not help perception of CAT’s China growth strategy, which is important to the long-term investment case, in our view.
Accounting related issue – ongoing investigation
Caterpillar has determined that several Siwei senior managers engaged in deliberate misconduct beginning several years prior to the acquisition. According to CAT’s 8-K, the managers have been dismissed and replaced with a new leadership team, with the manufacturing operations rolled into Caterpillar’s China operations division. CAT’s extensive review identified improper revenue recognition practices and cost allocation that resulted in overstated profit. Caterpillar is reviewing litigation closely and other options to recoup losses and is conducting an ongoing investigation.
As Gjilardi noted, the charge will come out of Q4 2012 earnings, to be reported Monday, January 28.
James Parker notes at the Diplomat that Siwei was part of one of the infamous "reverse mergers" that have plagued Chinese listings in recent years:
Caterpillar last June acquired ERA Mining Machinery Ltd, a HK-listed company that was in fact the result of a “backdoor listing” of Siwei, a Zhengzhou-based company which provides equipment for the mining industry. Siwei had undertaken a “reverse merger” with ERA Holdings Global Ltd (a “secretarial services” company listed on HK that had no relation to mining or construction) in 2010, and had thus been effectively trading on HK’s Growth Enterprise Market.
Reverse mergers, which rose to infamy during recent short-seller provoked attacks on such firms trading in the United States and Canada, are a common way for companies to be listed without going through the more expensive (and revealing) regulatory and media scrutiny of an Initial Public Offering (IPO).
Below is the full press release issued by Caterpillar, complete with a Q&A:
PEORIA, Ill., Jan. 18, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Caterpillar Inc. (CAT) today announced that an internal investigation of its recently acquired company, ERA Mining Machinery Limited (ERA), including its wholly owned subsidiary Zhengzhou Siwei Mechanical & Electrical Manufacturing Co., Ltd., commonly known as "Siwei," has uncovered deliberate, multi-year, coordinated accounting misconduct concealed at Siwei, located in Zhengzhou, China.
Caterpillar's investigation determined several Siwei senior managers engaged in deliberate misconduct beginning several years prior to Caterpillar's acquisition of Siwei. This deliberate misconduct at Siwei will result in a non-cash goodwill impairment charge of approximately $580 million, or $0.87 per share, in the fourth quarter of 2012.
Caterpillar removed several senior managers at Siwei who were responsible for the misconduct and a new leadership team has been put in place. The responsibilities for Siwei manufacturing operations have been moved to Caterpillar's China Operations Division, led by Vice President Qihua Chen, a long time Caterpillar employee. The sales and support organization at Siwei will report to Kebao Yang, Caterpillar Global Mining General Manager for China and Korea.
"The actions carried out by these individuals are offensive and completely unacceptable. This conduct does not represent, in any way, shape or form, the way Caterpillar does business or how we expect our employees to work, which is spelled out in Caterpillar's Worldwide Code of Conduct," said Caterpillar Chairman and CEO Doug Oberhelman. "Once our investigation confirmed that misconduct had taken place at Siwei, we moved quickly and decisively to hold the responsible leaders directly accountable for the wrongdoing. Accountability is a critical way that we measure leaders at Caterpillar, and it is my expectation that leaders set an example and are accountable for their actions and results."
Caterpillar has advised the Hong Kong Securities and Futures Commission of these issues and has filed a Form 8-K with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission disclosing the impairment charge. Caterpillar's investigation is ongoing.
"Despite these actions we continue to believe that the Siwei acquisition is well aligned with our strategy to expand our role as a leading equipment and solutions provider for the Chinese coal mining industry," said Steve Wunning, Caterpillar group president with responsibility for Resource Industries. "We intend to utilize Siwei roof support products and manufacturing capabilities, combined with Caterpillar's strong commitment to technical innovation and safety, to help our mining customers in China become more efficient and safer within their mines," Wunning added.
Additional background on Siwei acquisition:
In November of 2011, Caterpillar and ERA jointly announced a pre-conditional voluntary offer by Caterpillar, through a wholly owned subsidiary, for all of the issued shares of ERA, which at that time was a publicly traded company on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. ERA primarily designed, manufactured, sold and supported underground coal mining equipment in China through its wholly owned subsidiary, Siwei.
In June of 2012, Caterpillar announced the completion of its tender offer for ERA, including its wholly owned subsidiary Siwei. The tender offer was completed after approval from the Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China (MOFCOM).
Siwei has a manufacturing base of 600,000 square meters and employs about 4,000 people in Zhengzhou, Henan province, where Caterpillar intends to continue manufacturing roof support equipment to serve underground mining customers in China.
Questions and Answers:
Q1: Does the discovery of this misconduct at Siwei change Caterpillar's strategy for China or its view of the mining industry?
A: No. Caterpillar has 23 existing manufacturing facilities in China, four new facilities under construction, four Research & Development (R&D) centers and three logistics and parts centers, employing more than 15,000 people across the country. In addition, China produces and consumes more coal than any other country in the world. Our strategy to expand our coal mining business in China is unchanged, and we are optimistic about the underground coal mining equipment opportunities.
The accounting misconduct that occurred at Siwei does not reflect the way Caterpillar does business and is not in keeping with our Worldwide Code of Conduct.
The actions of the individuals involved were clearly wrong and purposely designed to overstate the profitability of the company prior to our acquisition. This does not change our plans to develop, grow, and improve the business.


Fraud At Caterpillar Chinese Subsidiary - Business Insider


this is a stupid off topic posting here. we are talking about an acquisitions problem which is completely not related to solar energy
 
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this is a stupid off topic posting here. we are talking about an acquisitions problem which is completely not related to solar energy

The same kind of fraud took place in suntech bussines venture in Germany and it is not off topic

China Solar Company Suntech Hit by 680M German Bond Fraud

One of China's biggest solar power companies said on Monday it's been the victim of massive fraud.

It's called Suntech Power Holdings, based in Wuxi, China. Its German affiliate--Global Solar Fund--had claimed it bought more than 680 million dollars worth of German government bonds as loan collateral. But later, Suntech discovered that the bonds probably never existed. This means Suntech could be liable for a 680 million-dollar guarantee--in addition to the 2.3 billion in debt it already owes on other loans.

Suntech's share price fell 27 percent on the New York Stock Exchange since Monday.

The issue has rung even more alarm bells about financial irregularities among Chinese companies in the US. Several others are already facing heavy scrutiny from the SEC.

http://ntdtv.org/en/news/business/2...ny-suntech-hit-by-680m-german-bond-fraud.html
 
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:omghaha:

Impetus? You wanna hear about impetus?

Spending 850 billion$ in order to make water not hazardous to be handled by humans for industrial use. Not consumption, not swimming, just make it non toxic enough for industry.
Sounds just like an enormous bill to pay, not an impetus which would bring any forward momentum. You can add more bills on top of that when eventually the water will (?) be brought up to standards safe for humans to swim/consume.

After China's multibillion-dollar cleanup, water still unfit to drink | Reuters

Calling me Indian is not helping your case in any regards.

we are cleaning our environment with our trillion dollars in the bank. what is wrong with that?
your fellow indians dont have that priviledge. their dilapidated infrastructures will be 1/10 done when their reserves dry up
 
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"The Chinese market is now oversupplied," he said. "The government knows it and we know it. 'Survival of the fittest' is the only way to solve the problems."

"It will take time but I believe a lot of the backward private enterprises will be closed. I also believe there will be some state-owned enterprises that will be eliminated too, including some of the big ones. This is a certainty."

There we go. :lol:

It is survival of the fittest, those companies which are not competitive enough will be weeded out.

In the end we will be left with a smaller number of companies in each sector. Only those which have proven themselves to be competitive will get to stay and thrive.
 
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