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China slammed India FM's claims

Irrespective whether this action is a result of multi-decade long anti-China propaganda in India, or is a fit of need for Indian democratic political system, every sane person can see clearly that anti-China by India has harmed, is harming and will harm India more than China.

If India wants this show to go on, China probably would be able to help some Indian politicians and their pawns. :lol:

How so?. China has harmed India more than any country.
 
That was already given where China was controlling Tibet and India was controlling Sikkim. All they did sign was you consider Tibet to be part of China and Sikkim will be part of India. There was no deal besides how you guy's need to perceive from know on.

China and India controlled Tibet and Sikkim respectively, but the status/fate of those areas are uncertain. That is the reason why both China and India decide to go through with this deal of recognition of each others territory. By doing so enables them to settle the status and formalize the border in that area to the world.

If they did not do this, the situation would lead to what is happening now in Kashmir between India and Pakistan, a disputed territory regardless of control with no solution in sight. By doing this deal, it is in the interest of both China and India to put the Tibet/Sikkim issue behind them.

The problem is that China does not control Arunachal Pradesh. They can claim anything they want. The only way they will get Arunachal Pradesh is attacking Inida, which will start war. Which I believe China will not start, hense they are just doing this to keep India on there toes and distracted.

China does not control and they are only claiming it. The Chinese cannot claim anything they want. They can only claim for territory that has a historical/legal bases for their reasoning. Whether they can claim it is another matter. Nonetheless, they have the right to claim.

That is true about getting Arunachal Pradesh through war because I don't see India giving the territory to China willingly for nothing. With that said, China will not start war as this would be a big blow to her rapid rise both economically and politically. So mostly, China is using this issue as a card to use on India in future strategic discussions.

And if you study China really well, they are appling the same strategy towards Taiwan regarding America. They just keep claiming it, but they know to get it they have to start a War.

The Taiwan situation is incomparable because of the fact that we don't own/control Taiwan. We are treating Taiwan as a foreign entity and will protect Taiwan should the Chinese attack.

The Chinese has the right to claim Taiwan because the island historically is part of China. Yes, Taiwan is ruled separately, but the island and the mainland are one entity. The best comparison for this is to Pakistan and East Pakistan (Bangladesh). They were one entity, the only difference here is that Taiwan would have little to none chance of emulating what Bangladesh did (Independence).

There is only two ways for Taiwan to become independent and that is peacefully (politically) or aggressively (militarily). Politically, the chance is slim as most of the world and major nations oppose this idea. We have already made it clear to the Taiwanese that we do not support independence.

Militarily, Taiwan stands no chance against China should she start war on the mainland. This is because they know that the US will say "bye bye" when Taiwan attacks first. Our policy is only defend Taiwan being attacked and not defend them should they suicidally attack the mainland. Since the Chinese are not attacking, we are kept at bay.

That is why Taiwan is in this limbo situation, they can't be independent politically and they can't through militarily.

In regards, to getting Taiwan, the Chinese are just waiting for time to resolve this diplomatically. Because they know through militarily, they would face the US.
 
No, the reason why the Chinese consider Sikkim as part of India is because they wanted India to tango and consider Tibet as part of China. So it is more of a deal.

That may be true, but the Chinese consider Arunachal Pradesh as part of South Tibet and will not drop the claim unless there is a deal in the future that requires India to tango.

pretty good expatiation.

They would not apply the same logic to Arunachal Pradesh because they don't have any other land deal/recognition that require India to tango too.

For me, I personally think the Chinese want this issue to be their card in future deals with India.

but cannot agree this totally, you forgot Dalai Lama and his Tibet government in exile, which is located and hosted in India, and ridiculously claiming 1/4 of China's territory. the Dalai Lama is of course underweight but he's being used as a favorite tool or virus by the west to choke China. Can anyone deny it's also a card by India?

while I personally think if India expels the Dalai Lama group, the Tawang issue will not be as disputed as it is now, at least China would not likely to fight back strongly if Indians don't bring it up first.

I think the possibility is dim for China to get back Tawang, but it's not easy for the government to give it up theoretically. So keep it a play card to protect Tibet, and hence has its up and downs.
 
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How so?. China has harmed India more than any country.

How was India harmed by China, or rather by Nehru's "forward policy"?

the real tragedy for India is, some of your political leaders thought you were on a par with the US, who could manage profit at China's expense both politically,economically and militarily.
 
but cannot agree this totally, you forgot Dalai Lama and his Tibet government in exile, which is located and hosted in India, and ridiculously claiming 1/4 of China's territory.

Dalai Lama is a non issue. They are a government in exile. The world and most importantly India already recognizes that Tibet is part of China. What the Dalai Lama wants is just to salvage something from this fact, the so-called "Middle Path".

The world practically can't do anything but to sympathize with his cause and other consoling words you can think off.

while I personally think if India expels the Dalai Lama group, the Tawang issue will not be as disputed as it is now, as least China would not likely to fight back strongly if Indians don't bring it up first.

India will not expel the Dalai Lama because humanitarian reasons would not allow it. Not to mention that if they do, the whole world would condemn it.
 
How was India harmed by China, or rather by Nehru's "forward policy"?

the real tragedy for India is, some of your political leaders thought you were on a par with the US, who could manage profit at China's expense both politically,economically and militarily.

You are talking about 1962 war. I'm talking about what china did post-1962 war through pakistan.
 
Dalai Lama is a non issue. They are a government in exile. The world and most importantly India already recognizes that Tibet is part of China. What the Dalai Lama wants is just to salvage something from this fact, the so-called "Middle Path".

The world practically can't do anything but to sympathize with his cause and other consoling words you can think off.

the "Middle Path" requests Chinese troops to leave Tibet, which is different from that in Hong Kong,the high level autonomy.

and US for example, never said it support Tibet independence, but in 1987 the US government forwarded Dalai Lama's claims(much much more anal-expulsive than his later "Middle Path") over to the Chinese leader and urged Zhaoziyang to negotiate with the Dalai Lama.


India will not expel the Dalai Lama because humanitarian reasons would not allow it. Not to mention that if they do, the whole world would condemn it.

Yeah humanitarian, with so many geopolitics behind!

India was almost a tool/line puppet by the US but they're not stupid.

If Pakistanis would not like to see real friendship rise between China and India, US would much less.
 
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You need to learn your history. That is an incorrect statement.

Pakistan did want to "hadap" these states but we saved them.

no u invaded them
their kings wanted to join with pakistan and then u invaded them
 
Then why are the so called freedom fighters (for us terrorists) fighting for, if kashmir is not with India.

because not even us kashmiris want u in the region u guys ILLEGALLY occupied it. Believe my words: KASHMIR WILL NEVER BE A PART OF INDIA; us kashmiris will never allow it.
 
Not true. India has not attacked a single country after 1947.

We did not even try to occupy Bangladesh when our armies were already in Dhaka. Didn't attack any of our smaller neighbors.

Our wars have been only with Pakistan and China and reasons for that are well known. We have not kept an inch of land of Pakistan from any of those wars too.

India invaded TIBETwhich is a part of china in 1950s,we can not foget.All we claims should be true.....
 
The only way we will get Arunachal Pradesh is attacking Inida, which will start war that we chinese are not afraid of.
 
From all sides India will be placed under pressure. By being over confident and also arrogant Indian leaders have placed the country in a difficult situation with no other country able to trust its intent or objectives.
 
You guys got so worked up over all this rhetoric?

1. ArP is a part of India (in the non-ideal non-textbook real-world).

2. Aksai Chin is a part of PRC (in the non-ideal non-textbook real-world).


Everybody, please live with this.



But you won't... shucks
 
From all sides India will be placed under pressure. By being over confident and also arrogant Indian leaders have placed the country in a difficult situation with no other country able to trust its intent or objectives.

So what know, India should just give away all the countries that are making claims, rubbish. Infact I would say that India is getting bolder then in past, and i for one like it.
 

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