China Should Either Make Peace With India Or Forget About CPEC

[PaklovesTurkiye]

@DJ_Viper ....What say?

 

[Major d1]

thing is we are building 4 industrial and economick corriodars which gonna have there own power genration and supply and frieght train service and raod inter linkages connecting all major metros and the over all cost run well beyond 400 billion and japnese banks , WB & IMF and indian private and publik sector are jointly funding it besides existing india infra so we dont reeally care care about 50 billion in a naighbouring country when we get more than 60 billion in FDI every year

so any one who thinks we are worried about CEPC is living in a wonderland or is too naive we have better things to do but then we are guests here and know if we speak to many bitter truths we are going to be banned so lets leave it at that

By the help od WB or IMF you may be ur making ur infrastructure high. That is good for india. The U.S. is courting India with the declared purpose of assigning the lead role in the Indian Ocean, which is unacceptable to both China and Pakistan. In fact, India’s cozying up to powers that China is suspicious of, compels China and Pakistan to strengthen their alliance further. China-Pakistan strategic naval partnership centered on Gwadar will scuttle the Indo-U.S. ambition of dominating the Indian Ocean.

For India, a major economic engagement between two of its adversaries – China and Pakistan – is a double dilemma. The economic reality of rising China compels India to support the various sections of road connectivity, like in Central Asia, East Asia and also connecting China with Myanmar, Bangladesh and India through the Southern Silk Road. Yet, India could not overcome its deep anathema towards Pakistan by objecting to the project, even though on the question of its passage through the disputed territory of Jammu and Kashmir.

The Chinese economy is five times bigger than India’s. Even with higher growth rate this year, India will need more than 50 years to catch up. India needs to loosen up while coming to terms with China’s strategic rise and engage actively with China in OBOR. This will only help yield a more peaceful world.

Oil and gas pipelines—will stretch 2,700 kilometers from Gwadar on the Arabian Sea to the Khunjerab Pass at the China-Pakistan border in the Karakorams.

 

[GURU DUTT]

By the help od WB or IMF you may be ur making ur infrastructure high. That is good for india. The U.S. is courting India with the declared purpose of assigning the lead role in the Indian Ocean, which is unacceptable to both China and Pakistan. In fact, India’s cozying up to powers that China is suspicious of, compels China and Pakistan to strengthen their alliance further. China-Pakistan strategic naval partnership centered on Gwadar will scuttle the Indo-U.S. ambition of dominating the Indian Ocean.

For India, a major economic engagement between two of its adversaries – China and Pakistan – is a double dilemma. The economic reality of rising China compels India to support the various sections of road connectivity, like in Central Asia, East Asia and also connecting China with Myanmar, Bangladesh and India through the Southern Silk Road. Yet, India could not overcome its deep anathema towards Pakistan by objecting to the project, even though on the question of its passage through the disputed territory of Jammu and Kashmir.

The Chinese economy is five times bigger than India’s. Even with higher growth rate this year, India will need more than 50 years to catch up. India needs to loosen up while coming to terms with China’s strategic rise and engage actively with China in OBOR. This will only help yield a more peaceful world.

WB, IMF , NATO nations , USA, Japan or any other rich nation is investing with us as we provide equal opportunities to share profit with them honestly and even china is welcome to invest but on our terms not chinas terms


China is bigger but we are no push overs either and no matter how strong is china it cant push over and get its job done the way it wants from us and we will make friendship with any nation we feel like China is nobody to tell us what to do and what not to do as we are not dependent on it in anything good if it shares its OBOR network with us even if it dose not it hardly matters and sorry we dont need to become another china or another USA we are India and always remain that .... hope you got the point

 

[Major d1]

Great opportunity for Bangladesh-

 

[DJ_Viper]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmo...with-india-or-forget-about-cpec/#4909aed622ee

China desperately needs the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). It’s part of that nation’s vision to write the rules of the next stage of globalization and help its export and investment engines grow for years to come—a good prospect for investors in Chinese equities, which have been lagging behind of those of neighboring India.

Ranking China India
Population (millions) 1374.62 1254.02
Per Capita GDP ($, Dec2015) 6416 1806
Human Development Index (2015) 90 130
Entrepreneurship Index (2016) 60 98
Economic Freedom Index (2016) 144 123
Index/Fund 12-month Performance 5-year Performance
IShares China (NYSE:FXI) -5.16% 7.5.0%
iShares S&P India 50 (NASDAQ:INDY) 1.0% 32.18%
Source: Finance.yahoo.com 11/26/16

Specifically, CPEC is the express link between Western China, the Middle East, and Africa–China’s second continent. Ideologically that is, which can explain why Beijing has committed $46 billion to the project.

The trouble is that CPEC passes through Pakistani regions claimed by India. That makes it a bumpy road, to say the least — Pakistan and India continue to fight for control of these regions.

That’s why China needs to make peace with India.

So far, China has done very little to appease India. In fact, it has done quite the opposite: repeatedly blocking India’s efforts to join the Nuclear Supplier Group (NSG).

And it has sided openly with Pakistan in the India-Pakistan Kashmir standoff, as evidenced by statements by China’s senior officials on the sidelines of the ongoing 71st session of United Nations General Assembly in New York.

That can explain why India’s has sided with the US in the South China Sea disputes, as previously discussed here.

And things could turn worse, if pro-Indian forces in Pakistan sabotage China’s CEPC route.

That raises the possibility of an open confrontation between China and Pakistan on the one side, and India and its allies on the other.

Is China ready for this scenario? Probably not. That’s why Beijing should either appease New Delhi or forget about CEPC altogether.

This is interesting. One of those India vs. Pakistan articles? With a lot of "assumptions". The Chinese doesn't need to "make peace" with anyone, including India if they didn't want to. They've built the highways, etc, already. Without caring much for what India says. Will India join? I am sure its more than likely, not because of China, but because the Indians don't want to miss the "gravy train" that this route will become in terms of business to consumers across so many nations.

If India joins in, this route can reach to 60-70% of the total population of the globe. Even the US wants to join China's one belt, one road initiative. So the benefits of trade out-weight the risks, the Germans, Brits and many Eastern European countries are already prepping to join this. So if India doesn't join in, the Chinese will still reap benefits by connecting to 40% of the world population directly. India really doesn't have a choice here.

The part that goes through Pakistan, would benefit Pakistan tremendously. Chinese trust Pakistan all the way, so the critical products for the Chinese (oil, LNG, etc,), export to the ME and African countries, will always take place through this route, surpassing Dubai in the next 5-7 years as the major port hub due to sheer consumer mass needing commodities in Western China and then in Pakistan. This route, from my research, would produce many millions new jobs, over 26 new cities (based on the dry ports and business districts they are building due to this route), associated infrastructure, power plants, hospitals, universities, airports, housing, supporting business from a grocery shop to car dealerships, IT shops, Pharmacies, Transportation, etc, etc. So this would bring phenomenal growth to Pakistan.

Also, the rest of the IShares data, is really not applicable here. I don't understand what the author was trying to imply there. Thanks

@DJ_Viper ....What say?

Sir, I just added my opinion. Thank you for adding me to this. I don't participate in silly India vs. Pakistan threads as majority of those are created as propaganda, but I went ahead and chimed my two cents in. Thanks

 

[Major d1]

WB, IMF , NATO nations , USA, Japan or any other rich nation is investing with us as we provide equal opportunities to share profit with them honestly and even china is welcome to invest but on our terms not chinas terms


China is bigger but we are no push overs either and no matter how strong is china it cant push over and get its job done the way it wants from us and we will make friendship with any nation we feel like China is nobody to tell us what to do and what not to do as we are not dependent on it in anything good if it shares its OBOR network with us even if it dose not it hardly matters and sorry we dont need to become another china or another USA we are India and always remain that .... hope you got the point

Every individual country has the free space to think about the prosperity of their own country . India still now under the condition of 3rd world. meaning developing country. OBOR network under the condition of developed country . Its network is working good but still now without china help in many cases india will have to suffer. Such as water issues or else. In that case OBOR will not help to resolve the issue. So i think India still now not a self-depended country They should ask for help to his neighbors for developing themselves.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Every individual country has the free space to think about the prosperity of their own country . India still now under the condition of 3rd world. meaning developing country. OBOR network under the condition of developed country . Its network is working good but still now without china help in many cases india will have to suffer. Such as water issues or else. In that case OBOR will not help to resolve the issue. So i think India still now not a self-depended country They should ask for help to his neighbors for developing themselves.

no we wont have to suffer keep your worries about india to yourself we indians have always been alone and know how to survive alone and our economy is still internal dependent and we are working hard to make it a extrenal oriented economy so dont worry about us worry about your nation and if we have to grow we can grow on owr own strengths only not any bodies hel .. and taking help of your nation would be ... khair jane do not even worth mentioning ... but my only curiosity is whu would a bangladeshi be more concerned about CEPC and China and india than his own nation .. strange .. dont get it ?

 

[MULUBJA]

Who knows...China is getting assertive day by day to secure its interests as their stature rises on global stage...I didn't say China will go to war with India but to hurt India, there are so many ways "apart from war" which China can pick if India continues to play with Chinese interests i.e hurting CPEC

You do not know my friend, how eveil this fellow modi is. If he has decided not to let CPEC complete, he will not let it do in any case. So article states rightly that china should either make peace or forget about CPEC. I heard on pakistani media that modi has allocated fund and deputed RAW office to disrupt CPEC. It will be better not to mess with him and do peace.

 

[Major d1]

no we wont have to suffer keep your worries about india to yourself we indians have always been alone and know how to survive alone and our economy is still internal dependent and we are working hard to make it a extrenal oriented economy so dont worry about us worry about your nation and if we have to grow we can grow on owr own strengths only not any bodies hel .. and taking help of your nation would be ... khair jane do not even worth mentioning ... but my only curiosity is whu would a bangladeshi be more concerned about CEPC and China and india than his own nation .. strange .. dont get it ?

India is living under globalization era . U just said japan is helping india now telling India is doing it alone, That doesn't make any sense anymore. If India want s to stay in this South asain territory logically they have to come under the given and taken relationship, whatever which is the country is. Still now millions of indian people are living under poverty line, in that case Govt. 1st will have to give them home and have to fulfill their basic needs. They will ask IMF to give loan,IMF is under control of WB.WB is under control of US and west . If u kick CEPC what will happen ? Nothing . Just india will lose its regional economical power. And for making policy they will be ignored. U must have to realize, They are not 1000 Km away from you. Just one step forward from u .

Bangladesh is concerned about it, bcz it has internal relationship with Bangladeshi policy .

 

[DJ_Viper]

thing is we are building 4 industrial and economick corriodars which gonna have there own power genration and supply and frieght train service and raod inter linkages connecting all major metros and the over all cost run well beyond 400 billion and japnese banks , WB & IMF and indian private and publik sector are jointly funding it besides existing india infra so we dont reeally care care about 50 billion in a naighbouring country when we get more than 60 billion in FDI every year

so any one who thinks we are worried about CEPC is living in a wonderland or is too naive we have better things to do but then we are guests here and know if we speak to many bitter truths we are going to be banned so lets leave it at that

Sir, these routes are good for India internally. This is like what the US did in 1959 when Mr. Al Gore's father decided to create economic super highways and connected all America through a big highway system. This has nothing to do with the CPEC or one belt one road. Although, believe it or not, your businessmen would love this connected with the CPEC due to knowing what they will get out, much beyond the scope of this highway system. This is Indian internal, the CPEC is very global in nature and connects three times the population of India (upon completion).

Even the US now wants to join the Chinese one belt, one road initiative!! Last but not least, India is very worried about the CPEC as it will strengthen Pakistan economically. Just from one stand point, if the Pakistanis militarily became able to buy 300-400 top end jets and about 30-40-ish naval ships (various kinds), due to the economic growth, how impossible would it make for India to continue her regional power expansion and try to play the big-boy in the India-Pakistan game? Its hard for that to happen as is. So CPEC as a growth engine for Pakistan worries India sick and it will be the case for the foreseeing future. Thanks

 

[GURU DUTT]

India is living under globalization era . U just said japan is helping india now telling India is doing it alone, That doesn't make any sense anymore. If India want s to stay in this South asain territory logically they have to come under the given and taken relationship, whatever which is the country is. Still now millions of indian people are living under poverty line, in that case Govt. 1st will have to give them home and have to fulfill their basic needs. They will ask IMF to give loan,IMF is under control of WB.WB is under control of US and west . If u kick CEPC what will happen ? Nothing . Just india will lose its regional economical power. And for making policy they will be ignored. U must have to realize, They are not 1000 Km away from you. Just one step forward from u .

Bangladesh is concerned about it, bcz it has internal relationship with Bangladeshi policy .

We are a population of 1.3 billion thats more than combined population of entire south and south east asia minus india and china so we dont really need China or its OBOR or for that matter CPEC so dont worry about us

owrs was a agro based economy which in 1970s became a industrial based internal economy and now is a service provider based economy but still is a very strong industrial based economy and we are setting upp new indusstrial infra from new and smart foundation for a very diffrent presepective and that where these four indsurtial corriodars come in with there own dedicated frieght train and raod link networks and independent power genration plants (in short four fully functional independent economies working in tandem under umbrella of existing indian economy)

rest you can speculate yourself as im not talking about numbers here but point is we dont need CEPC we have owr coast line and ports and industrial networks and internal trade to make for owr own economy we are not dependent on china

Sir, these routes are good for India internally. This is like what the US did in 1959 when Mr. Al Gore's father decided to create economic super highways and connected all America through a big highway system. This has nothing to do with the CPEC or one belt one road. Although, believe it or not, your businessmen would love this connected with the CPEC due to knowing what they will get out, much beyond the scope of this highway system. This is Indian internal, the CPEC is very global in nature and connects three times the population of India (upon completion).

Even the US now wants to join the Chinese one belt, one road initiative!! Last but not least, India is very worried about the CPEC as it will strengthen Pakistan economically. Just from one stand point, if the Pakistanis militarily became able to buy 300-400 top end jets and about 30-40-ish naval ships (various kinds), due to the economic growth, how impossible would it make for India to continue her regional power expansion and try to play the big-boy in the India-Pakistan game? Its hard for that to happen as is. So CPEC as a growth engine for Pakistan worries India sick and it will be the case for the foreseeing future. Thanks

what is the use of connecting with chinese CEPC as all industrial chinese centers and cities and and population concentrations are in east china which is 4000+ km away from khunjraabh or khashghar which again takes a almost 3000km route to gawadar if we need to sell owr broducts why not load them as we do today from chennai , kolkatta, kandla, mimbai or cochin , goa , manglore type ports and send them to there designated cities in south east asia ,europe or wia chabhar corridoar to russia or to USA as land route is always expensive than sea route... take a calculator and a world map and world tarif bouchers im sure you will get your answer sir

 

[SDS1]

One snake is enough for us.

yes and this is given you own own country, dont to forget that.... or else you will be serving someone ...

 

[Major d1]

We are a population of 1.3 billion thats more than combined population of entire south and south east asia minus india and china so we dont really need China or its OBOR or for that matter CPEC so dont worry about us

owrs was a agro based economy which in 1970s became a industrial based internal economy and now is a service provider based economy but still is a very strong industrial based economy and we are setting upp new indusstrial infra from new and smart foundation for a very diffrent presepective and that where these four indsurtial corriodars come in with there own dedicated frieght train and raod link networks and independent power genration plants (in short four fully functional independent economies working in tandem under umbrella of existing indian economy)

rest you can speculate yourself as im not talking about numbers here but point is we dont need CEPC we have owr coast line and ports and industrial networks and internal trade to make for owr own economy we are not dependent on china

You are just talking about future. That India is a super power. However Super power state like as US also feeling economical problem. What you are talking about that all r just facts.

India has 363 million (or 29.5percent) people under the poverty line based on a survey of 2011-12, as against 407 million.
India holds the distinction of having the most number of poor of the world – a super poor nation! Consequently, South Asia has become the world’s biggest center of extreme poverty. On the World Bank’s extreme poverty line of 1.25 dollars a day, there are roughly 500 million extreme poor in South Asia, followed by 400 million in sub Saharan Africa. The chart below clearly shows the global poverty trends since 1981.

Given the multitude of languages, customs, cultures and “castes” in India, the reasons for poverty are also numerous and intertwined. Here an attempt is made to highlight 8 important reasons for high poverty in India. However, one message is very clear: One has to look at poverty, beyond income.

India's achievements after 70 years of Independence:

Cow urine is more expensive than cow Milk in Incredible India.

Cow slaughter is a crime in India.

Rap3 capital of the world

over 400,000 girls rap3d & 10000s of cases go unreported.

actual rape videos are on sale in India.

minorities live a life worse than stray dogs as they are deemed untouchable. fuh!ing how a person is untouchable ????

Out of 1.2 billion,

65% people live in slums

55% don't even have water & electricity connections

Home to quarter of the world's poorest people

65% people p00p in open

5 people die of hunger every minute

Now who wants to live in this cessp00l called India !!

You have to realize without solving internal problem you can't race with others. As oppose to the Western capitalism India needs a comprehensive “development” plan in order to really crush widespread poverty. It needs an economy that supports millions of small and medium enterprises; it will be suitable to employ low skilled poor people. Focus on good governance to root out deep rooted corruption that eats away major chunk of the welfare budget.

Finally, promote women empowerment through education and healthcare; it will greatly help deal with poverty fed by the population growth. NOw if u make 100 industries without solving this issue , nothing will happen.

 

[DJ_Viper]

what is the use of connecting with chinese CEPC as all industrial chinese centers and cities and and population concentrations are in east china which is 4000+ km away from khunjraabh or khashghar which again takes a almost 3000km route to gawadar if we need to sell owr broducts why not load them as we do today from chennai , kolkatta, kandla, mimbai or cochin , goa , manglore type ports and send them to there designated cities in south east asia ,europe or wia chabhar corridoar to russia or to USA as land route is always expensive than sea route... take a calculator and a world map and world tarif bouchers im sure you will get your answer sir

Sir, you should ask your businessmen before you ask me. You might get a much clearer answer. 1: The Indian trucking, freight and airline industry will boom to a new height its never been to before.
2: Its not just about China, its about the Central Russian states, Russia, Africa, Europe, etc, that you can go to, through this initiative (that India can't on her own, or at-least through a proper road network).
3: Indian products and services consumption will probably triple up from Pakistan to Central Asian countries to China, meaning billions of additional dollars.

If you are so rich that you don't want these extra dozens of billions and have a potential new consumer base of close to 1.6-2 billion people, than obviously nothing I can explain would help here. Thanks

 

[Major d1]

yes and this is given you own own country, dont to forget that.... or else you will be serving someone ...

Indian snake is enough for us. we are just w8ing for cutting the head of the snake.