China: SCS ADIZ is an Option

[S10]

It does have real impact. Now the Asian countries will use it to show China the aggressor. If perception is reality...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap...hina-Sea-tensions-drive-defense-spending.html

Budgets are finite. Money that could be used to build roads are reallocated to build weapons. You cannot get any more 'real impact' than that, kid.


Which is pretty much the entirety of the SCS since the area inside those dashes are vital to inter-states commerce.


You as a 'legitimate' source ? Yeah...Try it and see.


No. We, meaning the US and local Asian countries, are making sure that China will not be able to disrupt commerce. China using those dashy-dashy lines was a preemptive act. A Chinese national security issue. China said she needs to control that region 'just in case' anyone tried to threaten China. We are doing the same.


I do hope the PLA's leadership are just as stupid as the PDF Chinese and starts shooting.

You sound so butthurt. It has much of an impact as all the judgements it rendered before it, zero. Of the 17 cases it issued decisions on, all of them were ignored. That's including Japan and Britain, two of the closest allies (aka pawns) to US. The PCA is unaffiliated with UN's ICJ or ILTOS. Renting in the same building in Hague to try to misrepresent it as "UN backed" or "Hague Court" is a gimmick anyone with more than double digit brain cell can see through, unless irreparably damaged by Agent Orange. Even Americans have no issue ignoring unfavorable verdict before, and that came from a legit UN sponsored court, the ICJ. What has happened from that? Nothing.

China has not threatened or disrupted commercial shipping since proclaiming the Nine Dash Line in 1949, which is based off of ROC's 11 Dash Line proclaimed in 1911. Why do we need to start shooting when we're steadily increasing our presence and influence in the area. We're after solid gains, not empty gestures from a kangaroo court. Make no mistakes, we made those gains in the past 5 years and time is on our side.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You just blew the Chinese head gaskets. They do not understand the concept of 'international'.

Oh, yes, they do.

It's a compound word, derived by combining internal and national.

Silly American, not to know what this means.

 

[TaiShang]

China gives out regional public goods like Halloween candies, and this includes SCS development.

It is up to VN and PH to benefit from them.

The rest of the region already enjoys the benefits.

SCS ADIZ will simply add another pearl on the string, 'if ya'll know what I am sayin'.

 

[gambit]

You sound so butthurt. It has much of an impact as all the judgements it rendered before it, zero. Of the 17 cases it issued decisions on, all of them were ignored. That's including Japan and Britain, two of the closest allies (aka pawns) to US. The PCA is unaffiliated with UN's ICJ or ILTOS. Renting in the same building in Hague to try to misrepresent it as "UN backed" or "Hague Court" is a gimmick anyone with more than double digit brain cell can see through, unless irreparably damaged by Agent Orange. Even Americans have no issue ignoring unfavorable verdict before, and that came from a legit UN sponsored court, the ICJ. What has happened from that? Nothing.

Read your own comment to see who is experiencing 'butt hurt'. All you can do is parrot the same lines from each other. Do not know who issued you your lines, and really, do not care.

The thing that you missed, one of the many things that you guys missed, is that the PCA is not needed. The PCA's decision is wanted, but not really needed. We wanted it to show that it is part of a diplomatic gesture. But ultimately, no one expects China to agree to that decision. Regional defense spending is projected to increase to meet China's aggression.

Try to look at it from a military's point of view, despite your lack of service. See this as free education from me and other former military members on this forum...

You have a spear and the other guy have a knife. Yes, you can dismiss him as a threat. But when he sports a sword, now the threat calculus has changed and actually changed in his favor even though you may have the spear or even develop the bow and arrow. A sword is categorically different from a knife in that the sword is inherently an offensive weapon. It changes the mindset of its wielder. Even though the shield can and have been used as an offensive weapon, the shield itself have never been used standalone, only as part of a package. Not so with the sword.

With projected increased defense spending by other Asian countries in the region, China will not be facing a disorganized gang of knife wielders but a cohesive group of swordsmen. Just as your China became emboldened from your rising economy, these Asian countries will become emboldened by the PCA's decision, compelled to increase their military budgets, and leadership by US. We will render your claim to the entirety of the SCS equally the toilet paper that you said of the PCA's decision.

 

[rott]

I do not play video games so I have no idea what you are talking about.

You should, lol. Come play WOT and let me bash you up with my tier x jgpz e100.

 

[S10]

Read your own comment to see who is experiencing 'butt hurt'. All you can do is parrot the same lines from each other. Do not know who issued you your lines, and really, do not care.

The thing that you missed, one of the many things that you guys missed, is that the PCA is not needed. The PCA's decision is wanted, but not really needed. We wanted it to show that it is part of a diplomatic gesture. But ultimately, no one expects China to agree to that decision. Regional defense spending is projected to increase to meet China's aggression.

Try to look at it from a military's point of view, despite your lack of service. See this as free education from me and other former military members on this forum...

You have a spear and the other guy have a knife. Yes, you can dismiss him as a threat. But when he sports a sword, now the threat calculus has changed and actually changed in his favor even though you may have the spear or even develop the bow and arrow. A sword is categorically different from a knife in that the sword is inherently an offensive weapon. It changes the mindset of its wielder. Even though the shield can and have been used as an offensive weapon, the shield itself have never been used standalone, only as part of a package. Not so with the sword.

With projected increased defense spending by other Asian countries in the region, China will not be facing a disorganized gang of knife wielders but a cohesive group of swordsmen. Just as your China became emboldened from your rising economy, these Asian countries will become emboldened by the PCA's decision, compelled to increase their military budgets, and leadership by US. We will render your claim to the entirety of the SCS equally the toilet paper that you said of the PCA's decision.

You and a few of your weak pawns are not a "cohesive group of swordsmen". In case you haven't noticed, your economic and military power aren't what it used to be. This isn't the 1990's or 2000's anymore. I believe it is you that requires an education on rise and fall cycles of empires, but that would require some brain function.

 

[terranMarine]

You should, lol. Come play WOT and let me bash you up with my tier x jgpz e100.

the senile old man needs some bashing alright, make sure you bash his brains enough for the sake of gaining more IQ.

 

[cochine]

South China Sea: US Sounds Warning Against a Potential Chinese ADIZ
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warned China against declaring a South China Sea ADIZ.

By Ankit Panda
June 06, 2016
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Amid continued murmurs that China may move to implement an air defense identification zone (ADIZ) over the South China Sea, the United States’ top diplomat issued a sharp warning to China. Speaking in Mongolia on Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warning that the United States would treat a Chinese ADIZ over the South China Sea as a “provocative and destabilizing act.”

“We would consider an ADIZ… over portions of the South China Sea as a provocative and destabilizing act which would automatically raise tensions and call into serious question China’s commitment to diplomatically manage the territorial disputes of the South China Sea,” Kerry said in Mongolia, where he is on a state visit ahead of a trip to China.

“We urge China not to move unilaterally in ways that are provocative,” Kerry added. Kerry’s remarks coincided with the Shangri-La Dialogue, which took place over the weekend in Singapore and is Asia’s premier security forum, drawing leaders from across the region. At the forum, Admiral Sun Jianguo, deputy chief of the Joint Staff Department of the Central Military Commission of China, delivered remarks defending China’s position over the South China Sea disputes.

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Tensions are high between the United States and China over the South China Sea ahead of their annual Strategic and Economic Dialogue. The eighth iteration of that dialogue is slated to begin soon and will cover the gamut of issues in the U.S.-China bilateral relationship. Moreover, regional states and the United States alike are eagerly awaiting the Permanent Court of Arbitration’s verdict in Philippines v. China; the verdict will likely assess the status of several disputed features in the South China Sea and potentially China’s ambiguous nine-dashed line claim.

Regional security observers have speculated since late 2013, when China declared an ADIZ over the East China Sea, that Beijing could take a similar move in the South China Sea. Last week, in a longer post, I assessed the reasons why it’s probable that China would look to implement an ADIZ there. However, it’s far from clear that Beijing would benefit directly from an ADIZ or that the Chinese military is adequately equipped to enforce an ADIZ over the South China Sea, despite the construction of new airstrips on artificial islands in the Spratly Islands.

Though the United States takes no position on the sovereignty of individual features in the South China Sea, Washington favors maintaining the freedom of navigation and overflight in the region in line with international law. Accordingly, starting in October 2015, the United States Navy began conducting regular freedom of navigation operations.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/south-china-sea-us-sounds-warning-against-a-potential-chinese-adiz/

 

[TaiShang]

I hear the ADIZ is seriously on the books. It has been reported that the systems are ready and, depending on the situation on the ground, it might be announced any time.

Worthless US warnings will make it look weaker whn China simply ignores and launches the ADIZ.

Therefore, if I were the US, I would do this silently/underhand. Otherwise, the little allies will once again see how ineffective US diplomacy is.

 

[terranMarine]

I hear the ADIZ is seriously on the books. It has been reported that the systems are ready and, depending on the situation on the ground, it might be announced any time.

Worthless US warnings will make it look weaker whn China simply ignores and launches the ADIZ.

Therefore, if I were the US, I would do this silently/underhand. Otherwise, the little allies will once again see how ineffective US diplomacy is.

Now that's more like it, i predicted we would have our own Southern ADIZ right after China announced the one in the East China Sea. The Pinoys can only blame themselves for forcing China increasing the speed of our plans.

 

[gambit]

You and a few of your weak pawns are not a "cohesive group of swordsmen". In case you haven't noticed, your economic and military power aren't what it used to be. This isn't the 1990's or 2000's anymore. I believe it is you that requires an education on rise and fall cycles of empires, but that would require some brain function.

What does that mean ? Before we were 10 times China, now that we are 9 times ? Oh yeah...What a terrible decline...

When your China actually surpass US in reality, not just in doctored up papers, then you can presume to teach US about rise and fall of empires. That is the brain function you need to learn, kiddo.

 

[CCP]

What does that mean ? Before we were 10 times China, now that we are 9 times ? Oh yeah...What a terrible decline...

10 times what?

When your China actually surpass US in reality, not just in doctored up papers, then you can presume to teach US about rise and fall of empires. That is the brain function you need to learn, kiddo.

How about industry?
electricity production, car production, ship production, warship production, tank production..........

 

[S10]

What does that mean ? Before we were 10 times China, now that we are 9 times ? Oh yeah...What a terrible decline...

When your China actually surpass US in reality, not just in doctored up papers, then you can presume to teach US about rise and fall of empires. That is the brain function you need to learn, kiddo.

A decade ago you could dominate the Western Pacific with the 7th fleet, but now you need majority of your naval assets just to maintain some semblance of American led order. Guess what you're gonna need a decade from now? I suspect more than you can give.

China has already surpassed US in terms of PPP, in terms of industrial output and in terms of STEM related researches. All you have is a paper GDP nominal value which you can hold on to for a while. American Exceptionalism Kool-Aid isn't healthy for the brain, boy.

 

[rott]

RT coverage of Chinese naval exercise in SCS. Amazing hovercraft.

 

[TaiShang]

A decade ago you could dominate the Western Pacific with the 7th fleet, but now you need majority of your naval assets just to maintain some semblance of American led order. Guess what you're gonna need a decade from now? I suspect more than you can give.

China has already surpassed US in terms of PPP, in terms of industrial output and in terms of STEM related researches. All you have is a paper GDP nominal value which you can hold on to for a while. American Exceptionalism Kool-Aid isn't healthy for the brain, boy.

What I see in the US society is factionalism, racial division and sucking on the fat accumulated over the decades and extended thanks to USD reserve currency status.

However, genuine development and progress is lacking or, at least, not so special anymore.

What it relies heavily on is the military. However, military is only a deterrence against a powerful rival, but it is toothless to impose them something they are disagree about.

The entire SCS issue is all about this.

US has intentions but lacks capabilities. China has factually shown that the US lacks capabilities to impose it will.