What's new

China’s Security Chief warns of “more social unrest” as economy slows

Very typical reporting by the American media. It would be more productive if Americans spend their energy on improving their own situation rather than hoping for China to falter.
It's like instead of doing your best to win the race, you spend all your time criticising your competitors just so you can feel better about coming last.
 
.
India number are accepted worldwide and it outs there for everybody to see

Whereas china gdp forecast and number are decided in closed room and some how they always turn to be right

China's GDP is man-made, unreliable: top leader | Reuters

word reliable and china don't go together:azn:

no one accepts india and US gdp numbers. Both are complete fabrications. If you believe either, I will sell you a 500 dollar Pentagon hammer.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
. .
I think it is a problem for all rapidly developing countries in the world.
The developed countries due to their own foolishness or arrogance, have completely spoiled their economies. Inturn these are affecting our economies, both china and india have reduced their expected GDP rates for this year.
The share markets are down showing no growth for last year.

Atleast for India, we need more reforms at good pace.

Regarding China, anyway their internal security was strong from ages (being a communist country opposition space cannot be tolerated), so I doubt a little slower growth will hamper china in anyway.

lol atleast china dont kill sikhs like the indians do.

india has the worst human rights record, sikhs are treated like dogs.


@Offtopic post
 
.
I think it is a problem for all rapidly developing countries in the world.
The developed countries due to their own foolishness or arrogance, have completely spoiled their economies. Inturn these are affecting our economies, both china and india have reduced their expected GDP rates for this year.
The share markets are down showing no growth for last year.

Atleast for India, we need more reforms at good pace.

Regarding China, anyway their internal security was strong from ages (being a communist country opposition space cannot be tolerated), so I doubt a little slower growth will hamper china in anyway.

lol atleast china dont kill sikhs like the indians do.

india has the worst human rights record, sikhs are treated like dogs.


@Offtopic post

sub-Saharan African countries, and countries near their level, also do not tolerate true opposition. The US has the strongest internal security in the world, complete with mind control.
 
.
every country would be bound to be affected by recession ,well China cant boast that it is completley immune from recession
 
.
sub-Saharan African countries, and countries near their level, also do not tolerate true opposition. The US has the strongest internal security in the world, complete with mind control.

If you are pointing towards democracies like India, then you have no idea what opposition does in India.

e.g. a recent news, Govt of India welcomes FDI on last friday, the opposition makes nationwide agitation, their is strike by traders and On monday Govt of India holds back the decision. Probably it will even rollback the decision. (Though it may be bad for economy)
You don't know indian system, how complicated it is.
Does it happen in communist regime, where important decisions are rolled back in two days.

---------- Post added at 02:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:51 PM ----------

Inside China - China's Descent into a Quagmire - YouTube

Inside China - China's Descent into a Quagmire

This video is for Indians and pakistanis to watch.
 
.
If you are pointing towards democracies like India, then you have no idea what opposition does in India.

e.g. a recent news, Govt of India welcomes FDI on last friday, the opposition makes nationwide agitation, their is strike by traders and On monday Govt of India holds back the decision. Probably it will even rollback the decision. (Though it may be bad for economy)
You don't know indian system, how complicated it is.
Does it happen in communist regime, where important decisions are rolled back in two days.

---------- Post added at 02:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:51 PM ----------

Inside China - China's Descent into a Quagmire

This video is for Indians and pakistanis to watch.


Yep, decisions worth years and 0.1% of India's entire GDP are rolled back.

BBC News - China protest closes toxic chemical plant in Dalian

China says will shut plant as thousands protest | Reuters

I don't need to show any videos of India. People need to make propaganda videos about China to "prove" how bad it is.

I just have to post 1 article:

Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

80.5% of the Sub-Saharan Africa population was living on less than $2.50 (PPP) a day in 2005, compared with 85.7% for India.[66]
 
.
.
China grows a little bit slower is comparing to China herself,but still way way better if comparing with India or other countries.China is a miracle.
 
.
.
Yep, decisions worth years and 0.1% of India's entire GDP are rolled back.

BBC News - China protest closes toxic chemical plant in Dalian

China says will shut plant as thousands protest | Reuters

I don't need to show any videos of India. People need to make propaganda videos about China to "prove" how bad it is.

I just have to post 1 article:

Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

80.5% of the Sub-Saharan Africa population was living on less than $2.50 (PPP) a day in 2005, compared with 85.7% for India.[66]

India is bad than subsaharan africa, every chinese member (literally you dont want to loose that chance) has posted these figures for umpteenth time now.

So me also posting same thing again,

What about china, China has 150 000 000 people leaving under poor (its roughly equal to pakistan' s population).
Please I am very curious, where do you hide these people. Because In india you can see poor people. But in chinese photographs and videos we only see big high rises, big highways and ccp leaders.
Are you ashamed of these poor people.

Secondly regarding africa lets see, what is GDP per capita of china, you are no better than many of these african economies,

$ 36,600 001/028 (001/041) Equatorial Guinea
$ 23,200 002/056 (003/057) Seychelles
$ 14,500 003/080 (009/089) Gabon
$ 14,000 004/082 (002/054) Mauritius
$ 14,000 005/083 (005/063) Libya
$ 14,000 006/084 (006/064) Botswana
$ 10,700 007/104 (004/062) South Africa
$ 9,400 008/114 (007/075) Tunisia
$ 8,200 009/121 (015/129) Angola
$ 7,300 010/128 (008/087) Algeria
$ 6,900 011/132 (010/091) Namibia
$ 6,200 012/138 (014/115) Egypt
$ 4,800 013/151 (012/100) Morocco
$ 4,500 014/154 (013/105) Swaziland
$ 4,100 015/158 (033/167) Republic of the Congo

---------- Post added at 03:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:18 PM ----------

See how desperate to show bad of India, but can't tolerate bad of china.

CD immediatley posts another link.
 
.
India is bad than subsaharan africa, every chinese member (literally you dont want to loose that chance) has posted these figures for umpteenth time now.

So me also posting same thing again,

What about china, China has 150 000 000 people leaving under poor (its roughly equal to pakistan' s population).
Please I am very curious, where do you hide these people. Because In india you can see poor people. But in chinese photographs and videos we only see big high rises, big highways and ccp leaders.
Are you ashamed of these poor people.

Secondly regarding africa lets see, what is GDP per capita of china, you are no better than many of these african economies,

$ 36,600 001/028 (001/041) Equatorial Guinea
$ 23,200 002/056 (003/057) Seychelles
$ 14,500 003/080 (009/089) Gabon
$ 14,000 004/082 (002/054) Mauritius
$ 14,000 005/083 (005/063) Libya
$ 14,000 006/084 (006/064) Botswana
$ 10,700 007/104 (004/062) South Africa
$ 9,400 008/114 (007/075) Tunisia
$ 8,200 009/121 (015/129) Angola
$ 7,300 010/128 (008/087) Algeria
$ 6,900 011/132 (010/091) Namibia
$ 6,200 012/138 (014/115) Egypt
$ 4,800 013/151 (012/100) Morocco
$ 4,500 014/154 (013/105) Swaziland
$ 4,100 015/158 (033/167) Republic of the Congo

I don't know the PPP, sorry, because in 2005, China got a 50% reduction in PPP for no reason. I only look at exchange rate.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And by exchange rate, we're between Tunisia and South Africa.

What's worse is how ALL of these African countries are superior to India, and the only ones superior to China are the ones with oil and gas.
 
.
Oh, and for reference:

China's GDP growth (latest data) = 9.1%

India's GDP growth (latest data) = 6.9%

China's inflation = 5%... India's inflation = 9.73%
China slowdown spreading, HSBC services PMI shows | Reuters


__
HONG KONG - Europe's festering debt crisis is adding to strains on China just as the country is pricking its property bubble and facing a manufacturing downturn, limiting the ability of the world's No. 2 economy to prop up global growth.

Leaders in Europe are navigating a crucial week as they work to find a breakthrough at a summit Friday to avoid the disintegration of the euro common currency and the global financial panic that could ensue.

Such a scenario would slam China by crimping economic growth through lower demand for its exports. It would also prompt Beijing to slow the rise of its currency to a crawl — exacerbating trade tensions with the U.S. and other nations that say China's yuan is already too cheap.

Even if the euro common currency shared by 17 nations remains mostly intact, China and other Asian countries will still face the daunting prospect of a recession in Europe next year and anemic growth in the U.S. — both crucial markets for the region's cars, electronics, textiles and other exports.

During the 2009 global recession, China's 'shock and awe' style stimulus kept its booming economy on track. For Asia and other parts of the world, it helped soften the impact of the economic upheaval. The stimulus also unleashed high inflation, a torrent of low quality bank lending and uninhibited partying in the property market. Beijing is still trying to contain those distortions, meaning its response to a new downturn will be much more restrained.

The effects of Europe buckling beneath debt, austerity and financial market turmoil, and sloth-like growth in the U.S., are already being felt in China. Factory production shrank in November for the first time in nearly three years, and labour unrest is increasing as employers cut staff.

"Our suppliers here in China are beginning to be a lot more aggressive in trying to get business, which I put down to the fact that they're beginning to feel the pinch," said Christopher Devereux, who runs a company in Guangzhou, southern China sourcing high-quality lightweight parts for the automotive and mining industries.

"We're getting calls from suppliers looking for business — that I've only noticed in last three weeks," he said. Suppliers are now open to negotiating over prices, a sharp change from the past when their attitude was take-it-or-leave-it.

Other Chinese exporters say orders have dropped by 10 to 30 per cent from normal times because of slumping demand in Europe and the U.S., according to Stanley Lau, deputy chairman of the Hong Kong Federation of Industries.

Factories that are getting orders say they are smaller than before and customers are placing them at the last possible moment because they want to be as sure as possible a product will sell, he said.

"We will not expect that there will be great improvement until fourth quarter of next year," said Lau, who also owns a watch factory in southern China. "Of course this is only a hope. We never know what will happens in Europe — whether the situation will go further downhill."

In a sign of what might lay ahead, China's exports to troubled Italy tumbled 17 per cent in October from a year earlier. Sales to the full 27-nation European Union rose 7 per cent, buoyed by strength in Germany and France, according to customs data.

"It's very likely that a recession is going to mean that demand for goods from China is going to sink precipitously," said Doug Guthrie, dean of the George Washington University School of Business.

That could drive down China's economic growth rate from this year's forecast of above 9 per cent to as low as 6 per cent, he said. The Asian Development Bank trimmed its forecast on Tuesday for Chinese growth next year to 8.8 per cent from 9.1 per cent. But in a worst-case scenario, with both Europe and the U.S. contracting at levels similar to 2009, it expects Chinese growth to slow to 6.8 per cent.

Others think the hit could be much smaller because China's economy is less dependent on exports than it was before the 2008 global financial crisis. Exports now make up about a quarter of China's gross domestic product, down from about 40 per cent in 2007 as investment and domestic consumption rose.

But millions of jobs still depend on manufacturing, especially along the southeast coast, where thousands of factories supply Europe and the United States with low-cost shoes, toys, furniture and other goods.

"There will be joblessness, loss of consumption power for a part of the population that has just come out of poverty. There will probably be a fair amount of social unrest that comes along with that," said Guthrie.

On top of interest rate cuts and lower bank reserves to spur lending and backstop growth, it's likely China would slow the appreciation of the tightly controlled yuan to keep its exports competitive on world markets.

That would be even more the case if especially fragile countries that use the euro such as Portugal and Greece ditch it in favour of a weak, export-boosting national currency. That in turn would raise the risk of bigger economies such as Italy doing the same.

A splintering of the euro grouping would send the common currency plummeting while acting as jet fuel for other currencies such as the dollar and the yuan, which is also known as the renminbi.

"We suspect that Chinese policymakers will respond by slowing the renminbi's pace of appreciation to a crawl," said Mark Williams, chief Asia economist for Capital Economics.

Some see the crisis as an opportunity for China's leaders to raise their global clout by stepping in to shore up the world financial system. But over the weekend they sent their clearest signal yet that they intend to stay out of the fray. A senior diplomat rejected the idea that China's $3.2 trillion in foreign currency reserves could be used to help dig Europe out of its mountain of debt.

"The argument that China should rescue Europe does not stand, as reserves are not managed that way," Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying said in remarks reported on the weekend by Chinese state media.

Fu said China's reserves — some of which are invested in the bonds of European governments — are akin to money in a savings account and should not be "relocated randomly."

The idea of a possible Chinese role in Europe has caused unease among Europeans. It wouldn't come off well at home either, analysts said.


"It doesn't make sense for China to give money from a relatively poor population, on average, to Europeans who don't want to cut their lifestyle," said Dariusz Kowalczyk, a senior economist at Credit Agricole CIB.

"This kind of logic will be deeply unpopular domestically, and I don't think China will make such moves. They will show some gesture of support because they want to be seen as a player on the global scene."

China braces as Europe's simmering crisis adds to strains on economy with its own problems | CanadianBusiness.com
The future forecasts are even worse for China..


Inflation is down to 8%
India Food Inflation Eases, Ignites Soft Policy Hopes - WSJ.com
 
.
You have said hundred times India is bad. Now i am asking what about China.

With per capita GDP (at PPP) 7,544 US dollars in 2010, China was placed 96th in the world . It was just below Ecuador, and Bosnia and Herzegovina, and just above Albania, El Salvador, Tonga and Guyana. In contrast, Malaysia was at 58th with per capita PPP of 14,744 US dollars while Singapore was 3rd with 56, 694 US dollars.
being 92nd in terms of per capita GDP, 101st in HDI and 84th in terms of per capita emission, China is a middle-level or even lower-middle-level developing country, with not only all the developed countries, but also many developing countries ahead of it.
But by UN standards, 150 million Chinese are poor, for they live on less than 1 US dollar a day. Besides, around 12 million Chinese people, more than Greece's entire population, enter the job market each year and it's quite a task to get them employed.
 
.
Back
Top Bottom