China’s Boom Is Beginning to Show Cracks, Analysts Say

[xizhimen]

The chart was taken from here,

Without consent: how drugs companies exploit Indian 'guinea pigs' - Asia - World - The Independent

Sourced from clinicaltrials.gov.

OK,thank you for the link,now let's check out what this link really says

Without consent: how drugs companies exploit Indian 'guinea pigs'


Monday 14 November 2011

Western pharmaceutical companies have seized on India over the past five years as a testing ground for drugs – making the most of a huge population and loose regulations which help dramatically cut research costs for lucrative products to be sold in the West. The relationship is so exploitative that some believe it represents a new colonialism.

Since restrictions on drug trials were relaxed in 2005, the industry in India has swollen to the point where today more than 150,000 people are involved in at least 1,600 clinical trials, conducted on behalf of British, American and European firms including AstraZeneca, Pfizer, and Merck. There may be more.

While there is no official figure, some estimates suggest the industry may be worth as much as £189m. Regulators have struggled to keep pace with the explosion. Between 2007 and 2010, at least 1,730 people died in India while, or after, participating in such trials. Many of those people, often only eligible for the studies because they were ill, might have died anyway. Yet when there are complications, even those resulting in deaths, there is often a failure properly to investigate.

Without consent: how drugs companies exploit Indian 'guinea pigs' - Asia - World - The Independent

 

[Roybot]

OK,thank you for the link,now let's check out what this link really says

You are missing the point here. They have started coming to India now, while they have been doing it in China for quite some time, using you lots as "guineapigs"(just borrowing your words here).

Number of clinical trials being conducted in China and India.

http://clinicaltrial.gov/ct2/search/map?map=ES

http://clinicaltrial.gov/ct2/search/map?map=SS


What else you got?

 

[xizhimen]

You are missing the point here. They have started coming to India now, while they have been doing it in China for quite some time, using you lots as "guineapigs"(just borrowing your words here).

Number of clinical trials being conducted in China and India.

Studies on Map - ClinicalTrials.gov

Studies on Map - ClinicalTrials.gov


What else you got?

I fail to see any detailed comment about China in the whole article,your whole article is about Indian guinea pigs.and in term of social development factors,India is decades behind China,there is no comparison bw the two countries.

 

[Roybot]

I fail to see any detailed comment about China in the whole article,your whole article is about Indian guinea pigs.and in term of social development factors,India is decades behind China,there is no comparison bw the two countries.

What detailed comment do you want? Here's the list of all the trials going on in China right now.Search of: China - List Results - ClinicalTrials.gov

Some are even recruiting at the moment, looks like there are a fair few chinese people out there who are "poor, desperate, and have low dignity",( below_freezing, 2012).

And I am not talking about social development here. You are the one who brought up clinical trials, now man up and face the reality, instead of quibbling.

 

[Aramsogo]

You are missing the point here. They have started coming to India now, while they have been doing it in China for quite some time, using you lots as "guineapigs"(just borrowing your words here).

Number of clinical trials being conducted in China and India.

Studies on Map - ClinicalTrials.gov

Studies on Map - ClinicalTrials.gov


What else you got?

Actually, you completely miss the point. Drug companies like South Korea, Taiwan and China because of their highly homogeneous society, so it's easy to do statistical trials. SK and Taiwan are hardly poor and life is expensive. INDIA is far from homogenous, so it is just because life is cheap.

Get it? I do and I'm not even in pharma.

 

[xizhimen]

you map shows "Map of All Studies in ClinicalTrials.gov",the map shows even tiny S.korea conducted more trials than China.the medical trials conducted more in developed countries,US and Japan conduct more medical trials each year.that number is different from "Indians as guinea pigs: Clinical trials killed 1,600 people in the past two years".those guinea pigs trial are highly risky.in this part India claimed the crown of the world.

 

[Roybot]

Actually, you completely miss the point. Drug companies like South Korea, Taiwan and China because of their highly homogeneous society, so it's easy to do statistical trials. SK and Taiwan are hardly poor and life is expensive. INDIA is far from homogenous, so it is just because life is cheap.

Get it? I do and I'm not even in pharma.

These are the tests being conducted by American registered companies.

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you map shows "Map of All Studies in ClinicalTrials.gov",the map shows even tiny S.korea conducted more trials than China.the medical trials conducted more in developed countries,US and Japan conduct more medical trials each year.that number is different from "Indians as guinea pigs: Clinical trials killed 1,600 people in the past two years".those guinea pigs trial are highly risky.in this part India claimed the crown of the world.

you can see that 1600 killed in India, but you can't see that 2550 Chinese deaths in clinical trials? Is the great firewall of China blocking that?

 

[xizhimen]

what in it says 2550 Chinese deaths in clinical trials?? can you show us the link

 

[Aramsogo]

These are the tests being conducted by American registered companies.

Drug companies love Korea because they are so homogeneous. 50%+ even have the same surname (Kim).
South Korea is rich and expensive.
Ask yourself why India? You are hardly homogeneous like China, forget Korea

 

[Roybot]

what in it says 2550 Chinese deaths in clinical trials?? can you show us the link

Ok am not going to spoon feed you anymore!

Thats the number of deaths in each country.

 

[xizhimen]

really,where in it says that is the death chart instead of a medical trial number chart?

 

[Roybot]

Drug companies love Korea because they are so homogeneous. 50%+ even have the same surname (Kim).
South Korea is rich and expensive.
Ask yourself why India? You are hardly homogeneous like China, forget Korea

English speaking patients, and 1/6th of the world population, thats why. Although China is definitely a better homogeneous sample.

The two destinations that one day will eclipse all the others, including Europe and the United States, are China (with 1,861 trials) and India (with 1,457). A few years ago, India was home to more American drug trials than China was, thanks in part to its large English-speaking population. But that has changed. English is now mandatory in China’s elementary schools, and, owing to its population edge, China now has more people who speak English than India does.

 

[AADHAAR]

Indians are better at arguing. This thread is going to end of discovering that India is much better than China in every aspect. Book it. And then again another thread, and then again, to a never ending cycle.

That will leave quite a few chinese demoralised.

In remorse, they will start singing "toilets", "1962" ... lately, how many I-pad 2 the got.

And the more the discuss, the more demoralised they get ... when shown the mirror.

 

[AADHAAR]

really,where in it says that is the death chart instead of a medical trial number chart?

Dear, if some one dares to publish a death chart in China ... the poor jounalist who published it, would become a number on that death chart.

 

[xizhimen]

my link is undubiously shows the death toll of Indian guinea pigs,and can you provide anything to back up your claim that more Chinese killed in it?

Indians as guinea pigs: Clinical trials killed 1,600 people in the past two years
Indians as guinea pigs: Clinical trials killed 1600 people in the past two years; only 22 compensated for fatalities - Moneylife Personal Finance site and magazine