China-Russia-Saudi Arabia: Globe's Next Superpower

[lem34]

Yeah sure no dollar peg = currency so volatile that no self-respecting company will dare invest in our country. High oil prices = currency so expensive that no company invest because of high labor cost. Low oil prices = Currency so low that we do not have an industrial base to back it up we will starve.

I am sure you can put your feelings aside and recognize that things are not as easy as you make it sound like.

And yeah we do control the price of oil despite what PressTV says.

What is the matter with you. Your leaders are propping America up by supporting Dollar cant you see that. You should be able to influence them to what you want. Simply you cant cos of the Jews and AIPAC. The Americans take you for granted. How has Saudi been able to influence Americans??? have they got concessions regarding Palestinians -no, stop killing Muslims no. dont get me started again

 

[Mosamania]

Well from my earlier posts I believe with wise leaders Saudi can be very influential as a part of a group or as they do at the moment in propping up a super power. Honestly Mossa I have to say to you that Saudis can swing it for example imagine if they were aligned to China as closely as they are to America??? Just imagine

Why do I need to imagine?? Do you know Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's policy?? He dealt with both the US and the soviet union. This is the same policy by Saudi Arabia. Of course our history is not so bright but in time you will see what I mean.

 

[Generally Khan]

Well from my earlier posts I believe with wise leaders Saudi can be very influential as a part of a group or as they do at the moment in propping up a super power. Honestly Mossa I have to say to you that Saudis can swing it for example imagine if they were aligned to China as closely as they are to America??? Just imagine

Its already happening. China is wooing everyone in Middle East for oil. However, I'm not sure how the religious leaders will react, I know the house of Saud sell Americans as the 'people of the book' but what about Chinese? Would be interesting to hear from Mosamania on this.

 

[Mosamania]

What is the matter with you. Your leaders are propping America up by supporting Dollar cant you see that. You should be able to influence them to what you want. Simply you cant cos of the Jews and AIPAC. The Americans take you for granted. How has Saudi been able to influence Americans??? have they got concessions regarding Palestinians -no, stop killing Muslims no. dont get me started again

Again. You make it sound like all King Abdullah needs to do is make a few phone calls and then bam all the problems of the world are solved. Stop over simplifying these issues. After King Fahad the US were control of everything getting out of this stranglehold is not that easy you know. And so far we have been doing a damn good job at it. Aryan_B stop trying to teach me my own country please.

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Its already happening. China is wooing everyone in Middle East for oil. However, I'm not sure how the religious leaders will react, I know the house of Saud sell Americans as the 'people of the book' but what about Chinese? Would be interesting to hear from Mosamania on this.

This is business. Saudi Arabia is no longer ruled by religious fanatics it took us a helluva a lot of work to break free of that. We sell to the highest bidder it is as simple as that.

 

[Arian]

Wrong, wrong and wrong. Who fed you this crap that Lebanon has a stronger scientific base than Saudi Arabia?? because they have fashion shows and beauty pageants?? Our non-oil sector increased more than 13% last year. And why the hell would we go against Turkey?? Turkey is a very good ally of ours we are also military allies as well. We raised the Oil output anyway and the prices came down because we said so not you Libya or Venezuela could do a thing about it. We make our own oil refineries again we even make this refineries for other countries too ECONOMY - Aramco, PetroChina to build 200,000 barrel China refinery

Really Arian I thought you were better than this.

I corrected my mistake quickly, I wanted to say Egypt but because I was talking to a Lebanese I mistakenly said Lebanon. and yet Egypt has no scientific prowess in the world or even in the region.
Oil prices are still high and you failed to affect the OPEC's decision. Also you didn't do it alone, the western nations were forced to release their strategic oil reserves to weather the storm as well.
You said you're a regional super power. How could you be a regional super power when you're way behind Turkey for instance?

 

[azbaroj]

Russia:- 100% Possible
China :- 100% Possible
Saudi Arabia:- ???????

Clearly they are lack of Human resource . When their population cross five Crore they will become a regional power .

 

[Rang De]

india can never be a "superpower" with over more than 400,000,000-600,000,000 people starving and living below the global poverty line.

Riiight. "brother" China was poorer than India for most of last 60 years of independent history, in both per capita income and number of poors. Had a chance in 80s to apply this logic, you would have made this statement replacing India with China right?, especially considering you were then in bed with Uncle sam?

and don't know about superpower but definitely, India will take its rightful place in the world. and haters will continue to beg to everyone- West, East & to oil rich folks from Middle East.

Regarding Saudi Arabia becoming a "superpower" (i think a better phrase would be the most powerful country), i think its highly unlikely.

For one, in order to be a "superpower" you need to be able to project both soft power and hard power in the region as well as abroad on foreign lands, much like how the USA is able to do with its Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups.

Secondly, you must eliminate any competition in your neighborhood/region in order to gain dominance and from there you must then gain supremacy over international adversaries, as was in the case of USA and USSR (the former triumphed).

Thirdly, you need to have a 95-100% indigenous weapons production capability as well as industrial based economy. You also need a large pool of home grown engineers and scientists as well as a professional and experienced army that has a record of fighting on the front lines in various wars.

Fourthly, you need a lot of man power, and i mean A LOT, you can't put boots on foreign soil if you don't have enough men.

Fifthly, you need to be able to make other countries dependent on you and the power to isolate your adversaries which will eventually cause them to fall on their own.

Only a few countries have had these qualities in history.

Not sure about SA, but countries that have been and are ever keen to become a vassal state of a global power can never become anything remotely respectable.

 

[Mosamania]

I corrected my mistake quickly, I wanted to say Egypt but because I was talking to a Lebanese I mistakenly said Lebanon. and yet Egypt has no scientific prowess in the world or even in the region.
Oil prices are still high and you failed to affect the OPEC's decision. Also you didn't do it alone, the western nations were forced to release their strategic oil reserves to weather the storm as well.
You said you're a regional super power. How could you be a regional super power when you're way behind Turkey for instance?

Influence... Do you know the meaning of influence?? Turkey is greater than Iran and Saudi Arabia combined I have been there and seen it for it is. Besides Turkey and Saudi Arabia are on the same team. Again since Camp David the power to influence the Arab world is in Saudi hands. Saudi companies control ALL Arab media and can easily influence anyone from the Gulf to the Ocean. Our scientific prowess is increasing even though it is not meant to increase fast yet as we still have not finished the Higher Education phase it is only in early 2000s that we finished the Primary Education phase.

About Oil prices it is in Saudi Arabia's best interest to keep it high you know.

 

[Generally Khan]

This is business. Saudi Arabia is no longer ruled by religious fanatics it took us a helluva a lot of work to break free of that. We sell to the highest bidder it is as simple as that.

I'm afraid you are oversimplifying the issue, Mosamania. Sure it is business and ARAMCO will sell oil to anyone who can pay but in order to bring Saudi Arabia out of its shell, like you mentioned with Bhutto's policy of hedging, you'll have to allow Chinese in further. I know ARAMCO has been inking deals with the Chinese but the real question is what are the chances of Saudi Arabia opening up its labor market to China i.e. allowing Chinese doctors or nurses or engineers or labor force into the kingdom?

 

[Mosamania]

I'm afraid you are oversimplifying the issue, Mosamania. Sure it is business and ARAMCO will sell oil to anyone who can pay but in order to bring Saudi Arabia out of its shell, like you mentioned with Bhutto's policy of hedging, you'll have to allow Chinese in further. I know ARAMCO has been inking deals with the Chinese but the real question is what are the chances of Saudi Arabia opening up its labor market to China i.e. allowing Chinese doctors or nurses or engineers or labor force into the kingdom?

I met a Chinese doctor who was here for 2 months he had a really difficult time adapting here. And Doctors,Engineers and nurses we are trying to slow down their influx not increase it. We are already graduating enough people in those jobs we even have engineers who finished 4-5 years of college without work because the market is saturated with foreign labor.

 

[Arian]

Influence... Do you know the meaning of influence?? Turkey is greater than Iran and Saudi Arabia combined I have been there and seen it for it is. Besides Turkey and Saudi Arabia are on the same team. Again since Camp David the power to influence the Arab world is in Saudi hands. Saudi companies control ALL Arab media and can easily influence anyone from the Gulf to the Ocean. Our scientific prowess is increasing even though it is not meant to increase fast yet as we still have not finished the Higher Education phase it is only in early 2000s that we finished the Primary Education phase.

About Oil prices it is in Saudi Arabia's best interest to keep it high you know.

You probably mean the articles published by Arab news as your influence in the region? Turkey, for now, is in its own team. They are wisely managing their foreign diplomacy with her neighbors and the international community.
I really doubt Saudi Arabia is that influential as you say. As I've said before, Saudi Arabia isn't favored by Arabs in the Arab world. You aren't a democratic country, you advocate Islamic extremism, you have good ties with the Americans at a time that anti-American sentiments are high in the region, you've interfered in other countries' affairs in favor of the USA and many other factors. I'm not bashing Saudi Arabia, I'm just stating the opinion of many Arabs that I've talked to. Saudi Arabia is mostly favored by Pakistanis who have anti-Shi3a sentiments and some Arabs from the Persian Gulf region that feel endangered by Iran's growing power in their countries (like the Bahraini Sunnis for example).

It is indeed in Saudi Arabia's best interest to keep oil prices high, but that's not what the US-Saudi alliance have been established for.

If you see many people on the thread have cast doubt on Saudi Arabia being a global super power it's because you lack human resources and many other factors. It's not because they are biased or hate you. It's simply very unlikely that Saudi Arabia can get independent and becomes self-sufficient.

But anyway, I just wondered if you had any documents to back up your status as being a regional super power. so now you agree that you are not a regional 'super power'? That's where our discussion started.

 

[lem34]

Again. You make it sound like all King Abdullah needs to do is make a few phone calls and then bam all the problems of the world are solved. Stop over simplifying these issues. After King Fahad the US were control of everything getting out of this stranglehold is not that easy you know. And so far we have been doing a damn good job at it. Aryan_B stop trying to teach me my own country please.

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First its the height of ignorance on your part to suggest that you are saudi you live there so by definition you know more about saudi that statement is simply flawed.

Second you seem to be accepting my point but stating that its not easy to move away from America. Why are you not a sovreign nation???

 

[Generally Khan]

I met a Chinese doctor who was here for 2 months he had a really difficult time adapting here. And Doctors,Engineers and nurses we are trying to slow down their influx not increase it. We are already graduating enough people in those jobs we even have engineers who finished 4-5 years of college without work because the market is saturated with foreign labor.

Mosamania, you cannot base your argument on anecdotal evidence. What a few people do in an economy of billions of dollars doesn't matter. A shift in foreign policy can only be indicated if the kingdom open its labor market to China.

 

[Mosamania]

You probably mean the articles published by Arab news as your influence in the region? Turkey, for now, is in its own team. They are wisely managing their foreign diplomacy with her neighbors and the international community.
I really doubt Saudi Arabia is that influential as you say. As I've said before, Saudi Arabia isn't favored by Arabs in the Arab world. You aren't a democratic country, you advocate Islamic extremism, you have good ties with the Americans at a time that anti-American sentiments are high in the region, you've interfered in other countries' affairs in favor of the USA and many other factors. I'm not bashing Saudi Arabia, I'm just stating the opinion of many Arabs that I've talked to. Saudi Arabia is mostly favored by Pakistanis who have anti-Shi3a sentiments and some Arabs from the Persian Gulf region that feel endangered by Iran's growing power in their countries (like the Bahraini Sunnis for example).

It is indeed in Saudi Arabia's best interest to keep oil prices high, but that's not what the US-Saudi alliance have been established for.

If you see many people on the thread have cast doubt on Saudi Arabia being a global super power it's because you lack human resources and many other factors. It's not because they are biased or hate you. It's simply very unlikely that Saudi Arabia can get independent and becomes self-sufficient.

But anyway, I just wondered if you had any documents to back up your status as being a regional super power. so now you agree that you are not a regional 'super power'? That's where our discussion started.

It doesn't need documents it is out there. We can become self sufficient all we need is to continue the path we are in. I am sure in Iranian media KSA os downplayed it os the same here. All part of propaganda. We do not advocate Islamic extremism the US does the mere fact that we stopped this practice is evidence enough that we broke free from American Tyranny that turned our country to $hit. On our own we can not become a global super power I understand that very much. But in a regional level we have great influence. About human resources it is improving by each passing year.

 

[Generally Khan]

First its the height of ignorance on your part to suggest that you are saudi you live there so by definition you know more about saudi that statement is simply flawed.

Second you seem to be accepting my point but stating that its not easy to move away from America. Why are you not a sovreign nation???

In globalized economy, no nation is sovereign. United States is hostage to China and Saudi Arabia. Besides Saudi Arabia has good relations with United States and it shouldn't just throw them away. What Saudi Arabia needs is a balance, like United States has with Saudi Arabia and Israel.