China, Rome, and the United States

[Wholegrain]

If Japan could ruled China until now (with out intervention of Soviet U and USA in WW II), such stupid chinese boy could say That: Japanese adopted to confucius so thethey could rule China like Mongolian and Manchurian in the past.

If you keep on insulting other members and lying without providing any sources, I will continue to down rate your posts. You were the one who provoked KirovAirship.

The Manchus called themselves, "Dulimbai Gurun i niyalma", which means "Zhongguoren" AKA "Chinese people". They called the Qing as "Dulimbai Gurun" -Zhongguo,

https://webspace.utexas.edu/hl4958/perspectives/Zhao - reinventing china.pdf

The Japanese never called themselves Chinese during World War 2, they were Japanese ultranationalists and they didn't even annex any part of mainland China, instead they set up puppet states.

And Vietnamese love claiming Chinese dynasties like Tran and Ho as Vietnamese, even though the Tran and Ho neither called themselves Nguoi Kinh, nor Nguoi Viet.

The Soviet Union fought against China in WWII.

Ili Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK, Manchurian speak their own language.
But, Man-da-rin language is " 滿大人" language => Language úsed by Manchurian to rule China.

Tran, Ho came from Yue people to Vietnam very long time and became Vietnamese. Vietnamese didn't discriminired them. They defended Independence of Dai Viet from invasion of Chinese. They did good job.

However An Nam Chi Luoc stated Tran family is Jiao Zhi people.



You can ask some chiese PDF members, they ststed that Japan is in Sino-sphere with influences of Confucus.

If you deny that you can also say that Japanese used Han Ji for writing Kan Ji, he he.

When lying, its best not to lie about something which can be exposed so easily.

Online Etymology Dictionary

mandarin (n.)
"Chinese official," 1580s, via Portuguese mandarim or older Dutch mandorijn from Malay mantri, from Hindi mantri"councilor, minister of state," from Sanskrit mantri, nominative of mantrin- "advisor," from mantra "counsel," from PIE root*men- "to think" (see mind (n.)).

Form influenced in Portuguese by mandar "to command, order." Used generically for the several grades of Chinese officials; sense of "chief dialect of Chinese" (spoken by officials and educated people) is from c.1600. Transferred sense of "important person" attested by 1907. The type of small, deep-colored orange so called from 1771, from resemblance of its color to that of robes worn by mandarins.


Chinese Etymology Home Page

"Mandarin originally refers to the language spoken by Chinese officials who were mainly from Beijing. This language was called Guan-Yu 官語 Official-Language. The Sanskrit word Mandari comes through Portuguese and means commander related to English Mand-ate The early Portuguese referred to these people and their language as Mandarin"

 

[Europa]

situating the arguments made by @Lux de Veritas in a broader perspective, he appears comprehensible. point made and understood.

 

[Jlaw]

We should let Japan conquer China. We miss the boat or else Japan will be China's territory. Japan treated Taiwan so well that Taiwanese now still like Japan.

In comparison, the Waishengren are treated as Wai Lai Zheng Quan (外来政权) ， aka mainland Chinese invaders. The mainland Chinese started the 228 massacre.

228 Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Manchuria and Taiwan now in Japan hand, she will be much prosperous than today.

i don't think you understand. No country will let a foreign country "take over" their land. You are speaking like you live in an alternate universe. In this this universe, it means you are crazy.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

i don't think you understand. No country will let a foreign country "take over" their land. You are speaking like you live in an alternate universe. In this this universe, it means you are crazy.

Cool down. I am a patriotic Chinese and just want to balance the view of some fascist PRC here, who keep mis-informing people with correct facts.

 

[Jlaw]

Britian already was forced into giving independence,infact the war gave britain more time,read the act given to Indians by British in 1935
Japan was more interested in resources than china that's why they did not go outright to conquer entire china

Japan wanted entire China but only managed to temporarily control Shanghai and Nanjing. China with internal strife was able to defeat Japan before US was in control of the war.

 

[Europa]

i don't think you understand. No country will let a foreign country "take over" their land. You are speaking like you live in an alternate universe. In this this universe, it means you are crazy.

his vision perhaps transcends narrow national boundaries, he is most probably conceiving things in terms of civilizations if i am not wrong

 

[अखण्ड भारत!!!]

Japan wanted entire China but only managed to temporarily control Shanghai and Nanjing. China with internal strife was able to defeat Japan before US was in control of the war.

Only the soviets really kicked japan out

 

[INDIC]

When lying, its best not to lie about something which can be exposed so easily.

Online Etymology Dictionary

mandarin (n.)
"Chinese official," 1580s, via Portuguese mandarim or older Dutch mandorijn from Malay mantri, from Hindi mantri"councilor, minister of state," from Sanskrit mantri, nominative of mantrin- "advisor," from mantra "counsel," from PIE root*men- "to think" (see mind (n.)).

Form influenced in Portuguese by mandar "to command, order." Used generically for the several grades of Chinese officials; sense of "chief dialect of Chinese" (spoken by officials and educated people) is from c.1600. Transferred sense of "important person" attested by 1907. The type of small, deep-colored orange so called from 1771, from resemblance of its color to that of robes worn by mandarins.


Chinese Etymology Home Page

"Mandarin originally refers to the language spoken by Chinese officials who were mainly from Beijing. This language was called Guan-Yu 官語 Official-Language. The Sanskrit word Mandari comes through Portuguese and means commander related to English Mand-ate The early Portuguese referred to these people and their language as Mandarin"

That sounds very interesting.

 

[Viet]

Mandarin is a term originally from the Portuguese in the freaking MING DYNASTY, it is translated as 官話 during the past and 普通話 nowadays which means OFFICIAL LANGUAGE you retard, go and kill yourself.

Japanese was influenced by Confucius doesn't mean that they worship Confucius like most East Asians do you freaking dumb head~ Also using Han Ji doesn't mean that they are part of us nor they want to be

Mandarin translated in Vietnamese is: tiếng phò thong
tiếng=language
phò thong=widely used

so Mandarin is literally a language widely used in China, the most common Chinese dialect, the official language of China. other translation is "tiếng quan thoại".

quan=magistrate
thoại=sound

Mandarin is "tiếng quan thoại", a language used by magistrates in China.

 

[Mr Second Back]

The only East Asian who does not adopt Confuciusnism is the confused PRC.

Below is PRC smear dirt and curse Confucius, calling him worst scum in universe.

Even Japan love Confucius and never molest Confucius during Sino Japan war.

PRC only believe in husband and wife sabotaging one and another (夫妻互相批斗). Call monster Mao father 爹亲娘亲不如毛主席亲.

I dont think PRC can have gained such a big success from 1978 if continuing such situation and thinking what you mentioned above, or could you tell me a country or civilization that have never made a mistake during the pioneering period?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Guanhua = the standard Chinese dialect since many hundreds years

Mandarin = Guanhua with an Manchurian accent

The modern Guanhua has indeed been somewhat influenced by the Manchus, since they controlled China for more than 200 years.

But Manchu's influence on Guanhua is still less than French's influence on English.

Since Manchu was a culturally backward tribe conquered a culturally more advanced civilization, unlike France was more advanced than England when William the Conqueror has conquered Britain.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

你说的话 会 请 来 tien chu ah san 满口音不必说

Since Mandarin is just a stupid and incorrect western name for Putonghua.

Except Beijing/Tianjin and Liaoning, most northerners have a very standard Putonghua accent.

If you go to Haerbin, the accent there is so pleasant to hear.

 

[Snomannen]

Mandarin translated in Vietnamese is: tiếng phò thong
tiếng=language
phò thong=widely used

so Mandarin is literally a language widely used in China, the most common Chinese dialect, the official language of China. other translation is "tiếng quan thoại".

quan=magistrate
thoại=sound

Mandarin is "tiếng quan thoại", a language used by magistrates in China.

Ja aber I think that the "quan" in "tiếng quan thoại" is refereed as "quan chuc" which also means "official".

The only East Asian who does not adopt Confuciusnism is the confused PRC.

Below is PRC smear dirt and curse Confucius, calling him worst scum in universe.

Even Japan love Confucius and never molest Confucius during Sino Japan war.

PRC only believe in husband and wife sabotaging one and another (夫妻互相批斗). Call monster Mao father 爹亲娘亲不如毛主席亲.

Hey they used traditional Chinese in the first picture

 

[Viet]

Ja aber I think that the "quan" in "tiếng quan thoại" is refereed as "quan chuc" which also means "official".

yes, they have the same meaning.
mandarin="tiếng quan thoại" or "tiếng pho thong" in Vietnamese

tiếng=language
quan or quan chuc=magistrate or official
thoại=calling (dien thoại=to phone someone)

literally Mandarin means: the language of magistrates or officials.

I see you know Vietnamese a bit. actually Vietnamese is very similar to Mandarin. both are tonal language (5 tones). the grammatic is very easy (no conjugation of verbs). estimated 80 per cent of Vietnamese words are derived from Chinese.

 

[Wholegrain]

Rome was Rome.
The US is the US.
China is China,

There is no equivalence.

To the OP - masturbate if you have too much time on your hand.

OP Martian2 opened several stupid, provocative threads along this theme in the past and keeps on talking about how China must slaughter other people and saying China should copy Israel in the Gaza strip. If he opens another thread talking about China needing to invade and kill more people I'm going to issue more negative ratings to him.

Him making comments on news articles on other websites does not qualify for an entire thread.