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China responds to Indonesia’s question about alleged abuse of Xinjiang’s Muslims
  • Dian Septiari
    The Jakarta Post
Bandung / Thu, December 20, 2018 / 11:35 am
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Men dance in front of the Id Kah Mosque after morning prayers on June 26, 2017 during Idul Fitri in the old town of Kashgar in China's Xinjiang Uighur autonomous region. (Agence France -Presse/Johannes Esielle)

China has responded to Indonesia’s question about alleged human rights abuse against Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang, saying that Beijing guaranteed the religious freedom of all of its citizens, including the Uighurs.

A Chinese Embassy spokesman in Jakarta said in a statement on Thursday that “China is a country with multiple ethnic groups and religions".

“As prescribed in the Constitution, all Chinese citizens enjoy the freedom of religious belief,” the statement said.

The statement said that the Chinese government was facing the threat of religious extremism in Xinjiang, which is home to about 14 million Muslims. Some Xinjiang residents, it said, had struggled to find jobs because of their poor command of the nation’s official language and lack of skills.

“This has made them vulnerable to the instigation and coercion of terrorism and extremism,” it said.

“In light of the situation, Xinjiang has established professional vocational training institutions as the platform, providing courses on China’s common language, legal knowledge, vocational skills, along with de-radicalization education for citizens influenced by extremist ideas.”

Previously, the Foreign Ministry said it had summoned Chinese Ambassador to Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday to convey the concerns of Indonesian Muslims about the plight of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang.

“The Foreign Ministry stressed that in accordance with the universal declaration of human rights, religious freedom and belief are human rights and it is the responsibility of all countries to respect it,” ministry spokesperson Arrmanatha Nasir told reporters on the sidelines of the Diplofest event on Wednesday evening.

He said Xiao Qian conveyed China’s commitment to the protection of human rights. In addition, the ambassador said it was very important for the Indonesian public to know the condition of the Uighurs in Xinjiang, an autonomous region.

“Even though it is a domestic issue, the Foreign Ministry noted the embassy’s intention to expand communication with various civil society groups in order to convey information about the condition of the Uighur community.”

The summons of the Chinese ambassador came shortly after Indonesian Islamic groups demanded an explanation on the situation in Xinjiang.

Western countries have accused China of persecuting Uighurs through its “re-education centers”, which Beijing insisted were actually vocational and training centers that combat religious extremism.

The situation in Xinjiang was highlighted during China’s third United Nations Human Rights Council’s universal periodic review last month.

Human Rights Watch says Uighur people in particular are subject to intense surveillance and are made to give DNA and biometric samples.

Muhammadiyah chairman Haedar Nashir said if the reports were true, then China had violated universal human rights and his organization was ready to mobilize humanitarian and material support for peace in Xinjiang, especially for the Uighur community.

”The Chinese government’s inaction is feared to hurt diplomatic relations between Indonesia and China, and the good relations our people have had for centuries,” Haedar said as quoted by Antara on Wednesday.

Social media messages calling on Indonesians to take to the streets to defend Uighurs have been circulating online in the last few days.

On Monday, the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) advisory council leader and former chairman of Muhammadiyah, Din Syamsuddin, said the alleged crackdown was an outright violation of basic human rights and demanded that the Indonesian government take firm action to advocate for the Uighur people.

Responding to the MUI’s call, Vice President Jusuf Kalla said Indonesia would not interfere in China’s handling of Uighur Muslims.

“Of course we reject or [want to] prevent any human rights violations. However, we don’t want to intervene in the domestic affairs of another country,” Kalla told journalists on Monday.

The Chinese Embassy’s spokesman said that, “China and Indonesia have always supported each other on issues concerning respective major interests.

“I believe after knowing the real situation in Xinjiang, our Indonesian friends would better understand and support the Chinese government's efforts to combat terrorism and extremism and to safeguard stability and security in Xinjiang,” he said.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...about-alleged-abuse-of-xinjiangs-muslims.html
 
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Thats their policy and their sovereignty right, even when they decided to kill millions what can you do?

Indonesia need China cooperation more than with hypocritic Arab States, as they are one of our largest investor and trading partner and close relationship

Ummah is nothing but Bullshit, where Muslim support for Indonesia Papua case? Al jazeera even questioning our policy in Papua .

Their country their policy, as long as they dont touch Indonesia national Interest.
 
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China responds to Indonesia’s question about alleged abuse of Xinjiang’s Muslims
  • Dian Septiari
    The Jakarta Post
Bandung / Thu, December 20, 2018 / 11:35 am
2018_01_19_39159_1516359033._large.jpg

Men dance in front of the Id Kah Mosque after morning prayers on June 26, 2017 during Idul Fitri in the old town of Kashgar in China's Xinjiang Uighur autonomous region. (Agence France -Presse/Johannes Esielle)

China has responded to Indonesia’s question about alleged human rights abuse against Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang, saying that Beijing guaranteed the religious freedom of all of its citizens, including the Uighurs.

A Chinese Embassy spokesman in Jakarta said in a statement on Thursday that “China is a country with multiple ethnic groups and religions".

“As prescribed in the Constitution, all Chinese citizens enjoy the freedom of religious belief,” the statement said.

The statement said that the Chinese government was facing the threat of religious extremism in Xinjiang, which is home to about 14 million Muslims. Some Xinjiang residents, it said, had struggled to find jobs because of their poor command of the nation’s official language and lack of skills.

“This has made them vulnerable to the instigation and coercion of terrorism and extremism,” it said.

“In light of the situation, Xinjiang has established professional vocational training institutions as the platform, providing courses on China’s common language, legal knowledge, vocational skills, along with de-radicalization education for citizens influenced by extremist ideas.”

Previously, the Foreign Ministry said it had summoned Chinese Ambassador to Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday to convey the concerns of Indonesian Muslims about the plight of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang.

“The Foreign Ministry stressed that in accordance with the universal declaration of human rights, religious freedom and belief are human rights and it is the responsibility of all countries to respect it,” ministry spokesperson Arrmanatha Nasir told reporters on the sidelines of the Diplofest event on Wednesday evening.

He said Xiao Qian conveyed China’s commitment to the protection of human rights. In addition, the ambassador said it was very important for the Indonesian public to know the condition of the Uighurs in Xinjiang, an autonomous region.

“Even though it is a domestic issue, the Foreign Ministry noted the embassy’s intention to expand communication with various civil society groups in order to convey information about the condition of the Uighur community.”

The summons of the Chinese ambassador came shortly after Indonesian Islamic groups demanded an explanation on the situation in Xinjiang.

Western countries have accused China of persecuting Uighurs through its “re-education centers”, which Beijing insisted were actually vocational and training centers that combat religious extremism.

The situation in Xinjiang was highlighted during China’s third United Nations Human Rights Council’s universal periodic review last month.

Human Rights Watch says Uighur people in particular are subject to intense surveillance and are made to give DNA and biometric samples.

Muhammadiyah chairman Haedar Nashir said if the reports were true, then China had violated universal human rights and his organization was ready to mobilize humanitarian and material support for peace in Xinjiang, especially for the Uighur community.

”The Chinese government’s inaction is feared to hurt diplomatic relations between Indonesia and China, and the good relations our people have had for centuries,” Haedar said as quoted by Antara on Wednesday.

Social media messages calling on Indonesians to take to the streets to defend Uighurs have been circulating online in the last few days.

On Monday, the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) advisory council leader and former chairman of Muhammadiyah, Din Syamsuddin, said the alleged crackdown was an outright violation of basic human rights and demanded that the Indonesian government take firm action to advocate for the Uighur people.

Responding to the MUI’s call, Vice President Jusuf Kalla said Indonesia would not interfere in China’s handling of Uighur Muslims.

“Of course we reject or [want to] prevent any human rights violations. However, we don’t want to intervene in the domestic affairs of another country,” Kalla told journalists on Monday.

The Chinese Embassy’s spokesman said that, “China and Indonesia have always supported each other on issues concerning respective major interests.

“I believe after knowing the real situation in Xinjiang, our Indonesian friends would better understand and support the Chinese government's efforts to combat terrorism and extremism and to safeguard stability and security in Xinjiang,” he said.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...about-alleged-abuse-of-xinjiangs-muslims.html

We also have our own problem. Like the separatist in Papua. Don't you know that they're arise again lately? With their kidnapping, killing, etc? They even accuse us of violating of human right; Although they act like thug and kidnap and killing civilians. And the worst part is, that those rebel have come to UN to appeal for their struggle against Indonesia.

You know who support them, and who is the one that usually accuse us with human right violation in Papua. They are quiet now because they need us to become their meat shield from China.

So what should we do? Which is more important, Uyghur or Papua? If we quiet now, We can ask help to China in UN. They have veto in UN Security council after all. Or at least, we have only need to care about one front. But if we interfere with their internal problem, then we should be careful, when Papua matter become global.

Because at that time, we are not only have to face Papua traditional supporters, but also China. China tend to "For eyes to eyes". So who will help us then at that time? US? Papua's supporters are US closest Allies.
 
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My take in this case is just keep silent and quite. Dont bark dont yell, China today is not China of yesterday, they even can playing tug of war in trade war against the largest economy in the world (USA) and at the same time pouring hundreds of billions US dollar of investment and pulling the string behind the scene of many developed countries to retaliate against them if necessary.

This case is not worth a dime to get our attention and put good relationship with China in jeopardy
 
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Uyghurs have a nationalistic turk nationalism driving seperatist movement. It has nothing to do with being muslim or religion of islam. Some westerners and some uyghurs are using Muslim and islamic name to gather support outside of china.

Its a purely turkic nationalist movement they want home for turkic people and call it turk-istan or east Turkey. This has nothing to do with muslims or Islam or religious freedom.

Other non uyghur (turkic) Muslims like hui, tajik, russians, han , mongol and kazakh muslims have no problem and no stake in xinjiang seperatism.

Its only a small group of few uyghur (Turkic) People who happen to be muslim also. They are using name of islam to gather support. This doesnt serve islam in china.

If people support this movment it mean islam is being seperated and ousted from china, china was among first countries to accept islam almost same time as arabian people accepted islam.

Dont give into this propaganda My muslim brothers from indonesia pakistan india and other places.
I am a pakistani kashmiri Muslim 30 year old who has lived in Xinjiang urumqi and kashghar for 6 years i was a student there. I have many friends there i came to pakistan in 2015 i know the situation.


Please don't confuse it with religious problem its a seperatist problem with terrorist people. Chinese have started to fear muslim people because of these uyghur terrosits. Not all uyghurs are terrorist very few are playing into western and indian propaganda.


Pakistaniz bangalis indonesians and other muslim brothers and sisters need to understand u can send people to visit xinjiang as studnets and tourists take camers and see for urself there is no such problem.

This is just a propaganda to divide china and make china a weak nation. They want muslims to he enemies of chinese.

Western people cannot fight muslims head on and they want weak muslims also so they want muslims countries and china to be divded and be enemies of each other . that is their lomg term plan .

Westerns play the game of Divide and conquer

Examples: Soviet union, United India, pakistani union before 1971, ottoman empire, China, Hong Kong, Mongolia. Germany, yogoslavia, Syria, Iraq etc etc
 
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Uyghurs have a nationalistic turk nationalism driving seperatist movement. It has nothing to do with being muslim or religion of islam. Some westerners and some uyghurs are using Muslim and islamic name to gather support outside of china.

Its a purely turkic nationalist movement they want home for turkic people and call it turk-istan or east Turkey. This has nothing to do with muslims or Islam or religious freedom.

Other non uyghur (turkic) Muslims like hui, tajik, russians, han , mongol and kazakh muslims have no problem and no stake in xinjiang seperatism.

Its only a small group of few uyghur (Turkic) People who happen to be muslim also. They are using name of islam to gather support. This doesnt serve islam in china.

If people support this movment it mean islam is being seperated and ousted from china, china was among first countries to accept islam almost same time as arabian people accepted islam.

Dont give into this propaganda My muslim brothers from indonesia pakistan india and other places.
I am a pakistani kashmiri Muslim 30 year old who has lived in Xinjiang urumqi and kashghar for 6 years i was a student there. I have many friends there i came to pakistan in 2015 i know the situation.


Please don't confuse it with religious problem its a seperatist problem with terrorist people. Chinese have started to fear muslim people because of these uyghur terrosits. Not all uyghurs are terrorist very few are playing into western and indian propaganda.


Pakistaniz bangalis indonesians and other muslim brothers and sisters need to understand u can send people to visit xinjiang as studnets and tourists take camers and see for urself there is no such problem.

This is just a propaganda to divide china and make china a weak nation. They want muslims to he enemies of chinese.

Western people cannot fight muslims head on and they want weak muslims also so they want muslims countries and china to be divded and be enemies of each other . that is their lomg term plan .

Westerns play the game of Divide and conquer

Examples: Soviet union, United India, pakistani union before 1971, ottoman empire, China, Hong Kong, Mongolia. Germany, yogoslavia, Syria, Iraq etc etc
The OP is a nationalistic anti China indon.
 
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Thats their policy and their sovereignty right, even when they decided to kill millions what can you do?

Indonesia need China cooperation more than with hypocritic Arab States, as they are one of our largest investor and trading partner and close relationship

Ummah is nothing but Bullshit, where Muslim support for Indonesia Papua case? Al jazeera even questioning our policy in Papua .

Their country their policy, as long as they dont touch Indonesia national Interest.
China.support Indonesia policy in Papua.

Uyghurs have a nationalistic turk nationalism driving seperatist movement. It has nothing to do with being muslim or religion of islam. Some westerners and some uyghurs are using Muslim and islamic name to gather support outside of china.

Its a purely turkic nationalist movement they want home for turkic people and call it turk-istan or east Turkey. This has nothing to do with muslims or Islam or religious freedom.

Other non uyghur (turkic) Muslims like hui, tajik, russians, han , mongol and kazakh muslims have no problem and no stake in xinjiang seperatism.

Its only a small group of few uyghur (Turkic) People who happen to be muslim also. They are using name of islam to gather support. This doesnt serve islam in china.

If people support this movment it mean islam is being seperated and ousted from china, china was among first countries to accept islam almost same time as arabian people accepted islam.

Dont give into this propaganda My muslim brothers from indonesia pakistan india and other places.
I am a pakistani kashmiri Muslim 30 year old who has lived in Xinjiang urumqi and kashghar for 6 years i was a student there. I have many friends there i came to pakistan in 2015 i know the situation.


Please don't confuse it with religious problem its a seperatist problem with terrorist people. Chinese have started to fear muslim people because of these uyghur terrosits. Not all uyghurs are terrorist very few are playing into western and indian propaganda.


Pakistaniz bangalis indonesians and other muslim brothers and sisters need to understand u can send people to visit xinjiang as studnets and tourists take camers and see for urself there is no such problem.

This is just a propaganda to divide china and make china a weak nation. They want muslims to he enemies of chinese.

Western people cannot fight muslims head on and they want weak muslims also so they want muslims countries and china to be divded and be enemies of each other . that is their lomg term plan .

Westerns play the game of Divide and conquer

Examples: Soviet union, United India, pakistani union before 1971, ottoman empire, China, Hong Kong, Mongolia. Germany, yogoslavia, Syria, Iraq etc etc
very.well.said, China has nothing against Muslim. but we.have problem with Seperatists and terrorists.

we support all rightous course of any legitimate goverment to seek soverighty integrity and unity.

i have.a sincere suggestion for Indonesia: dont fall into the trap set by the USA.

most Indonesians dont evn know where Xinjiang is.

Thats their policy and their sovereignty right, even when they decided to kill millions what can you do?

Indonesia need China cooperation more than with hypocritic Arab States, as they are one of our largest investor and trading partner and close relationship

Ummah is nothing but Bullshit, where Muslim support for Indonesia Papua case? Al jazeera even questioning our policy in Papua .

Their country their policy, as long as they dont touch Indonesia national Interest.
the Uyghers population had increased from 1 millions to 10million on the last 60years. kill a million, are.yoi.kidding me?

who is.gonna pay for.the.bullet?

never kick up a fuss when you dont know.the truth behind it.

i tell you Uyghers did kill other ethnic muslim in July 5th, 2009.

Muslim community shall.not voice support for seperatists in China, even they are muslim.
 
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How about half a million ethnic Chinese killed by ID Muslims in the 1960s?

LOL. Bring me some prove of that number ? 1966 is all about anti communist. It is like civil war, if there is Chinese death it is due to them being communist.
 
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