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December 21, 2008: On December 11th, Russia and China signed an agreement, in which China promised to stop stealing Russian military technology. It appears that the main function of the new "military technical cooperation" agreement is to stop China from exporting their copies of Russian equipment, and competing with the Russian originals.

For the last five years, the Russian government has been trying to deal with the growing problem Russian defense manufacturers have had with China tolerating, or even encouraging, Chinese manufacturers to steal Russian military technology. It's not entire weapons systems the Chinese are stealing (like aircraft or ships), but components. Radars and electronic systems in particular were being copied, often using samples and technical data provided by Russian manufacturers, in anticipation of a sale. What often happened was that there was no sale, and then, a few years later, the Chinese came out with a copy, often a blatant copy, of the Russian radar, missile or electronic warfare gear. The Chinese have produced several copies of Russian artillery systems (like the 2S19M1 self-propelled 155mm gun or several multiple rocket launcher systems.) The Chinese used their status as a major buyer of Russian aircraft and warships to deflect demands that the copying cease. The Russians feared that the Chinese would copy major systems, like aircraft or ships, and continue to ignore Russian demands that their intellectual property rights be respected.

This is ironic for the Russians. During the Cold War, much Western military and civilian technology was blatantly copied, including microprocessors and computers themselves, by the Russians. Since the end of the Cold War, Russia has been more careful about this, because the collapse of the Soviet Union opened up the Russian defense labs, and their large store of discoveries that had not been developed into anything useful yet. American manufacturers were eager to get rights to this technology, once they got a good look at it. The Western firms paid, and the billions of dollars that entered the Russian economy that way forced the Russians to reciprocate, and pay for Western technology they wanted.

The Chinese have been forced by the West to cut back on some of their blatant theft of foreign technology, except for Russian military stuff. The Russians were getting fed up, and the government was under growing pressure to crack down on the Chinese theft. Russia, flush with oil revenues and a booming economy, was not as desperate for Chinese arms business as they used to be. So for the last year, Chinese purchases of Russian military equipment have declined, as the Chinese were increasingly offering stolen Russian technology for export sales. Finally, Russia threatened legal action on an international scale. Thus the new agreement was a Chinese effort to avoid that sort of legal entanglement.



Procurement: China Sort Of Promises To Stop Stealing Russian Tech
 
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this agreement is more or less acknowledgement on chinas part that they reverse engineer russian products? then does it make of the recent chinese advances in aircraft, submarimes , awacs nothing but a inferior copy? please discuss with technical information.
 
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December 21, 2008: On December 11th, Russia and China signed an agreement, in which China promised to stop stealing Russian military technology. It appears that the main function of the new "military technical cooperation" agreement is to stop China from exporting their copies of Russian equipment, and competing with the Russian originals.

For the last five years, the Russian government has been trying to deal with the growing problem Russian defense manufacturers have had with China tolerating, or even encouraging, Chinese manufacturers to steal Russian military technology. It's not entire weapons systems the Chinese are stealing (like aircraft or ships), but components. Radars and electronic systems in particular were being copied, often using samples and technical data provided by Russian manufacturers, in anticipation of a sale. What often happened was that there was no sale, and then, a few years later, the Chinese came out with a copy, often a blatant copy, of the Russian radar, missile or electronic warfare gear. The Chinese have produced several copies of Russian artillery systems (like the 2S19M1 self-propelled 155mm gun or several multiple rocket launcher systems.) The Chinese used their status as a major buyer of Russian aircraft and warships to deflect demands that the copying cease. The Russians feared that the Chinese would copy major systems, like aircraft or ships, and continue to ignore Russian demands that their intellectual property rights be respected.

This is ironic for the Russians. During the Cold War, much Western military and civilian technology was blatantly copied, including microprocessors and computers themselves, by the Russians. Since the end of the Cold War, Russia has been more careful about this, because the collapse of the Soviet Union opened up the Russian defense labs, and their large store of discoveries that had not been developed into anything useful yet. American manufacturers were eager to get rights to this technology, once they got a good look at it. The Western firms paid, and the billions of dollars that entered the Russian economy that way forced the Russians to reciprocate, and pay for Western technology they wanted.

The Chinese have been forced by the West to cut back on some of their blatant theft of foreign technology, except for Russian military stuff. The Russians were getting fed up, and the government was under growing pressure to crack down on the Chinese theft. Russia, flush with oil revenues and a booming economy, was not as desperate for Chinese arms business as they used to be. So for the last year, Chinese purchases of Russian military equipment have declined, as the Chinese were increasingly offering stolen Russian technology for export sales. Finally, Russia threatened legal action on an international scale. Thus the new agreement was a Chinese effort to avoid that sort of legal entanglement.



Procurement: China Sort Of Promises To Stop Stealing Russian Tech
As long as Russia doesn't impede on our selling its own JF-17 engines to us or allow China to sell us a copy.

Either ONE has to happen.
 
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So who stole German military technologies???:)Russians/Americans. google it someone has to look into their own house before stepping outside.
 
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So who stole German military technologies???:)Russians/Americans. google it someone has to look into their own house before stepping outside.

i acknowledge the fact that the russia copied or stole a lot of technologies from around the world,ands its a very commom practice for every country but the russians are also the pioneers of various defence technologies which were copied by the west and the rest. what is chinas contribution to the world in case of defence technologies.
you earn some and steal some but you steal all and earn nothing is just not in. thanks
 
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why cant china come up with joint development projects with russia rather than copying
its a more logical solution.
even india when they lack certain technology they come up with joint ventures involving multiple countries.it produces better product
 
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i acknowledge the fact that the russia copied or stole a lot of technologies from around the world,ands its a very commom practice for every country but the russians are also the pioneers of various defence technologies which were copied by the west and the rest. what is chinas contribution to the world in case of defence technologies.
you earn some and steal some but you steal all and earn nothing is just not in. thanks
Who cares?

Whatever China may have copied from Russia, Russia got some big fat checks in return.

IPRs don't matter the same way when it comes to the country's defence. You beg, borrow, steal but defend your borders. Copying this well is an art too.
 
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What's this about copying and stealing?? Pure BS!!!!!

It's called reversed engineering (everybody does this includes France, UK, US, and anyone else). Why would you copy a product that's inferior to begin with?

You reversed engineering it and then you modify and improve it. If it's modified and improved then it's no longer behaving as the original it (so it cannot be considered as a copy).
 
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What's this about copying and stealing?? Pure BS!!!!!

It's called reversed engineering (everybody does this includes France, UK, US, and anyone else). Why would you copy a product that's inferior to begin with?

You reversed engineering it and then you modify and improve it. If it's modified and improved then it's no longer behaving as the original it (so it cannot be considered as a copy).[/QUote)

reverse engineering is the millineums nee way of putting the age old phenomenon of copying,;);)
you produce the better product only if you know all the technical details from the time of R&D to the final integration of the product but if u only produce the product by studying the prototype without the basic knowledge you will always end up with an inferior product.:agree:
 
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Are u contradicting yourself? Then the ******* Rusky should have nothing to worry about.
 
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there is no contradiction my friend copying with proper technical know how leads to superior product< in case of US,UK,FRANCE,GERMANY,USSR.and RUSSIA,>
copying blindly without proper technical knowhow leads to inferior product and also damages the repution of the original product.

over the years many countries had tried to reverse engineer the famous KALASHNIKOV
but none of the copy could ever match the performance of the original.
a very good example can be cited by india used cheap replaceable spares for its mig21 aircraft when russia was unable to provide it.< india acknowledges it > and the world could already see the reasults for themselves.

the idea is not in the problem of copying ,copy for sure but with permission and proper knowhow.
thanks
 
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If u r doing reversed engineering and you don't know the what the **** you're doing then you should not be doing reversed engineering.

"but none of the copy could ever match the performance of the original." You truly believe this? And you cited India???
 
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indias example applies to the mig 21 and not the kalashnikovs.
and i truely believe that the reverse engineered kalashnikovs never matched the performance of the real ones.< just a personal idea no grudges>
 
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Mig 21 made in India is a joke (if I were the IAF pilot I wouldn't fly that POS).

"and i truely believe that the reverse engineered kalashnikovs never matched the performance of the real ones." Please amplify this. R u referring to the firing of bullets per second? The accuracy of the rifle?
 
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