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China Promises To Stop Stealing Russian Tech

Mig 21 made in India is a joke (if I were the IAF pilot I wouldn't fly that POS).

"and i truely believe that the reverse engineered kalashnikovs never matched the performance of the real ones." Please amplify this. R u referring to the firing of bullets per second? The accuracy of the rifle?

sir i would refer to you this book " rifles of the world " by john walters its the 3rd edition pages <204 to 208 a small part of a chapter >

anyways i already stated that its a personal opinion i have mine and you have yours and i respect that. thanks :cheers:
 
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Okay!!!

Rusky military hardware technology will be the things in the past for Sino. The Sino leaders have made statements that Sino wants to lead in innovation and invention in 21st and 22nd centuries.

We shall see and have no doubts that Sino has the ingredients to accomplish it.
 
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So who stole German military technologies???:)Russians/Americans. google it someone has to look into their own house before stepping outside.

Wait just one cotton pickin' minute there! We stole it fair and square! US and Russia wacked Nazi Germany and sliced the pie in half:P

Seriously though, as far as the US is concerned, they allowed the brilliant scientists to research on their own also ( Werner Von Braun). Russia also did the same. They rewarded their scientists well - financially as well as status wise.

As a result both Russia and the US were able to learn and develop new technologies.

China on the other hand was financially strapped and did not have the capital to fund research. So they stole - and copied -with a mish mash of results.

The Russians learnt their lesson with copying too - when they copied the B-29 into a TU-12 ( engineering flaws and all as they had an earlier version without the fixes)

That's the problem with copying. It's also called reverse Engineering I'm told.
 
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December 21, 2008: On December 11th, Russia and China signed an agreement, in which China promised to stop stealing Russian military technology. It appears that the main function of the new "military technical cooperation" agreement is to stop China from exporting their copies of Russian equipment, and competing with the Russian originals.

For the last five years, the Russian government has been trying to deal with the growing problem Russian defense manufacturers have had with China tolerating, or even encouraging, Chinese manufacturers to steal Russian military technology. It's not entire weapons systems the Chinese are stealing (like aircraft or ships), but components. Radars and electronic systems in particular were being copied, often using samples and technical data provided by Russian manufacturers, in anticipation of a sale. What often happened was that there was no sale, and then, a few years later, the Chinese came out with a copy, often a blatant copy, of the Russian radar, missile or electronic warfare gear. The Chinese have produced several copies of Russian artillery systems (like the 2S19M1 self-propelled 155mm gun or several multiple rocket launcher systems.) The Chinese used their status as a major buyer of Russian aircraft and warships to deflect demands that the copying cease. The Russians feared that the Chinese would copy major systems, like aircraft or ships, and continue to ignore Russian demands that their intellectual property rights be respected.

This is ironic for the Russians. During the Cold War, much Western military and civilian technology was blatantly copied, including microprocessors and computers themselves, by the Russians. Since the end of the Cold War, Russia has been more careful about this, because the collapse of the Soviet Union opened up the Russian defense labs, and their large store of discoveries that had not been developed into anything useful yet. American manufacturers were eager to get rights to this technology, once they got a good look at it. The Western firms paid, and the billions of dollars that entered the Russian economy that way forced the Russians to reciprocate, and pay for Western technology they wanted.

The Chinese have been forced by the West to cut back on some of their blatant theft of foreign technology, except for Russian military stuff. The Russians were getting fed up, and the government was under growing pressure to crack down on the Chinese theft. Russia, flush with oil revenues and a booming economy, was not as desperate for Chinese arms business as they used to be. So for the last year, Chinese purchases of Russian military equipment have declined, as the Chinese were increasingly offering stolen Russian technology for export sales. Finally, Russia threatened legal action on an international scale. Thus the new agreement was a Chinese effort to avoid that sort of legal entanglement.



Procurement: China Sort Of Promises To Stop Stealing Russian Tech

This is probably the childesh treaty that i have ever read upon. The story of panokio, where the nose keeps growing, and then russian relize that the Chinese been lying all along, a new treaty is signed. Just laughable. Well anything that will generate money.
 
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Wait just one cotton pickin' minute there! We stole it fair and square! US and Russia wacked Nazi Germany and sliced the pie in half:P

Seriously though, as far as the US is concerned, they allowed the brilliant scientists to research on their own also ( Werner Von Braun). Russia also did the same. They rewarded their scientists well - financially as well as status wise.

As a result both Russia and the US were able to learn and develop new technologies.

China on the other hand was financially strapped and did not have the capital to fund research. So they stole - and copied -with a mish mash of results.

The Russians learnt their lesson with copying too - when they copied the B-29 into a TU-12 ( engineering flaws and all as they had an earlier version without the fixes)

That's the problem with copying. It's also called reverse Engineering I'm told.

The German started the modern missile technology (i.e. V rocket), although, Sino started the ancient missile technology. Uncle Sam and Rusky troops were able to capture some German scientists and V rockets. Nice loot for them.

In reversed engineering the V rocket, Uncle Sam and Rusky experienced technical difficulties but eventually they managed to improve the rocket. NOTE: The objective of reversed engineering is NOT to copy but to modify and improve.

So, what Sino is doing is no different than Uncle Sam, or Rusky.

<This is probably the childesh treaty that i have ever read upon. The story of panokio, where the nose keeps growing, and then russian relize that the Chinese been lying all along, a new treaty is signed. Just laughable. Well anything that will generate money.>

You seem to be intimate with the story of pinocchio. Do u have long nose? Don't tell me u or India never lies.
 
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