China Pledges Support for Taliban in Afghanistan, while Taliban Assured China They Would Not Support ETIM Terrorist !

[nang2]

Your cousin is afraid that if you do something bad, she will be implicated. Generally speaking, if necessary, the police will find you instead of reporting to the police.

Probably. Can't blame her. After all, she is IN THE SYSTEM.

Considering everything is managed digitally in China, can’t there be an app or wechat sub-app that can automatically notify the authorities of your location in compliance with local laws. Documents can be stored on the phone and if they need any updated documents or pictures, a person could just do it all from their phones.

Technologies are all there. As the same everywhere else, improving the quality of public services is usually not of a high priority for politicians until there is enough complain.

 

[Globenim]

Try not to tell people to go to XinJiang. Foreigners visiting XinJiang is still quite restricted. It is not like they can go around and take pictures to their heart's content.

I grew up in XinJiang. Most of my high school classmates still live in XinJiang. Many of them are involved in military or armed police since my high school was founded mainly for children in army. And I am not even American. I only work in US. Don't you know what each flag means in this forum? Yet you naively think I get my information from BBC or CNN, which I don't even watch.

If you are a non-Chinese national already, you would know that when you visit China, you are required by law to report to the local police within 24 hours. The hotel you stay will do that for you. But if you visit relatives or friends, they need to report to the police with you along with their residence proof (Hu Kou). What is more interesting is that the address on their Hu Kou must match the address where you would stay, which is increasingly difficult to comply since many folks own multiple houses. So, I would say, yes, they know where you are. For this matter, I actually consulted my cousin who is a policewoman in charge of this function dealing with foreigners, she advised me to follow the law. They don't always check on you but if they do and find you didn't report in time, you are in trouble.

Actually that is not true. For example in US, as a foreigner, you are required to report when you change address of residence but it is not required when you visit friends and stay at their place for a few days after you have arrived in US and reported your first address of stay. But it is required in China. In China you are required to report at every move, even temporary ones. In us you are required to report your permanent moves only. Big difference.

Probably. Can't blame her. After all, she is IN THE SYSTEM.

Technologies are all there. As the same everywhere else, improving the quality of public services is usually not of a high priority for politicians until there is enough complain.

So serveral pages later this terrible, omnious, unpredictable, unexplainable, harassment and discrimination and overbearing restrictions occuring in Xinjiang you were so vague about in the beginning, thats supposed to justify discouraging tourists from visiting a place your U.S. regime coincidentally runs massive state run propaganda campaigns to lie and slander about, to including other things harm tourism and other aspects of the economy, that was somehow also supposed to be tied to some Chinese government censorship campaign too, because you just had to shoehorn something from the top of the buzzword checklist of U.S. state propaganda into the story...

...turns out to be just hot air about a very predictable, clearly stated and legaly regulated passport or residence certificate check uppon arrival at a tourist accomodation, be it a hotel or another private accomodation. And the other big dramatic problem turns out the be that Chinese residents providing accomodations to foreign visitors may run into an old technical problem with the registration when they own many different properties and want to accomodate people in another residence?

Thats it? Something we know is common and not uncalled for in many places all over the world, including on demand in the U.S.A. where tourists whill have to show anything that the U.S. government may completely arbitrarily demand from you, from bank records to a whole itinerary for any planed longerterm and temporary stay, before you even get to enter the country, with any devations on your behalf enough to warrant arrest if they desire so. Nevermind the threat of political motivated arbitrary arrest by the U.S. regime on bogus charges completely unrelated to the trip for political pokering. Nevermind the effort you had to make to play down this monitoring in the U.S.A. because the things you are complaining about in China are already so nitpicky and pathetic.

Which are both not even problems for the kind of tourists you were promoting to discourage from visiting Xinjiang. The ones that have no relation nevermind relavtives or friends in China and dont know anything about China and and are suspectible to disinformation spread by American and British propaganda mouthpieces that is easily debunked by just visiting the place, which you where rushing to defend at the beginning.

Legally and technically, because unless you are some troublemaker, affiliated to some official or cover U.S. or British government organisation or similar or the area isnt say primary target of U.S. terrorists, no one actually makes a fuz about these regulations.

Thats smells like some really drawnup and pathetic excuse to justify this dumb position to discourage people to see Xinjiang with their own eyes, rather than consuming and blindly believing American regime backed and run disinformation campaigns and blatant lies about China.

And as for your dubious personal anecdotes. You are part of the system that is training and sending terrorists and covert agents specifically targeting Xinjiang to harm, discriminate and deliberately start trouble against Chinese or at least support anti-China propaganda serving the same goal and you are trying to shame and shift the blame on China for strict regulations when dealing with visitors from a pariah state like the U.S.A. ? Your countries aggressive policies are the single biggest justification for the regulations. Are you drunk on your American Exeptionalism brand koolaid again?

 

[nang2]

So serveral pages later this terrible, omnious, unpredictable, unexplainable, harassment and discrimination and overbearing restrictions occuring in Xinjiang you were so vague about in the beginning, thats supposed to justify discouraging tourists from visiting a place your U.S. regime coincidentally runs massive state run propaganda campaigns to lie and slander about, to including other things harm tourism and other aspects of the economy, that was somehow also supposed to be tied to some Chinese government censorship campaign too, because you just had to shoehorn something from the top of the buzzword checklist of U.S. state propaganda into the story...

...turns out to be just hot air about a very predictable, clearly stated and legaly regulated passport or residence certificate check uppon arrival at a tourist accomodation, be it a hotel or another private accomodation. And the other big dramatic problem turns out the be that Chinese residents providing accomodations to foreign visitors may run into an old technical problem with the registration when they own many different properties and want to accomodate people in another residence?

Thats it? Something we know is common and not uncalled for in many places all over the world, including on demand in the U.S.A. where tourists whill have to show anything that the U.S. government may completely arbitrarily demand from you, from bank records to a whole itinerary for any planed longerterm and temporary stay, before you even get to enter the country, with any devations on your behalf enough to warrant arrest if they desire so. Nevermind the threat of political motivated arbitrary arrest by the U.S. regime on bogus charges completely unrelated to the trip for political pokering. Nevermind the effort you had to make to play down this monitoring in the U.S.A. because the things you are complaining about in China are already so nitpicky and pathetic.

Which are both not even problems for the kind of tourists you were promoting to discourage from visiting Xinjiang. The ones that have no relation nevermind relavtives or friends in China and dont know anything about China and and are suspectible to disinformation spread by American and British propaganda mouthpieces that is easily debunked by just visiting the place, which you where rushing to defend at the beginning.

Legally and technically, because unless you are some troublemaker, affiliated to some official or cover U.S. or British government organisation or similar or the area isnt say primary target of U.S. terrorists, no one actually makes a fuz about these regulations.

Thats smells like some really drawnup and pathetic excuse to justify this dumb position to discourage people to see Xinjiang with their own eyes, rather than consuming and blindly believing American regime backed and run disinformation campaigns and blatant lies about China.

And as for your dubious personal anecdotes. You are part of the system that is training and sending terrorists and covert agents specifically targeting Xinjiang to harm, discriminate and deliberately start trouble against Chinese or at least support anti-China propaganda serving the same goal and you are trying to shame and shift the blame on China for strict regulations when dealing with visitors from a pariah state like the U.S.A. ? Your countries aggressive policies are the single biggest justification for the regulations. Are you drunk on your American Exeptionalism brand koolaid again?

Good lord! You must be in academic.

My opinion on this is that if you are a nobody, welcome to Xinjiang. Nobody cares about nobody. If you think you are somebody, have some opinions and cannot bury them in stomach, don't. Don't blindly invite people to any areas in China that have been news topics lately. You won't take any responsibility if they encounter something undesirable.

 

[casual]

Good lord! You must be in academic.

My opinion on this is that if you are a nobody, welcome to Xinjiang. Nobody cares about nobody. If you think you are somebody, have some opinions and cannot bury them in stomach, don't. Don't blindly invite people to any areas in China that have been news topics lately. You won't take any responsibility if they encounter something undesirable.

And who are you calling people nobody? There are plenty of foreigners in Xinjiang. Youtube is full of vlogs from Xinjiang if you don't believe me.

 

[The Eagle]

The Taliban now has no reason to kill the Chinese. Although it cannot be said that the Taliban and China have the same views on all matters, China hopes that the Taliban can return to mainstream society.

An Indian is trying to manipulate through ignorance be it deliberately or not. TTP terrorists have nothing to do with Taliban and Afghan Taliban have already denied any links to TTP. TTP is Indian sponsored Terrorist groups, bred in Afghanistan against Pakistan and they are involved in killings of Pakistanis and Chinese as well. Only Indian sponsored proxy is busy to hurt pak China. These guys have the habit to mix things and confuse others by deceiving as such

If you guys believe -- on this little corner of the Internet -- that the Taliban will not betray China, you are delusional. Islam WILL override China. No matter what. By that, I do not mean the Taliban will try to impose Islam into China, but that the Taliban WILL use whatever 'Islamic' reasoning to justify betrayal.

China's leadership is fully aware of this potential and probably have what they believe to be countermeasures. Whether those proposed countermeasures will work not, no one knows, so all we can do is wait for the inevitable and be entertained by China's responses.

I am surprised if such logic would have been reasoning for US. The emphasis on betrayal and Islam, is so prominent.

 

[The Eagle]

A coward's move to support terrorists.
Now that China is supporting the talibs, no way will uncle sam ever leave Afghanistan for good. The game will continue.
Just grow some b@ll$ China, if you feel they are a threat supporting ETIM stop appeasing, just eliminate them.

Hypocrisy at best. Few days ago, Indians were standing in queue waiting to meet Taliban and sing the brotherly songs and all those articles but, now they are terrorists. Taliban is the same group with whom, US/NATO signed agreement to leave Afghanistan. Will you call US/NATO a terrorist supporter then? On the contrary, India is found breeding terrorists in Afghanistan, sponsoring sanctuaries and fueling propaganda and arming militias against Taliban and they took note of it openly.

 

[Goenitz]

TTP terrorists have nothing to do with Taliban and Afghan Taliban have already denied any links to TTP

@Char @UDAYCAMPUS
The TTP and Afghan Taliban share the same commonality as between apple and pineapple.
On serious note:
If this time China accept Taliban, what are the implications? I agree with someone said that now Taliban are in power, they must negotiate with the receding side so that they can form a consensus government.

 

[nang2]

And who are you calling people nobody? There are plenty of foreigners in Xinjiang. Youtube is full of vlogs from Xinjiang if you don't believe me.

Maybe. Don't say you were not warned when things go south.

 

[MH.Yang]

China wants peace and trade, and we support the choice of the Afghan people, even if they used to be our enemies.
China understands that the use of U.S. troops to eliminate the Taliban will only lead to the birth of more Taliban. Only by eradicating poverty and hunger can chaos and violence in Afghanistan be eradicated.
Therefore, China will not send troops to Afghanistan. We will only send teachers, doctors and engineers to Afghanistan with food and investment.

 

[OIO]

@Char @UDAYCAMPUS
The TTP and Afghan Taliban share the same commonality as between apple and pineapple.
On serious note:
If this time China accept Taliban, what are the implications? I agree with someone said that now Taliban are in power, they must negotiate with the receding side so that they can form a consensus government.

Taliban is not a terrorist organization recognized by the United Nations. China recognizes the Taliban as an extremist organization.

China hopes that Afghanistan will restore peace. This goal is consistent with the Taliban. China also hopes that the Taliban will return to mainstream society and coexist peacefully with other groups in Afghanistan.

 

[Daniel808]

Looks like Taliban will take over all Afghanistan very soon

 

[Battlion25]

If you need an ally China is the one..

 

[Itachi]

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The Taliban delegation with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Tianjin on Wednesday. Photo: Handout

China has pledged support for the Taliban’s role in Afghanistan’s reconstruction, while demanding that it cuts ties with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement – blamed by Beijing for attacks in its Xinjiang region.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi made the remarks during talks with a nine-member delegation led by the Taliban’s chief negotiator and co-founder Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar in the northern city of Tianjin on Wednesday.

It was the first time a senior member of the organisation had visited China since the Taliban’s capture of several key districts in Badakhshan and Kandahar provinces. Taliban fighters have taken control of around half the country up to its border with the Chinese region of Xinjiang, and US air strikes continue to support Afghan security forces.


Wang said the withdrawal of US and Nato troops from Afghanistan represented a failure of US policies and called on the Taliban to push for a role in the peace process.


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“The Taliban in Afghanistan is a pivotal military and political force in the country, and will play an important role in the process of peace, reconciliation and reconstruction there,” Wang said, according to a foreign ministry statement.

Wang said China would support Afghanistan’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, but he also demanded the Taliban cut off any connection with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM).

“ETIM is an international terrorist organisation listed by the UN Security Council and poses a direct threat to China’s national security and territorial integrity,” Wang said.

“Fighting ETIM is the common responsibility of the international community and I hope the Afghanistan Taliban will cut ties with terror groups such as ETIM. The Afghanistan Taliban can contribute to an effective crackdown against those groups and play an active role in regional stability and development.”


Taliban spokesman Mohammad Naeem said the meetings focused on the political, economic and security issues facing the two nations, as well as the peace process.

He tweeted that the group had assured China that Afghan territory would not be used to threaten the security of other nations, and that China had promised not to interfere in Afghanistan’s affairs but to help build peace and solve problems.
The US stepped up air strikes in southern Afghanistan against the Taliban on Sunday, with General Frank McKenzie saying America was prepared to continue if the Taliban offensive did not stop.

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The Taliban has called the air strikes a violation of the Doha agreement – the peace deal signed by Baradar with the US in February last year that paved the way for the withdrawal of American troops, due to be completed in late August, and the eventual intra-Afghan negotiations.



Afghanistan and China are also expected to be the focus of talks in New Delhi between US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Indian officials on Wednesday.

Beijing has been closely watching the progress of US troop withdrawals from Afghanistan and sought to play a bigger role in the country. At a meeting with his Afghan and Pakistani counterparts in June, Wang vowed to “bring the Taliban back into the political mainstream” and offered to host intra-Afghan peace talks.
“China’s position is that this should be resolved within Afghanistan. And the situation in Afghanistan should not threaten China’s security,” a source said, naming security in Xinjiang and Chinese investments in the region as some of Beijing’s top concerns.


Despite past support for Uygur militants in Xinjiang, the Taliban has said it will not interfere in China’s internal affairs.


China previously hosted the Taliban in 2019, when a nine-member delegation travelled to Beijing and met Deng Xijun, then special representative for Afghanistan.

Yan Wei, an international relations professor at Northwest University in China, said it was necessary for both the Taliban and China to engage each other. “Regardless of whether the Taliban will become the government, it is a key force affecting the political development and security of Afghanistan,” he said.

“The Taliban can constrain some other terrorist organisations in Afghanistan. China can through the Taliban put certain constraints on other terrorist organisations, which is useful for China’s security and regional security.”


https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...-arrives-china-talks-foreign-minister-wang-yi





After Cost more than $2 Trillion, and 20 years of War.

The Longest War for US, Ended with another Disastrous Defeat for american. And a Big Win for China

The New Afghan would be another China's Ally in Central Asia

Ironic how China calls ETIM "terrorists" when they're basically Chinese Taliban.

The Taliban might not support ETIM but they'll never kick the Uyghurs that reside within Afghanistan. And this is just the initial talks. There will always be elements within the Taliban who'll support ETIM and other jihadists who want to free East Turkestan from Chinese oppression.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Ironic how China calls ETIM "terrorists" when they're basically Chinese Taliban.

The Taliban might not support ETIM but they'll never kick the Uyghurs that reside within Afghanistan. And this is just the initial talks. There will always be elements within the Taliban who'll support ETIM and other jihadists who want to free East Turkestan from Chinese oppression.

EITM is closely allied with ISIS. In Syria they got slaughtered by Nusra / HTS which is closely allied with Taliban.

free East Turkestan from Chinese oppression.

BS. China has mastered modern technology. ETIM is no match for J-20 baby.

 

[OIO]

Ironic how China calls ETIM "terrorists" when they're basically Chinese Taliban.

The Taliban might not support ETIM but they'll never kick the Uyghurs that reside within Afghanistan. And this is just the initial talks. There will always be elements within the Taliban who'll support ETIM and other jihadists who want to free East Turkestan from Chinese oppression.

Are you jihadists?