China orders civilian ships to be used by the military!!!

[NiceGuy]

pls come and thrill AFTER we collapsed, or I can say VN economy will collapse in the near future, nothing really matters untill it becomes reality. As for the starving children, they have food supply and money reservation but lack of parenting. They die for loneliness other than poverty. A tragedy of our social system rather than economic system. Oh since you concern so much about starving children in China, I have a solution: we buy some VN brides and children and feed our starving children with their flesh, after all you guys love to sell your young boys and girls to us, I think it's a win win situation

Right, nothing really matters untill it becomes reality, but people-specially elite CNese can feel CN economy is collapsing, thats why they r begging US to join the TPP to save themselves first and leave billions CNese in much harder lives.

Those kids only have little food left and its not enough for all of them, thats why they decide to commit suicide before starving to death like those kids died in the trash. People will see millions hungry CNese girls flee to VN (like those Chinese-Uyghurs girls fleeing to VN now) when the TPP come to reality.

 

[soundwave1987]

Right, nothing really matters untill it becomes reality, but people-specially elite CNese can feel CN economy is collapsing, thats why they r begging US to join the TPP to save themselves first and leave billions CNese in much harder lives.

Those kids only have little food left and its not enough for all of them, thats why they decide to commit suicide before starving to death like those kids died in the trash. People will see millions hungry CNese girls flee to VN (like those Chinese-Uyghurs girls fleeing to VN now) when the TPP come to reality.

As one who live in China, I can hardly feel collapsing economy, as I dont know much about TPP, I lay no comment about it. I am a phd student majored in industrial economy, a group of us is currently studying the upgrading manufacturing and growing services in China. We have surveyed many Corps and industies to testify if the growth slowdown and factor endowment restraining impact china's economy badly, and the fact is many chinese business enjoying really huge advantages as the chinese information industry expanding dramaticaly, much beyond our previous thought. We now have certain advantages in the global chain of smart manufacturing, if you are interested you can read a report about industry 4.0 from Fraunhofer IAO, a german organization studying industrial application. In fact, they view US and china as their main competitors in future smart manufacturing, as each nation enjoying certain tech advantages in some aspects. If you read annual report of WIPO or annual international trade list of UNCTAD, you can see how china's economy evolve.
I know why you say china's economy gonna to collapse, merely because our growth rate is slowing down, that's the reflection of excess capacity in infrastructual factors and labour intensive factors are shrinking, which is good in a long run, for few years ago we are worrying about overheat of China's economy. But if you see through other factors, say domestic services, producer services, smart equipment manufacturing, things are very much different from shrinking. As for now, we are still one of the fastest growing economy in the world and I really don't see how we can collapse as you said. If you want to debasing China, pls do some research and argue with solid data or facts.
I made a vicious and inappropriate joke about eating human flesh in my last post to illustrate how meaningless and abominating this argument can go if we bashing each other with nothing but pure trash talk, but in reality, despite of territory dispute, China and Vietnam don't suffer from such a lousy relationship as some internet guys imagined. Both country's leadership certainly try everything to defend their righteous land for sure but they are not so foolish to wreck the
common interest. My father and his colleagues went for a trip at Guangxi-Vietnam border last year and paid a short visit in the Vietnam border town, they love Vietnam fruits and I can tell you the trade and tourism is FLOURISHING!! So even you pray for the economic doom of China, think about the border people and their prosperity first.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

PLAN should be the strong back of civilian ship.

 

[NiceGuy]

As one who live in China, I can hardly feel collapsing economy, as I dont know much about TPP, I lay no comment about it. I am a phd student majored in industrial economy, a group of us is currently studying the upgrading manufacturing and growing services in China. We have surveyed many Corps and industies to testify if the growth slowdown and factor endowment restraining impact china's economy badly, and the fact is many chinese business enjoying really huge advantages as the chinese information industry expanding dramaticaly, much beyond our previous thought. We now have certain advantages in the global chain of smart manufacturing, if you are interested you can read a report about industry 4.0 from Fraunhofer IAO, a german organization studying industrial application. In fact, they view US and china as their main competitors in future smart manufacturing, as each nation enjoying certain tech advantages in some aspects. If you read annual report of WIPO or annual international trade list of UNCTAD, you can see how china's economy evolve.
I know why you say china's economy gonna to collapse, merely because our growth rate is slowing down, that's the reflection of excess capacity in infrastructual factors and labour intensive factors are shrinking, which is good in a long run, for few years ago we are worrying about overheat of China's economy. But if you see through other factors, say domestic services, producer services, smart equipment manufacturing, things are very much different from shrinking. As for now, we are still one of the fastest growing economy in the world and I really don't see how we can collapse as you said. If you want to debasing China, pls do some research and argue with solid data or facts.
I made a vicious and inappropriate joke about eating human flesh in my last post to illustrate how meaningless and abominating this argument can go if we bashing each other with nothing but pure trash talk, but in reality, despite of territory dispute, China and Vietnam don't suffer from such a lousy relationship as some internet guys imagined. Both country's leadership certainly try everything to defend their righteous land for sure but they are not so foolish to wreck the
common interest. My father and his colleagues went for a trip at Guangxi-Vietnam border last year and paid a short visit in the Vietnam border town, they love Vietnam fruits and I can tell you the trade and tourism is FLOURISHING!! So even you pray for the economic doom of China, think about the border people and their prosperity first.

CN is an export oriented nation, when the TPP come to reality (it will come soon ), CN will not able to sell most of its products to all TPP members bcz CN is not a TPP member and its products normally violate the intellectual property rights.

When CN cant sell its commodities, then CN economy will collapse, thats why elite CN r begging US to join the TPP now .

And when CN collapse, your PLAN will collapse too, so CN dont need to waste time to orders civilian ships to be used-by-the-military

 

[Edison Chen]

As one who live in China, I can hardly feel collapsing economy, as I dont know much about TPP, I lay no comment about it. I am a phd student majored in industrial economy, a group of us is currently studying the upgrading manufacturing and growing services in China. We have surveyed many Corps and industies to testify if the growth slowdown and factor endowment restraining impact china's economy badly, and the fact is many chinese business enjoying really huge advantages as the chinese information industry expanding dramaticaly, much beyond our previous thought. We now have certain advantages in the global chain of smart manufacturing, if you are interested you can read a report about industry 4.0 from Fraunhofer IAO, a german organization studying industrial application. In fact, they view US and china as their main competitors in future smart manufacturing, as each nation enjoying certain tech advantages in some aspects. If you read annual report of WIPO or annual international trade list of UNCTAD, you can see how china's economy evolve.
I know why you say china's economy gonna to collapse, merely because our growth rate is slowing down, that's the reflection of excess capacity in infrastructual factors and labour intensive factors are shrinking, which is good in a long run, for few years ago we are worrying about overheat of China's economy. But if you see through other factors, say domestic services, producer services, smart equipment manufacturing, things are very much different from shrinking. As for now, we are still one of the fastest growing economy in the world and I really don't see how we can collapse as you said. If you want to debasing China, pls do some research and argue with solid data or facts.
I made a vicious and inappropriate joke about eating human flesh in my last post to illustrate how meaningless and abominating this argument can go if we bashing each other with nothing but pure trash talk, but in reality, despite of territory dispute, China and Vietnam don't suffer from such a lousy relationship as some internet guys imagined. Both country's leadership certainly try everything to defend their righteous land for sure but they are not so foolish to wreck the
common interest. My father and his colleagues went for a trip at Guangxi-Vietnam border last year and paid a short visit in the Vietnam border town, they love Vietnam fruits and I can tell you the trade and tourism is FLOURISHING!! So even you pray for the economic doom of China, think about the border people and their prosperity first.

You can just ignore this low educated Viets, as he knows shit. It will only lower your level.

 

[NiceGuy]

You can just ignore this low educated Viets, as he knows shit. It will only lower your level.

Yeah, so pls tell your elite CNese to stop begging for joining the TPP bcz CN economy is very safe now

 

[soundwave1987]

CN is an export oriented nation, when the TPP come to reality (it will come soon ), CN will not able to sell most of its products to all TPP members bcz CN is not a TPP member and its products normally violate the intellectual property rights.

When CN cant sell its commodities, then CN economy will collapse, thats why elite CN r begging US to join the TPP now .

And when CN collapse, your PLAN will collapse too, so CN dont need to waste time to orders civilian ships to be used-by-the-military

I don't know about begging US to join the TPP, but you certainly don't understand international trade well. First, every open economy is driven by export largely, the "export oriented" economy export their products not because of low tax rate of other countries but of comparative advantages within, if you want to replace China, you should build up the comparative advantages and manufacturing capacity first, and that's not a one day job; second, China's domestic market is growing dramatically, which means not only the economy is more and more relying on domestic customers but also a advantages in bilateral trade agreements, sure a basket of pacts like TPP can largely save bargain cost but not that decisive. The US wants to use TPP to expand their advantages, to compete with China by these advantages, not to barricade China from international trade. It's a tool that may benefit US but far from killing us, I really don't know why you are more optimistic than US economists. Do you really so native to believe one trading pact could dictate such a complicated international market? Or you are so frustrated to use a simple illusion you can understand to conciliate yourself?

Yeah, so pls tell your elite CNese to stop begging for joining the TPP bcz CN economy is very safe now

pls enlighten me who is begging US to join TPP now, as far as I known China is concern about TPP for sure but not that nervous like you said

 

[NiceGuy]

I don't know about begging US to join the TPP, but you certainly don't understand international trade well. First, every open economy is driven by export largely, the "export oriented" economy export their products not because of low tax rate of other countries but of comparative advantages within, if you want to replace China, you should build up the comparative advantages and manufacturing capacity first, and that's not a one day job; second, China's domestic market is growing dramatically, which means not only the economy is more and more relying on domestic customers but also a advantages in bilateral trade agreements, sure a basket of pacts like TPP can largely save bargain cost but not that decisive. The US wants to use TPP to expand their advantages, to compete with China by these advantages, not to barricade China from international trade. It's a tool that may benefit US but far from killing us, I really don't know why you are more optimistic than US economists. Do you really so native to believe one trading pact could dictate such a complicated international market? Or you are so frustrated to use a simple illusion you can understand to conciliate yourself?


pls enlighten me who is begging US to join TPP now, as far as I known China is concern about TPP for sure but not that nervous like you said

Pls read and find out how TPP will hurt CN economy.

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TPP Will Hurt China Companies
By Chris Priddy on June 9th, 2015Posted in China Business, Legal News
China, the world’s second largest economy, is not one of the twelve countries currently negotiating a Trans-Pacific Partnership (“TPP”) multilateral trade agreement. The United States and Japan, respectively the world’s No. 1 and No. 3 largest economies, are anchoring the negotiations. Nonetheless, a concluded TPP could adversely impact companies in China that manufacture and export goods.

By way of background on the TPP, please reference my blog posts here and here.


TPP will adversely impact China businesses.

One of the principal objectives of any free trade agreement, and specifically the one being pursued under the TPP, is eliminating or significantly reducing participating countries’ import tariffs. As referenced in one of my previous blogs about the TPP, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (“USTR”) used an example of U.S. automobile parts exports to Vietnam to show the importance of import tariff reductions to U.S. companies.

In the USTR’s example, exports of certain automobile parts to Vietnam are subject to a 27% Vietnamese import tariff. Because China, the European Union, and India have free trade agreements (“FTAs”) with Vietnam, exports of these countries’ automobile parts are not subject to Vietnam’s 27% import tariff. If the TPP eliminates Vietnamese tariff rates for U.S. automobile parts, U.S. exporters will have achieved a level and more competitive playing field in Vietnam against exporters from China, the EU, and India. Trade in Goods, USTR. In the example and after TPP, Vietnamese imports of automobile parts from China, the EU, India, and the United States will all be subject to no import tariffs.

Based on other FTAs signed by the United States, we can assume that the TPP would have strict requirements for determining an imported good’s country of origin and whether it qualifies for lower import tariffs under the TPP. For example, under the 2012 U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement (“KORUS”), a product traded between the United States and Korea generally must meet one of the following criteria to be eligible for 0% or reduced import tariffs:

• wholly obtained from one of the countries –an example of which is an agricultural product (like a tomato) that was grown from seed in the country;

• produced in either Korea or the United States, with any input originating in another country having undergone a shift in Harmonized Tariff Schedule or “HTS” classifications as outlined in KORUS – for example, KORUS may require that a product’s components originally classified under one subheading chapter be ultimately included in a finished product that is classified under another subheading; or

• produced in either Korea or the United States with any other country’s inputs accounting for less than a total percentage of the product’s net value or cost.

Referencing USTR’s automobile parts example above in the context of the TPP, we can understand how the TPP could adversely impact companies in China that manufacture and export parts and components. Let’s assume that the TPP is signed by the 12 participating countries and that under USTR’s example, Vietnam’s 27% import tariff is eliminated for automobile parts from the TPP countries. Let’s also assume that a U.S. company (“Company ABC”) makes automobile parts and sources some subcomponents from China.

If Company ABC wants to export its automobile parts to Vietnam with no import duty, and thus be competitive with Chinese, EU and Indian companies whose companies’ parts have no import duties, Company ABC will first need to determine whether its parts will be deemed of U.S. origin under TPP. This is a significant concern for Company ABC because it sources certain subcomponents from China and because its product will be subject to a 27% import duty if Company ABC cannot demonstrate its product is of U.S. origin. If the value or cost of auto subcomponents is too great or the subcomponents do not undergo the required HTS shifts so that Company ABC can claim U.S. origin for the finished auto part, Company ABC may reduce or eliminate sourcing of parts from China for exports to Vietnam.

As demonstrated by this example, manufacturers and exporters in China could lose customers or current product demand levels because companies under TPP would want to ensure their products qualify for TPP benefits. Companies in those countries negotiating the TPP will be carefully evaluating TPP country of origin requirements and the impact on their goods. So will companies in China.

TPP Will Hurt China Companies

 

[soundwave1987]

Pls read and find out how TPP will hurt CN economy.

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TPP Will Hurt China Companies
By Chris Priddy on June 9th, 2015Posted in China Business, Legal News
China, the world’s second largest economy, is not one of the twelve countries currently negotiating a Trans-Pacific Partnership (“TPP”) multilateral trade agreement. The United States and Japan, respectively the world’s No. 1 and No. 3 largest economies, are anchoring the negotiations. Nonetheless, a concluded TPP could adversely impact companies in China that manufacture and export goods.

By way of background on the TPP, please reference my blog posts here and here.


TPP will adversely impact China businesses.

One of the principal objectives of any free trade agreement, and specifically the one being pursued under the TPP, is eliminating or significantly reducing participating countries’ import tariffs. As referenced in one of my previous blogs about the TPP, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (“USTR”) used an example of U.S. automobile parts exports to Vietnam to show the importance of import tariff reductions to U.S. companies.

In the USTR’s example, exports of certain automobile parts to Vietnam are subject to a 27% Vietnamese import tariff. Because China, the European Union, and India have free trade agreements (“FTAs”) with Vietnam, exports of these countries’ automobile parts are not subject to Vietnam’s 27% import tariff. If the TPP eliminates Vietnamese tariff rates for U.S. automobile parts, U.S. exporters will have achieved a level and more competitive playing field in Vietnam against exporters from China, the EU, and India. Trade in Goods, USTR. In the example and after TPP, Vietnamese imports of automobile parts from China, the EU, India, and the United States will all be subject to no import tariffs.

Based on other FTAs signed by the United States, we can assume that the TPP would have strict requirements for determining an imported good’s country of origin and whether it qualifies for lower import tariffs under the TPP. For example, under the 2012 U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement (“KORUS”), a product traded between the United States and Korea generally must meet one of the following criteria to be eligible for 0% or reduced import tariffs:

• wholly obtained from one of the countries –an example of which is an agricultural product (like a tomato) that was grown from seed in the country;

• produced in either Korea or the United States, with any input originating in another country having undergone a shift in Harmonized Tariff Schedule or “HTS” classifications as outlined in KORUS – for example, KORUS may require that a product’s components originally classified under one subheading chapter be ultimately included in a finished product that is classified under another subheading; or

• produced in either Korea or the United States with any other country’s inputs accounting for less than a total percentage of the product’s net value or cost.

Referencing USTR’s automobile parts example above in the context of the TPP, we can understand how the TPP could adversely impact companies in China that manufacture and export parts and components. Let’s assume that the TPP is signed by the 12 participating countries and that under USTR’s example, Vietnam’s 27% import tariff is eliminated for automobile parts from the TPP countries. Let’s also assume that a U.S. company (“Company ABC”) makes automobile parts and sources some subcomponents from China.

If Company ABC wants to export its automobile parts to Vietnam with no import duty, and thus be competitive with Chinese, EU and Indian companies whose companies’ parts have no import duties, Company ABC will first need to determine whether its parts will be deemed of U.S. origin under TPP. This is a significant concern for Company ABC because it sources certain subcomponents from China and because its product will be subject to a 27% import duty if Company ABC cannot demonstrate its product is of U.S. origin. If the value or cost of auto subcomponents is too great or the subcomponents do not undergo the required HTS shifts so that Company ABC can claim U.S. origin for the finished auto part, Company ABC may reduce or eliminate sourcing of parts from China for exports to Vietnam.

As demonstrated by this example, manufacturers and exporters in China could lose customers or current product demand levels because companies under TPP would want to ensure their products qualify for TPP benefits. Companies in those countries negotiating the TPP will be carefully evaluating TPP country of origin requirements and the impact on their goods. So will companies in China.

TPP Will Hurt China Companies

I know how TPP will affect China, but like I said, that wont KILL us. In fact China can jion TPP now as long as we accept to stay stasis in the lower end of international industrial chain. The US want to use these terms to maintain their monopoly in the upper end, which is not acceptable for China.The sudden impact of these exclusive terms is built on the base of other manufacturers can replace China in short terms otherwise the manufacturing capacity vacuum may cause a drastic price surge and outcome shortage. In a long run the chinese capacity can be replaced but that leave us with plenty of time to evolve and upgrade. If our upgrading efforts fail then we are doomed to be locked at the bottom of smiling curve, and with or without TPP we can not challenge US economy in the predictable future. If we successed in upgrading, then we can choose to jion TPP in our favor or lure partners with lucrative benifit in Chinese market to break TPP barricade or even build up another basket of pacts(like now the one belt and one road which is intended to block US influence from the World Island). In fact I think US urges the TPP because they have both huge productivity and market to keep other partners behave, like I said, the comparative advantages within. China today possesses large productivity and market as well to buffer the impact, It's not the end of the world for us. Can you say one belt and one road or AIIB means necessaily the doom of the US? Obviously not, as a industrial economy student, I believe the productivity within, China and US are both not Soviet Union, they have certain advantages in some aspect. Of course there will be gain and lose, but I don't believe in collapse.
Even if US and China go to irrationally barricade each other, I think other countries like Japan, Korea and Vietnam will choose to take advantages from both side, so even if Vietnam join TPP when China don't, do you think the bilateral trade will end? I can bet with certain profit, ppl may still use chinese components, that's the rule of market, It's really not wise to bid the odds of China collapse on TPP. furthermore, a collapsing and chaotic China can be really a disaster for asia and the world, the consequence may cause other countries especially our neighboring countries unstable. We don't even want North Korea to collapse. Despite of territory dispute, can you say Vietnam enjoys nothing from booming Chinese economy?

 

[TaiShang]

Pls read and find out how TPP will hurt CN economy.

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TPP Will Hurt China Companies
By Chris Priddy on June 9th, 2015Posted in China Business, Legal News
China, the world’s second largest economy, is not one of the twelve countries currently negotiating a Trans-Pacific Partnership (“TPP”) multilateral trade agreement. The United States and Japan, respectively the world’s No. 1 and No. 3 largest economies, are anchoring the negotiations. Nonetheless, a concluded TPP could adversely impact companies in China that manufacture and export goods.

By way of background on the TPP, please reference my blog posts here and here.


TPP will adversely impact China businesses.

One of the principal objectives of any free trade agreement, and specifically the one being pursued under the TPP, is eliminating or significantly reducing participating countries’ import tariffs. As referenced in one of my previous blogs about the TPP, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (“USTR”) used an example of U.S. automobile parts exports to Vietnam to show the importance of import tariff reductions to U.S. companies.

In the USTR’s example, exports of certain automobile parts to Vietnam are subject to a 27% Vietnamese import tariff. Because China, the European Union, and India have free trade agreements (“FTAs”) with Vietnam, exports of these countries’ automobile parts are not subject to Vietnam’s 27% import tariff. If the TPP eliminates Vietnamese tariff rates for U.S. automobile parts, U.S. exporters will have achieved a level and more competitive playing field in Vietnam against exporters from China, the EU, and India. Trade in Goods, USTR. In the example and after TPP, Vietnamese imports of automobile parts from China, the EU, India, and the United States will all be subject to no import tariffs.

Based on other FTAs signed by the United States, we can assume that the TPP would have strict requirements for determining an imported good’s country of origin and whether it qualifies for lower import tariffs under the TPP. For example, under the 2012 U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement (“KORUS”), a product traded between the United States and Korea generally must meet one of the following criteria to be eligible for 0% or reduced import tariffs:

• wholly obtained from one of the countries –an example of which is an agricultural product (like a tomato) that was grown from seed in the country;

• produced in either Korea or the United States, with any input originating in another country having undergone a shift in Harmonized Tariff Schedule or “HTS” classifications as outlined in KORUS – for example, KORUS may require that a product’s components originally classified under one subheading chapter be ultimately included in a finished product that is classified under another subheading; or

• produced in either Korea or the United States with any other country’s inputs accounting for less than a total percentage of the product’s net value or cost.

Referencing USTR’s automobile parts example above in the context of the TPP, we can understand how the TPP could adversely impact companies in China that manufacture and export parts and components. Let’s assume that the TPP is signed by the 12 participating countries and that under USTR’s example, Vietnam’s 27% import tariff is eliminated for automobile parts from the TPP countries. Let’s also assume that a U.S. company (“Company ABC”) makes automobile parts and sources some subcomponents from China.

If Company ABC wants to export its automobile parts to Vietnam with no import duty, and thus be competitive with Chinese, EU and Indian companies whose companies’ parts have no import duties, Company ABC will first need to determine whether its parts will be deemed of U.S. origin under TPP. This is a significant concern for Company ABC because it sources certain subcomponents from China and because its product will be subject to a 27% import duty if Company ABC cannot demonstrate its product is of U.S. origin. If the value or cost of auto subcomponents is too great or the subcomponents do not undergo the required HTS shifts so that Company ABC can claim U.S. origin for the finished auto part, Company ABC may reduce or eliminate sourcing of parts from China for exports to Vietnam.

As demonstrated by this example, manufacturers and exporters in China could lose customers or current product demand levels because companies under TPP would want to ensure their products qualify for TPP benefits. Companies in those countries negotiating the TPP will be carefully evaluating TPP country of origin requirements and the impact on their goods. So will companies in China.

TPP Will Hurt China Companies

But then why is Vietnam so eager to jump in the collapsing China's RCEP and AIIB? If you have a brain relatively bigger than a bird, you should know you need to jump out of the sinking ship, not get in line to board it.

 

[Beidou2020]

It's impossible for the U.S. out trade China in Asia because China has the geographic advantage that the U.S. don't.

All infrastructure in Asia will eventually benefit China as countries can sell to the MASSIVE Chinese market and can import Chinese goods.

It's much easier to transport goods through rail from China to other Asian countries than shipping from the U.S. to Asia. It's quicker and less costly.

As the Chinese economy continues to open up, no country will abandon the Chinese market which is already the 2nd largest market overall and in many individual categories the largest already.

Chinese market will be bigger than the U.S. market within 5-7 years and Chinese industrial might will make sure Chinese remains a global exporter for decades to come.

Bottom line is:
U.S. will never out trade China in the future in Asia as China has the advantage of geography.

China's role in global trade will only increase as the years go by.

Right now, 124 or 126 countries consider China as their largest single country trade partner.

China is already the largest trading nation in the world and pretty much most of Asia considers China as their largest trading partner.

Chinese middle class is already massive and more and more people will enter that middle class as the years go by which will make sure Chinese market is vastly bigger than the U.S. market.

This is why China knows the TPP is all hype but cannot contain China as no country can afford to ignore the Chinese market if they want to make money and get rich.

The world needs the Chinese market, Chinese direct investment, Chinese financing, Chinese infrastructure construction speed and efficiency, Chinese tourists and China now offers advanced technologies too.

United States can day dream all it wants, China cannot be contained.

 

[NiceGuy]

I know how TPP will affect China, but like I said, that wont KILL us. In fact China can jion TPP now as long as we accept to stay stasis in the lower end of international industrial chain. The US want to use these terms to maintain their monopoly in the upper end, which is not acceptable for China.The sudden impact of these exclusive terms is built on the base of other manufacturers can replace China in short terms otherwise the manufacturing capacity vacuum may cause a drastic price surge and outcome shortage. In a long run the chinese capacity can be replaced but that leave us with plenty of time to evolve and upgrade. If our upgrading efforts fail then we are doomed to be locked at the bottom of smiling curve, and with or without TPP we can not challenge US economy in the predictable future. If we successed in upgrading, then we can choose to jion TPP in our favor or lure partners with lucrative benifit in Chinese market to break TPP barricade or even build up another basket of pacts(like now the one belt and one road which is intended to block US influence from the World Island). In fact I think US urges the TPP because they have both huge productivity and market to keep other partners behave, like I said, the comparative advantages within. China today possesses large productivity and market as well to buffer the impact, It's not the end of the world for us. Can you say one belt and one road or AIIB means necessaily the doom of the US? Obviously not, as a industrial economy student, I believe the productivity within, China and US are both not Soviet Union, they have certain advantages in some aspect. Of course there will be gain and lose, but I don't believe in collapse.
Even if US and China go to irrationally barricade each other, I think other countries like Japan, Korea and Vietnam will choose to take advantages from both side, so even if Vietnam join TPP when China don't, do you think the bilateral trade will end? I can bet with certain profit, ppl may still use chinese components, that's the rule of market, It's really not wise to bid the odds of China collapse on TPP. furthermore, a collapsing and chaotic China can be really a disaster for asia and the world, the consequence may cause other countries especially our neighboring countries unstable. We don't even want North Korea to collapse. Despite of territory dispute, can you say Vietnam enjoys nothing from booming Chinese economy?

Okay, CN may not collapse, but the TPP will make a serious negative impact to its economy, millions poor CNese will lose their jobs. VN also is a export oriented nation, so we will not use CN components in our export goods to other TPP members.

CN has a booming economy just bcz CN betrayed the communist bloc in 1979 when colluding wt US to attack VN and got a huge support from JP-US after that. Your leader Deng made a stupid choice when letting the communist bloc collapse and now, your ppl have to pay a high price to it when US daddy turn his back to CN and start swallowing CN

But then why is Vietnam so eager to jump in the collapsing China's RCEP and AIIB? If you have a brain relatively bigger than a bird, you should know you need to jump out of the sinking ship, not get in line to board it.

Bcz CN still have a chance to survive if it stop making trouble wt VN in SCS(east sea) and keep supporting VN to unify the sub-Mekong region like how chairman Mao support VN to beat France-US.

CN need a smart leader to make a right choice to save millions poor CNese who r losing their jobs wt their kids r starving to death when the TPP come to reality. Making more war ship cant help u to win against VN in SCS(east sea) coz your economy will collapse even faster if u lose the war.

It's impossible for the U.S. out trade China in Asia because China has the geographic advantage that the U.S. don't.

All infrastructure in Asia will eventually benefit China as countries can sell to the MASSIVE Chinese market and can import Chinese goods.

It's much easier to transport goods through rail from China to other Asian countries than shipping from the U.S. to Asia. It's quicker and less costly.

As the Chinese economy continues to open up, no country will abandon the Chinese market which is already the 2nd largest market overall and in many individual categories the largest already.

Chinese market will be bigger than the U.S. market within 5-7 years and Chinese industrial might will make sure Chinese remains a global exporter for decades to come.

Bottom line is:
U.S. will never out trade China in the future in Asia as China has the advantage of geography.

China's role in global trade will only increase as the years go by.

Right now, 124 or 126 countries consider China as their largest single country trade partner.

China is already the largest trading nation in the world and pretty much most of Asia considers China as their largest trading partner.

Chinese middle class is already massive and more and more people will enter that middle class as the years go by which will make sure Chinese market is vastly bigger than the U.S. market.

This is why China knows the TPP is all hype but cannot contain China as no country can afford to ignore the Chinese market if they want to make money and get rich.

The world needs the Chinese market, Chinese direct investment, Chinese financing, Chinese infrastructure construction speed and efficiency, Chinese tourists and China now offers advanced technologies too.

United States can day dream all it wants, China cannot be contained.

U r just like Ah Q who think ppl will need him in the 'revolution' but it turn out that no body give a damn care to him, finnaly he became a 'traitor of revol' and got killed poignantly

 

[TaiShang]

Bcz CN still have a chance to survive if it stop making trouble wt VN in SCS(east sea) and keep supporting VN to unify the sub-Mekong region like how chairman Mao support VN to beat France-US.

CN need a smart leader to make a right choice to save millions poor CNese who r losing their jobs wt their kids r starving to death when the TPP come to reality. Making more war ship cant help u to win against VN in SCS(east sea) coz your economy will collapse even faster if u lose the war.

So because China has a chance to survive, you decided to jump in AIIB and RCEP, among others? This is a weak pretext, given that you sounded so sure of China's demise especially after you sign into the TPP.

 

[soundwave1987]

Okay, CN may not collapse, but the TPP will make a serious negative impact to its economy, millions poor CNese will lose their jobs. VN also is a export oriented nation, so we will not use CN components in our export goods to other TPP members.

CN has a booming economy just bcz CN betrayed the communist bloc in 1979 when colluding wt US to attack VN and got a huge support from JP-US after that. Your leader Deng made a stupid choice when letting the communist bloc collapse and now, your ppl have to pay a high price to it when US daddy turn his back to CN and start swallowing CN


Bcz CN still have a chance to survive if it stop making trouble wt VN in SCS(east sea) and keep supporting VN to unify the sub-Mekong region like how chairman Mao support VN to beat France-US.

CN need a smart leader to make a right choice to save millions poor CNese who r losing their jobs wt their kids r starving to death when the TPP come to reality. Making more war ship cant help u to win against VN in SCS(east sea) coz your economy will collapse even faster if u lose the war.


U r just like Ah Q who think ppl will need him in the 'revolution' but it turn out that no body give a damn care to him, finnaly he became a 'traitor of revol' and got killed poignantly

Although I‘ m not familiar with the specific items of TPP treatment, from what I known, things are far more complicated than that. You are saying millions of Chinese will lose their job, in fact it may happen only on one condition that China remain stasias at the lower end of the industrial chain. If millions of ppl stuck in low value added and low tech manufacturing industries, TPP could transfer work opportunity out of China gradually. But I've already said, in that case, we are doomed no matter the TPP applyed or not. For now, our economy is upgrading and evolving. US want to keep dominate in the upper end of industrial chain with TPP and block China from maintaining our current factor endowment, but our low cost labour endowment is already on the edge of dissipation, millions of ppl are leaving from low end manufacturing into massively expanding smart quipment manufacturing, producer services, domestic services, etc, which TPP affect much less than traditional low end manufacturing. Besides, TPP provide us an oppertunity to substitute foreign advanced manufacturing products. Here is an example: in our study, we investigated and interviewed some manufacturing corps in our province, one of them had developed high quality bearings and hydraulic levers which in Chinese market are traditinally dominated by Kawasaki Heavy Industries of Japan. Kawasaki threatened their suppliers and customers not to cooperate with this company by using their market dominance. As long as Kawasaki don't abuse their market dominance, the authority can not apply anti-trust law to support the domestic business. But if the TPP is applyed, there will be an proper excuse to substitute Kawasaki with this Chinese company, which may accelerate our upgrading progress in manufacturing. Like I said, we have both productivity and market, so TPP is our concern but far from a vital ache.
As for Vietnam using Chinese components, it's only a matter of comparative advantages. In fact you can use Vietnam components as long as it is more lucrative and sufficient. But I ve already said that the manufacturing capacity and comparative advantages can not be gained in one day, it is a very complicted edowment distribution that involves many facts like TFP, infrastructure, eduacation, social system and culture and so on.
Acyually, we don't seems to have paid any price of ' betraying' communist bloc, in fact we enjoy it very much: larger market, no soviet threat, pretty good for our 'betrayal'.
Last, I’d like to say the US try to swallow us for a very long time, but things not going so well for them. Today, it is us expanding our influence and swallowing US dominace gradually, that is good, we will keep on working with that. Of course US wants to retaliate, it's merely a power game playing, and I think both sides don't mind to demolish the whole playground at all.

 

[NiceGuy]

Although I‘ m not familiar with the specific items of TPP treatment, from what I known, things are far more complicated than that. You are saying millions of Chinese will lose their job, in fact it may happen only on one condition that China remain stasias at the lower end of the industrial chain. If millions of ppl stuck in low value added and low tech manufacturing industries, TPP could transfer work opportunity out of China gradually. But I've already said, in that case, we are doomed no matter the TPP applyed or not. For now, our economy is upgrading and evolving. US want to keep dominate in the upper end of industrial chain with TPP and block China from maintaining our current factor endowment, but our low cost labour endowment is already on the edge of dissipation, millions of ppl are leaving from low end manufacturing into massively expanding smart quipment manufacturing, producer services, domestic services, etc, which TPP affect much less than traditional low end manufacturing. Besides, TPP provide us an oppertunity to substitute foreign advanced manufacturing products. Here is an example: in our study, we investigated and interviewed some manufacturing corps in our province, one of them had developed high quality bearings and hydraulic levers which in Chinese market are traditinally dominated by Kawasaki Heavy Industries of Japan. Kawasaki threatened their suppliers and customers not to cooperate with this company by using their market dominance. As long as Kawasaki don't abuse their market dominance, the authority can not apply anti-trust law to support the domestic business. But if the TPP is applyed, there will be an proper excuse to substitute Kawasaki with this Chinese company, which may accelerate our upgrading progress in manufacturing. Like I said, we have both productivity and market, so TPP is our concern but far from a vital ache.
As for Vietnam using Chinese components, it's only a matter of comparative advantages. In fact you can use Vietnam components as long as it is more lucrative and sufficient. But I ve already said that the manufacturing capacity and comparative advantages can not be gained in one day, it is a very complicted edowment distribution that involves many facts like TFP, infrastructure, eduacation, social system and culture and so on.
Acyually, we don't seems to have paid any price of ' betraying' communist bloc, in fact we enjoy it very much: larger market, no soviet threat, pretty good for our 'betrayal'.
Last, I’d like to say the US try to swallow us for a very long time, but things not going so well for them. Today, it is us expanding our influence and swallowing US dominace gradually, that is good, we will keep on working with that. Of course US wants to retaliate, it's merely a power game playing, and I think both sides don't mind to demolish the whole playground at all.

Thats the reason why JP dont wanna join the TPP but it has no choice as JP is just US's puppet. JP industrial sector and its agriculture sector may get in big trouble when joining the TPP, but VN-US will get benefit from it coz we can sell more agriculture-fishing- wooden made products and we dont need CN components in those sectors.

Some CNese admit that TPP will hit CN hard, some ppl like u believe CN economy will not be so bad, then OK, let see what will happen when VN surely dont need to buy CN components for our agriculture-fishing- wooden made products.