China orders civilian ships to be used by the military!!!

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Thats the reason why JP dont wanna join the TPP but it has no choice as JP is just US's puppet. JP industrial sector and its agriculture sector may get in big trouble when joining the TPP, but VN-US will get benefit from it coz we can sell more agriculture-fishing- wooden made products and we dont need CN components in those sectors.

Some CNese admit that TPP will hit CN hard, some ppl like u believe CN economy will not be so bad, then OK, let see what will happen when VN surely dont need to buy CN components for our agriculture-fishing- wooden made products.

like I said, it will hurt China's economy bad if we fail to upgrade and evolve. for now, we are evolving and upgrading, so the risk is not so imminent.
I don't know the specific items about TPP, but I know the US agglomerated agricultural industry is quite potent and destructive compared to our more spreaded and familyhood style agriculture here in asia, while US intend to take a huge advantage about it, and I think I've heard about japanese ppl protest about TPP treatment. Although Vietnam wants to jion TPP but I don't think your government will relinguish domestic agriculture protection, so despite of political gestures, it remains ambiguous on the extent and scale of how deep asian countries (including China) willing to get involved in TPP. In fact now Vietnam enjoys many comparative advantages endowed not by TPP in some agriculture, fish, wooden and assembling departments that require no Chinese components. One day Vietnam will face the same upgrading and evolving demand but certain TPP items are designed for US to remain other countries locked at the exact position in the international industrial chain, I think that's part of the reason why TPP, as a regional integration pact basket, proceed relatively slow than the US wanna to be.

 

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like I said, it will hurt China's economy bad if we fail to upgrade and evolve. for now, we are evolving and upgrading, so the risk is not so imminent.
I don't know the specific items about TPP, but I know the US agglomerated agricultural industry is quite potent and destructive compared to our more spreaded and familyhood style agriculture here in asia, while US intend to take a huge advantage about it, and I think I've heard about japanese ppl protest about TPP treatment. Although Vietnam wants to jion TPP but I don't think your government will relinguish domestic agriculture protection, so despite of political gestures, it remains ambiguous on the extent and scale of how deep asian countries (including China) willing to get involved in TPP. In fact now Vietnam enjoys many comparative advantages endowed not by TPP in some agriculture, fish, wooden and assembling departments that require no Chinese components. One day Vietnam will face the same upgrading and evolving demand but certain TPP items are designed for US to remain other countries locked at the exact position in the international industrial chain, I think that's part of the reason why TPP, as a regional integration pact basket, proceed relatively slow than the US wanna to be.

So , do u admit that CN evolving and upgrading havent finish yet and its still has long way to go as CN cant even make a good car engine now??

btw: JP is just a victim in TPP deal, no need to talk abt how they would fall in CN.

 

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So , do u admit that CN evolving and upgrading havent finish yet and its still has long way to go as CN cant even make a good car engine now??

btw: JP is just a victim in TPP deal, no need to talk abt how they would fall in CN.

Yes the evovling and upgrading is still a long way to go, but car engine may not be a proper example. In fact, I finished my master degree thesis on the topic of chinese automoblie industry. chinese domestic passenger vehicle engine, aka gasoline engine, is comparatively weak than Japanese or german one. But many passenger vehicle engines labelling foreign companies are actually manufactured（not assembled）by Chinese manufacturers. As for construction vehicle engine, aka diesel engine, Chinese companies are actually quite competitive( but not famous among common consumers because ppl seldom metioned construction vehicles in normal life）. It is more like a marketing not technology weakness we suffered in car engine. Ppl seem to ignore our real weakness in car manufacturing as it is not as famous as the engine--automobile chassis and accessories, which require even harsher standard on alloy, precision finishing, and engineering experiences. As I said, it is only not long ago the Chinese company can produce high quality bearings and hydraulic levers and still facing the barricade of Kawasaki Heavy Industries, so of course it's still a long way to go.
As for Japan, I dont think they are doomed. Yes today Japan suffers from aging problem and their industrial and technological standard seems to be isolated from world market but they still got pretty good R&P ability, the average revenue in main industires are still good, the financial capacity is still strong, I think they can manage to keep a really high standard in predictable future.

 

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Yes the evovling and upgrading is still a long way to go, but car engine may not be a proper example. In fact, I finished my master degree thesis on the topic of chinese automoblie industry. chinese domestic passenger vehicle engine, aka gasoline engine, is comparatively weak than Japanese or german one. But many passenger vehicle engines labelling foreign companies are actually manufactured（not assembled）by Chinese manufacturers. As for construction vehicle engine, aka diesel engine, Chinese companies are actually quite competitive( but not famous among common consumers because ppl seldom metioned construction vehicles in normal life）. It is more like a marketing not technology weakness we suffered in car engine. Ppl seem to ignore our real weakness in car manufacturing as it is not as famous as the engine--automobile chassis and accessories, which require even harsher standard on alloy, precision finishing, and engineering experiences. As I said, it is only not long ago the Chinese company can produce high quality bearings and hydraulic levers and still facing the barricade of Kawasaki Heavy Industries, so of course it's still a long way to go.
As for Japan, I dont think they are doomed. Yes today Japan suffers from aging problem and their industrial and technological standard seems to be isolated from world market but they still got pretty good R&P ability, the average revenue in main industires are still good, the financial capacity is still strong, I think they can manage to keep a really high standard in predictable future.

JP car will have to find another TPP countries to assemble instead of CN, if not, then , game over for its Toyota, Honda corps etc and US cars will come and replace them.

Bcz as u said, CN evovling and upgrading is still a long way to go, thats why CN should make friend wt VN instead of trying to take more isls , more water from us. Building more warship cant help u to win against VN as your economy still face wt many big troubles, losing war in SCS(east sea) will make your economy even get worse.