China on the Matter of Jurisdiction in the South China Sea Arbitration

[sword1947]

The international law of the sea, UNCLOS is clear. The whole world has accepted it except China. It's a shame especially when it is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Breaking international law with impunity is irresponsible and sets a bad example in international relations.

Pending for the US join this law & obey. If they don't, we have to say NO & ignore it too.

 

[Beast]

Thats called arrogance from a country who claims they act differently from the west you people from the 50cent party zombie army act like 19th century d bags hyporite called it.

I never claim we act different from the west.

Strong country must flex muscle.

 

[Zero_wing]

I never claim we act different from the west.

Strong country must flex muscle.

See you people are no different in fact your worse than the west and imperial japan thanks for proving that

 

[Beast]

See you people are no different in fact your worse than the west and imperial japan thanks for proving that

Worst than west? We don't let our bad eggs go on other soil, raped and killed and still protect them like angel. Those rapist and murderer deserve to be lynch. Your US master will not do that. They think Pinoy life is cheaper than American even that American is bastard like the US marine.

So in the end you lose few island must at least you retain your pride. But with US master and marine on your soil. You never retain your pride. Pinoy will always be second class citizen unless you are some Pinoy big shot or politician.

 

[OrionHunter]

Pending for the US join this law & obey. If they don't, we have to say NO & ignore it too.

Ok, that's fair. But the US has got a minor gripe and that is defining if the extended territorial limit of waters, including oil and mineral rights, are under State or Federal control.

That's where the hold-up is.

But where China is concerned they are claiming the whole of South China Sea as personal property!

 

[William Hung]

Pending for the US join this law & obey. If they don't, we have to say NO & ignore it too.

Ok, that's fair. But the US has got a minor gripe and that is defining if the extended the territorial limit of waters, including oil and mineral rights, are under State or Federal control.

That's where the hold-up is.

But where China is concerned they are claiming the whole of South China Sea as personal property!

No. Every country has a right to either join/ratify UNCLOS or not. Joining it is entirely is voluntary.

The US has refused to join. China joined. Both had the right to make their respective choice.

Here's the thing, UNCLOS is a legally binding convention and law. Since China has joined, it is binded to UNCLOS law. If China ignore UNCLOS, then they are breaking an international law that they themselve have ratified. The bottom line is, China has a legal obligation to obey UNCLOS regardless of whether the US join or not. However, If the US ignore UNCLOS, the US is not breaking any law because it has never ratified UNCLOS.

So you cannot compare China to the US in terms of the UNCLOS law.

As for the common suggestion that the US is a hypocrite for not joining UNCLOS, or that they must not have any say in the dispute until they join/ratify UNCLOS, these suggestions has bad reasoning.

Suppose both of you two have voluntarily entered into a legally binding business partnership contract and then both of you later on have a contractual dispute.

Suppose I'm a lawyer being hired by one of you to participate in your legal dispute. I, as a non-signatory third party to your business partnership, can still make comments and have a say in your legal dispute. Eventhough I have never myself joined your legal business partnership contract, I can still participate in your dispute resolution/mediation process because I have been asked(hired) by one of the dispute party to participate in it. For example I, as a lawyer, can argue on behalf of the plaintiff that the defendant has broken its contractual obligations, argue for certain ruling against the defendant, etc.

So it is the same thing for the SCS dispute. The US is not signatory to UNCLOS while both the Philippines and China are signatories. But it doesn't mean that the US cannot have any say in their UNCLOS dispute case. If the Philippines welcome the US to do so, then the US can.

 

[BoQ77]

Yeah. I am married and have kids. My next door guy not.
That doesn't mean he has no right to report my violences to my kids and wife.

 

[sword1947]

No. Every country has a right to either join/ratify UNCLOS or not. Joining it is entirely is voluntary.

The US has refused to join. China joined. Both had the right to make their respective choice.

Here's the thing, UNCLOS is a legally binding convention and law. Since China has joined, it is binded to UNCLOS law. If China ignore UNCLOS, then they are breaking an international law that they themselve have ratified. The bottom line is, China has a legal obligation to obey UNCLOS regardless of whether the US join or not. However, If the US ignore UNCLOS, the US is not breaking any law because it has never ratified UNCLOS.

So you cannot compare China to the US in terms of the UNCLOS law.

As for the common suggestion that the US is a hypocrite for not joining UNCLOS, or that they must not have any say in the dispute until they join/ratify UNCLOS, these suggestions has bad reasoning.

Suppose both of you two have voluntarily entered into a legally binding business partnership contract and then both of you later on have a contractual dispute.

Suppose I'm a lawyer being hired by one of you to participate in your legal dispute. I, as a non-signatory third party to your business partnership, can still make comments and have a say in your legal dispute. Eventhough I have never myself joined your legal business partnership contract, I can still participate in your dispute resolution/mediation process because I have been asked(hired) by one of the dispute party to participate in it. For example I, as a lawyer, can argue on behalf of the plaintiff that the defendant has broken its contractual obligations, argue for certain ruling against the defendant, etc.

So it is the same thing for the SCS dispute. The US is not signatory to UNCLOS while both the Philippines and China are signatories. But it doesn't mean that the US cannot have any say in their UNCLOS dispute case. If the Philippines welcome the US to do so, then the US can.

we got the right to join this law, and at the same time we got the right to quit, right? and now we just choose to ignore it

Ok, that's fair. But the US has got a minor gripe and that is defining if the extended territorial limit of waters, including oil and mineral rights, are under State or Federal control.

That's where the hold-up is.

But where China is concerned they are claiming the whole of South China Sea as personal property!

no the whole south china sea, only the area in nine lines that we claim. and ships without hostility & criminal action, can pass this area freely.

 

[William Hung]

we got the right to join this law, and at the same time we got the right to quit, right? and now we just choose to ignore it

Then, why don't you quit?

If you remain a signatory to UNCLOS, then you have the legal obligation to obey it, otherwise you would be officially breaking an international law.

If you want to ignore it and at the same time don't want to be regarded as breaking international law, you must stay out of UNCLOS (like the US). You cannot have it both ways.

 

[sword1947]

Then, why don't you quit?

If you remain a signatory to UNCLOS, then you have the legal obligation to obey it, otherwise you would be officially breaking an international law.

If you want to ignore it and at the same time don't want to be regarded as breaking international law, you must stay out of UNCLOS (like the US). You cannot have it both ways.

but we really achieve both, right?

 

[William Hung]

but we really achieve both, right?

Huh? what do you mean?

You either remain a signatory to UNCLOS and its laws, conventions and rulings will be legally binding to you.

Or you can stay out of UNCLOS like the US and the law and conventions of UNCLOS will not apply to you.

It's like someone offering you a business contract. You can choose to enter into that contract or refuse it. If you refuse, then you are safe from that contract and no one can use that contract against you.

But if you sign that business contract, then you will be legally binded to that contract. If you break a contract clause, some one else can then use that contract against you and a court can make a legally binding ruling against you. You can ignore the ruling, but under the law, you will be regarded as a law breaker (criminal).

So you can either stay out of UNCLOS or stay in. If you stay in and ignore its law and ruling, you will be regarded as a law breaker (criminal).

 

[Zero_wing]

Worst than west? We don't let our bad eggs go on other soil, raped and killed and still protect them like angel. Those rapist and murderer deserve to be lynch. Your US master will not do that. They think Pinoy life is cheaper than American even that American is bastard like the US marine.

So in the end you lose few island must at least you retain your pride. But with US master and marine on your soil. You never retain your pride. Pinoy will always be second class citizen unless you are some Pinoy big shot or politician.

Typical reply never in facts is it in you mindless zombies hitting us with an issue that has been in the courts answer us with under topic not some issue you have no relations about the disscussion or you have no real evidence? typical chinese arrogance and missleading and its Filipino i dont know this pinoy you speak of As or pride so you mean you arrogant $cum lose to people with no pride man you suck so bad.

 

[Beast]

Typical reply never in facts is it in you mindless zombies hitting us with an issue that has been in the courts answer us with under topic not some issue you have no relations about the disscussion or you have no real evidence? typical chinese arrogance and missleading and its Filipino i dont know this pinoy you speak of As or pride so you mean you arrogant $cum lose to people with no pride man you suck so bad.

Its a fact, you ordinary pinoy is second class compare to US master and even a US beggar in Philippine is higher than a pinoy middle class. You want proof?

PHOTOS: U.S. Marine Now in Filipino Custody After Protests Over Trans Woman's Murder | Advocate.com

Air condition trailer and guarded by US guards. Any of your ordinary background Pinoy accuse murderer has this kind of special treatment? I feel sad for philippines in Pinoy land treated like second class. All becos of lackey like u who love US master.

 

[Zero_wing]

Its a fact, you ordinary pinoy is second class compare to US master and even a US beggar in Philippine is higher than a pinoy middle class. You want proof?

PHOTOS: U.S. Marine Now in Filipino Custody After Protests Over Trans Woman's Murder | Advocate.com

Air condition trailer and guarded by US guards. Any of your ordinary background Pinoy accuse murderer has this kind of special treatment? I feel sad for philippines in Pinoy land treated like second class. All becos of lackey like u who love US master.

Wow you feel said and yet your stealing from us resources, Islands, flooding our country with cheap useless dangerious products killing local business and hitting us with something that is being working under the courts and unlike in lawless party ruled china peopel are all guilty no justice and real trail i guess being a mindless zombie thats why!

 

[Cossack25A1]

Its a fact, you ordinary pinoy is second class compare to US master and even a US beggar in Philippine is higher than a pinoy middle class. You want proof?

PHOTOS: U.S. Marine Now in Filipino Custody After Protests Over Trans Woman's Murder | Advocate.com

Air condition trailer and guarded by US guards. Any of your ordinary background Pinoy accuse murderer has this kind of special treatment? I feel sad for philippines in Pinoy land treated like second class. All becos of lackey like u who love US master.

Again with the dead tranny news? You surely are obsessive with the jarhead-tranny news.