China moves controversial oil rig back towards Vietnam coast

[Beidou2020]

how to safeguard? will you intercept ours or foreign aircraft and ships?


yes, you are right with the assessment chinese il rig drives me crazy.
no, you are wrong. we will fight. that is our nature: we seek harmony within our family and society, but have little mercy for our enemy.

Fight and get all your ships sunk like in 1988?

Vietnam has NOTHING to counter Chinese oil rigs, Chinese construction, Chinese coast guard and Chinese navy and airforce.

China is increasing its presence and influence in the SCS with each passing day using its massive industrial might.

All Viets could do was burn down foreign businesses when China sent its oil rig near Vietnam and it left once its exploration was complete. And now its back for more. China can up the pressure whenever it damn well wants using its commercial assets, using its construction, using its coast guard, using its naval and air assets.

There are three airstrips to mutually safeguard each other, and China also considers the attack against the artificial islands same as the attack against its home soil.

Even the US won't take any of these options, then why Vietnam would risk to start a war with China?

Vietnamese navy and airforce will get completely wiped out if they get into a naval or air battle with the Chinese military.

Viets act if they can take on big powers due to Vietnam war and 1979 but those wars had very little to do with Vietnamese themselves as the Vietnam war was fought between American troops and Soviet and Chinese troops and the battle took place in the land of Vietnam. The 1979 war was a contest between Chinese troops and the Soviet Union using Soviet weapons and Soviet intelligence and the Soviets used Vietnamese guerrillas to do their dirty work just like the US used the taliban guerrillas to do their dirty work in Afghanistan.

It wasn't the Afghans that kicked out the Soviets out of Afghanistan, it was all American weapons, American intelligence and American training. Afghans pretend like it was them that did all the work just like Viets pretend it was them that they did all the work

Viets don't like to talk about 1974 and 1988 when Vietnam was humiliated

Chinese military won't even need to send ground troops to annihilate Vietnam, China will use standoff weapons to destroy Vietnam's critical infrastructure and cripple their military and industrial base.

 

[empirefighter]

Fight and get all your ships sunk like in 1988?

Vietnam has NOTHING to counter Chinese oil rigs, Chinese construction, Chinese coast guard and Chinese navy and airforce.

China is increasing its presence and influence in the SCS with each passing day using its massive industrial might.

All Viets could do was burn down foreign businesses when China sent its oil rig near Vietnam and it left once its exploration was complete. And now its back for more. China can up the pressure whenever it damn well wants using its commercial assets, using its construction, using its coast guard, using its naval and air assets.



Vietnamese navy and airforce will get completely wiped out if they get into a naval or air battle with the Chinese military.

Viets act if they can take on big powers due to Vietnam war and 1979 but those wars had very little to do with Vietnamese themselves as the Vietnam war was fought between American troops and Soviet and Chinese troops and the battle took place in the land of Vietnam. The 1979 war was a contest between Chinese troops and the Soviet Union using Soviet weapons and Soviet intelligence and the Soviets used Vietnamese guerrillas to do their dirty work just like the US used the taliban guerrillas to do their dirty work in Afghanistan.

It wasn't the Afghans that kicked out the Soviets out of Afghanistan, it was all American weapons, American intelligence and American training. Afghans pretend like it was them that did all the work just like Viets pretend it was them that they did all the work

Viets don't like to talk about 1974 and 1988 when Vietnam was humiliated

Chinese military won't even need to send ground troops to annihilate Vietnam, China will use standoff weapons to destroy Vietnam's critical infrastructure and cripple their military and industrial base.

Proxy war,everyone knows that except Vietnameses. Lol. The Vietnamese here keep repeating China steal the land or piss the Vietnam bla bla ,come on,we are not playing children's game,do not be so naive. My suggestion is：go and buy more weapons ASAP.

 

[TaiShang]

It wasn't the Afghans that kicked out the Soviets out of Afghanistan, it was all American weapons, American intelligence and American training. Afghans pretend like it was them that did all the work just like Viets pretend it was them that they did all the work

That's the misconception of so many little countries, unfortunately. A pawn often does not even acknowledges it is a pawn. But the time to use states as cannon fodders may be coming to an end slowly because of too much exposure. Non-state actors (terror groups like ISIS) are becoming popular tools. Vietnam and Philippines dream to act as cannon fodders might be coming to a premature end.

 

[Aepsilons]

@TaiShang ,

This oil rig will most probably stay within the area that is contested right? I don't think it will go inside Hanoi's territorial waters? If not, then there's no need for all this fuss. Let's all get back to work.

 

[VALKRYIE]

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[Kyle Sun]

Hope no more sea Songkran day.

 

[Viet]

There are three airstrips to mutually safeguard each other, and China also considers the attack against the artificial islands same as the attack against its home soil.

Even the US won't take any of these options, then why Vietnam would risk to start a war with China?

Your previous post suggests China will use the new installations to impose some sorts of no-fly no-sail zones for the entire sea lanes and sky domains that you consider as yours.

If you just protect your holdings, that is fine. No issue here.

 

[Viet]

That's the misconception of so many little countries, unfortunately. A pawn often does not even acknowledges it is a pawn. But the time to use states as cannon fodders may be coming to an end slowly because of too much exposure. Non-state actors (terror groups like ISIS) are becoming popular tools. Vietnam and Philippines dream to act as cannon fodders might be coming to a premature end.

That is your definition of "pawn"? Ist that chinese world view? Do I dream to act as cannon fodder? If you as big country protect your land, you are master? and if small countries as vietnam do the same, we are pawn?

You are one of the reasonable members on pdf, but slowly you begin to sound like most of other chinese clowns. You disappoint me.

 

[Viet]

Fight and get all your ships sunk like in 1988?

Vietnam has NOTHING to counter Chinese oil rigs, Chinese construction, Chinese coast guard and Chinese navy and airforce.

China is increasing its presence and influence in the SCS with each passing day using its massive industrial might.

All Viets could do was burn down foreign businesses when China sent its oil rig near Vietnam and it left once its exploration was complete. And now its back for more. China can up the pressure whenever it damn well wants using its commercial assets, using its construction, using its coast guard, using its naval and air assets.



Vietnamese navy and airforce will get completely wiped out if they get into a naval or air battle with the Chinese military.

Viets act if they can take on big powers due to Vietnam war and 1979 but those wars had very little to do with Vietnamese themselves as the Vietnam war was fought between American troops and Soviet and Chinese troops and the battle took place in the land of Vietnam. The 1979 war was a contest between Chinese troops and the Soviet Union using Soviet weapons and Soviet intelligence and the Soviets used Vietnamese guerrillas to do their dirty work just like the US used the taliban guerrillas to do their dirty work in Afghanistan.

It wasn't the Afghans that kicked out the Soviets out of Afghanistan, it was all American weapons, American intelligence and American training. Afghans pretend like it was them that did all the work just like Viets pretend it was them that they did all the work

Viets don't like to talk about 1974 and 1988 when Vietnam was humiliated

Chinese military won't even need to send ground troops to annihilate Vietnam, China will use standoff weapons to destroy Vietnam's critical infrastructure and cripple their military and industrial base.

You have no talent nor humour. Give up to act as a cheap street clown.

 

[TaiShang]

That is your definition of "pawn"? Ist that chinese world view? Do I dream to act as cannon fodder? If you as big country protect your land, you are master? and if small countries as vietnam do the same, we are pawn?

So you inherently agree that both China and Vietnam (and others) in fact are doing their best to protect their (claimed land)? That's fair and square. As long as you behave like a cool-headed realist and disembark from the moral high horse, we are fine. The rest is up our respective nations's capability to protect perceived interests.

Keep in mind that China's actions are so far within the purview of "respond in kind." Others had EEZ in ECS, so did China later on. Others started long before with their own island build-up, so did China. You should be really concerned only if China stops responding in kind and pushing you into responding its own moves.

China is still very much reserved and reactive.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Your previous post suggests China will use the new installations to impose some sorts of no-fly no-sail zones for the entire sea lanes and sky domains that you consider as yours.

If you just protect your holdings, that is fine. No issue here.

Yes, the ADIZ will be set on the SCS when the artificial islands become fully operational.

 

[Ibr0kEmYrAz0r]

All the big fuss, it's actually just news heardline. In fact it's far far away from Vietnam's coast.

There are more urgent issues for the Vietnamese to worry about these days like social development and financial/political reforms than some oil rigs hundreds of kilometers away from their coast.

Don't let your political party lead you astray.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I am still waiting for the Vietnamese Internet warriors to blow up that oil rig.

Wow are they really that dumb? If they attack first they will mark themselves as the aggressors in the eyes of the entire world, and give us 100% legal justification to sink their entire navy.

only Taiwan factories, when Han Zi is stated on gate.

Oh you 越南人 can recognize Hanzi right.

After all your entire history and culture was based on it, until the French came and forced you to write using Latin alphabets.

So go and attack your own heritage.

 

[rott]

Dude, its ""balls". Ive noticed from your previous posts in other threads with the same repeated error for quite some time now.

The Viets will not fight. I remember a time when posts made by pdf member ""Viet" used to be quite moderate. The oil rig situation has made him quite rabid.

I think he did mean, "ball", since he was doubtful if the viets might not have more than one.

 

[VALKRYIE]

All the big fuss, it's actually just news heardline. In fact it's far far away from Vietnam's coast.

There are more urgent issues for the Vietnamese to worry about these days like social development and financial/political reforms than some oil rigs hundreds of kilometers away from their coast.

Don't let your political party lead you astray.

The EEZ still overlaps but its closer to Tonkin region of Hainan island. What its really about is oil and the access to the SCS passage. Whoever controls it can use it as a geopolitical tool to virtually destroy a neighbouring economy as it depends on the SCS for exports to major ports.

China is placing the oil rig near Hainan to claim that its within its EEZ. And since its near Yulin Naval base it will allow PLA fighter jets and naval ships to move faster to protect the oil rig.

The Chinese rig will operate in that general overlapping area, as it did more than a year ago. On May 1, 2014, the rig began exploratory drilling in the area, rousing resentment in Vietnam, which has long accused China of bullying its smaller neighbor.


The location of the rig this year is not as close to Vietnam’s coast as it was last year. It is now closer to Hainan Island than it was a year ago, and therefore Beijing might argue that it is within Hainan’s EEZ.

In 2014 it was operating farther south near the Paracel Islands, which both China and Vietnam claim as their territory.

Nevertheless, there has been increasing concern in Southeast Asia about China’s accelerated activity in the South China Sea. Beijing has been reclaiming land in the region, transforming reefs and other small land masses into both civilian and military bases of operations. It also has increased its military exercises in the area.

On July 16 2014, China began to move it away. Beijing said the reason was to protect the structure from the approaching Typhoon Rammasun, but a leading Vietnamese military officer,Maj. Gen. Le Ma Luong, said that was “just an excuse” and that China was backing down because of his country’s “strong reactions” to its presence.

Chinese Oil Rig Returns To Vietnam Coast | OilPrice.com

Yes, the ADIZ will be set on the SCS when the artificial islands become fully operational.

ADIZ is not recognized by the UN. The SCS is a free fly zone, every country will ignore China request. If China uses force it will be seen as an act of agression and be condemn by world leaders.