China military stresses Party control in face of 'liberal' enemies

[Bussard Ramjet]

China military stresses Party control in face of 'liberal' enemies

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's military said on Sunday it must be governed by the ruling Communist Party and not succumb to "liberal" voices who wish to challenge the party's control.


President Xi Jinping has repeatedly reminded the military to be loyal to the party, as he also steps up efforts to modernize forces that are projecting power across the disputed waters of the East and South China Seas, though it has not fought a war in decades.

In a front-page editorial, the official People's Liberation Army Daily said that "enemy forces" were trying to infiltrate the ranks to push for the "de-politicisation" of the military and remove the party's leadership role.

With a changing society, younger officers are now entering the forces who lack a proper understanding of the party's role and its discipline requirements, the newspaper added.

"When political discipline is firm, then the ruling Party prospers; when political discipline is weak, the ruling Party falls... Liberalism has always been the great enemy of strictly maintaining political discipline," said the paper, citing a 1937 warning by the founder of modern China, Mao Zedong.

"Still today, political liberalism floats up from the dregs from time to time," the paper added.

The "fundamental reason the military constantly moves from victory to victory is the strict maintenance of political discipline and preserving the Party's leadership", it added.

China's military, the world's largest, has made similar warnings in the past, including in April when it ordered its forces to be on guard against "liberalism" in order to avoid and purge internal corruption.

China's forces have been shaken by Xi's war against deep-seated corruption, which has toppled some of the military's most senior officers.

China stepped up a crackdown on corruption in the military in the late 1990s, banning the People's Liberation Army from engaging in business. But the military has been involved in commercial dealings in recent years due to a lack of checks and balances, military analysts have said.

Anti-graft advocates say corruption in the military is so pervasive that it could undermine China's ability to wage war.

(Reporting by Paul Carsten; Editing by Ben Blanchard & Kim Coghill)

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[Bussard Ramjet]

Is the loyalty to Chinese people, or CCP? @Tractor @ChineseTiger1986

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Is the loyalty to Chinese people, or CCP? @Tractor @ChineseTiger1986

To CPC. PLA is similar to Waffen SS.

It is the arm wing of CPC, and it is not subordinate to the state. Now CPC is state and state is CPC, so little problem.

 

[sicsheep]

Is the loyalty to Chinese people, or CCP? @Tractor @ChineseTiger1986

are you saying CCP arent Chinese people? lol

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

are you saying CCP arent Chinese people? lol

They are one section of Chinese people. But does that mean that a certain section of Chinese, can rule all Chinese?

Civil war is already over, just do away with party control of PLA.

 

[JSCh]

PLA is command by CCP to serve the Chinese people.

 

[sicsheep]

They are one section of Chinese people. But does that mean that a certain section of Chinese, can rule all Chinese?

Civil war is already over, just do away with party control of PLA.

you are saying CCP is just one section, so can you tell me whats the other section?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

you are saying CCP is just one section, so can you tell me whats the other section?

Those who don't agree with CCP.

Those who want greater civil rights, freedom of speech, civil society.

PLA is command by CCP to serve the Chinese people.

And how do you define "Serve the People"?

Let's say a hypothetical scenario, where 70% people want no censorship on the Internet. Will CCP serve the Chinese people and withdraw all censorship from the Internet? (Barring ones that are harmful to security, like sites that may store data overseas)

 

[sicsheep]

Those who don't agree with CCP.

Those who want greater civil rights, freedom of speech, civil society.

what about people want order and better living standards? should we ignore them?

Armed forces of every nation is a gun for the ruler, is Modi not commander in cheif of Indian army? what about those who don't agree with Modi? are they allowed to have an army too?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

what about people want order and better living standards? should we ignore them?

Armed forces of every nation is a gun for the ruler, is Modi not commander in cheif of Indian army? what about those who don't agree with Modi? are they allowed to have an army too?

Wanting order and wanting civil rights can go on together.

And no, Modi is NOT the commander in chief of the Indian Army, the President Pranab Mukherjee is. But yes, the final control will be with Modi.

But the difference here is that if Indian Public is not happy with Modi, they will just replace him in the next elections. And the order of Army will pass.

Also, even Modi can't order anything without repurcussions. There is a Media that will report on any infractions of military. There is freedom of speech and civil rights that allow people like Arundhati Roy (a person who essentially calls for the break up of India) to exist.

And there is a totally independent Judiciary that will not let anyone exceed beyond Constitutional constraints.

 

[sword1947]

The People's Republic of China

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

The People's Republic of China

But the military just said that it is toward the Party, not the Republic! Neither the Government.

 

[sicsheep]

Wanting order and wanting civil rights can go on together.

And no, Modi is NOT the commander in chief of the Indian Army, the President Pranab Mukherjee is. But yes, the final control will be with Modi.

But the difference here is that if Indian Public is not happy with Modi, they will just replace him in the next elections. And the order of Army will pass.

Also, even Modi can't order anything without repurcussions. There is a Media that will report on any infractions of military. There is freedom of speech and civil rights that allow people like Arundhati Roy (a person who essentially calls for the break up of India) to exist.

And there is a totally independent Judiciary that will not let anyone exceed beyond Constitutional constraints.

so are you saying Xijinping or the CCP can do whatever it wants and does not care about public opinion? Xijinping was also elected within the Chinese government and CCP, and hes also got to give up office once his term is up like his predecessor did.

 

[sword1947]

But the military just said that it is toward the Party, not the Republic! Neither the Government.

the party are the assemble of Chinese, they are elected by the people.
the party +the people =The People's Republic of China.
so the army loyalty to The People's Republic of China, and follow the command of the party.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

so are you saying Xijinping or the CCP can do whatever it wants and does not care about public opinion? Xijinping was also elected within the Chinese government and CCP, and hes also got to give up office once his term is up like his predecessor did.

I am not saying that public opinion don't matter at all. But still the CCP is obsessed with staying in power.

I don't even understand their obsession. The only examples of people staying in power, and not being dethroned and then burned down, in history has been that of rulers giving power up.

Just look at British Queen. She is still the head of Britain, because the royal family gave up power when it so desired.

What I'm saying is that there will come a time when the wise thing for CCP will be to give up power.

Also, it is not a good thing for any institution if there is a ban on rational analysis. There must be freedom to speak and talk and discuss, like the way we are doing. Military must not remove people who want to depoliticize the military, because they have very valid points.

Remember Lee Kuan Yew, "Either you make fundamental changes, and change power by consensus, or there will be a revolution with violence."

the party are the assemble of Chinese, they are elected by the people.
the party +the people =The People's Republic of China.
so the army loyalty to The People's Republic of China, and follow the command of the party.

How is the party, "elected by the people"?

the party are the assemble of Chinese, they are elected by the people.
the party +the people =The People's Republic of China.
so the army loyalty to The People's Republic of China, and follow the command of the party.

Also, aren't you a Zhuang from Guangxi? (Just asking)