China may export J-10B fighters with Russian AL31FN-S3 engines to Pakistan

[aliyusuf]

we need dual engine jet like j11,su-35 or J-31 to defend our sea .... j-10 is almost like jf-17

J-10B is superior to the proposed AESA equipped JF-17 Block-III on the following aspects ...

• Much more powerful AESA (due to greater number of TR-Modules)
• EOTS
• Super Maneuverability
• Weapons load
• RCS lowering measures

On the other hand, apart from maneuverability and lesser cost of acquisition and operational cost, J-11D is a much better bet than J-10B.

However any gap in maneuverability can be offset to a great extent by an HMD / HOBS WVRAAM combo.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

J11D is twin engine and best suited in naval war scenarios.

 

[New World]

Just asking for information why not J11-D or j10 is better than J11-D then in which area?

J-11D is far superior and advanced from J10B,
J-11 is the copy of Russian Flankers and china has not right to export them until and unless Russians allow them..

 

[The Eagle]

J11D is twin engine and best suited in naval war scenarios.

J-11D is far superior and advanced from J10B,
J-11 is the copy of Russian Flankers and china has not right to export them until and unless Russians allow them..

Hmmm.... got it.... so also apart from Naval requirement twin engines are leading edge as per current scenario and moreover J11-D is far better option keeping in view support to Naval as well as a long range twin engine fighter with better gadgets and thrust power. My opinion

 

[The Eagle]

I am of the opinion that as far as single engine is concerned so we have JFT programme which growing day by day with full potential so J 10 wouldn't be effective as much as J11-D.

 

[aliyusuf]

I am of the opinion that as far as single engine is concerned so we have JFT programme which growing day by day with full potential so J 10 wouldn't be effective as much as J11-D.

Each has its own role to play. It's a Hi-Mid-Lo mix. Currently F-16s make up the Hi-Tier, JF-17 the Mid-Tier and the legacy fighters make up the Lo-Tier.

In the future Pakistan may opt to make up the Hi-Tier Twin-Engined Flankers and eventually the 5th-Gen fighter. The F-16 and the JFT-Block-III would make up the Mid-Tier and the rest of the JFT would make up the numbers with a decent punch.

The Hi-Tier fighters cannot be too many in numbers due to their high cost of acquisition and operation. That is why a potent Mid-Tier and decent Lo-Tier is necessary to make up the fleet numbers and collective strength.

Then, also factor in the scenario, sometime between 2023 to 25, we will be facing 300+ AESA upgraded Su-30MKIs, Rafale and maybe even FGFA. In such a scenario a handful of Hi-Tier and some AESA JFT would find it an uphil task to ward off this threat. Our Vipers would be hard pressed to fulfill its missions and role with the current PD Radar.

So if we get an AESA upgrade for our Viper fleet then OK. Else, we may be forced to induct J-10B/C to make up the potent Mid-Tier.

 

[The Eagle]

Each has its own role to play. It's a Hi-Mid-Lo mix. Currently F-16s make up the Hi-Tier, JF-17 the Mid-Tier and the legacy fighters make up the Lo-Tier.

In the future Pakistan may opt to make up the Hi-Tier Twin-Engined Flankers and eventually the 5th-Gen fighter. The F-16 and the JFT-Block-III would make up the Mid-Tier and the rest of the JFT would make up the numbers with a decent punch.

The Hi-Tier fighters cannot be too many in numbers due to their high cost of acquisition and operation. That is why a potent Mid-Tier and decent Lo-Tier is necessary to make up the fleet numbers and collective strength.

Then, also factor in the scenario, sometime between 2023 to 25, we will be facing 300+ AESA upgraded Su-30MKIs, Rafale and maybe even FGFA. In such a scenario a handful of Hi-Tier and some AESA JFT would find it an uphil task to ward off this threat. Our Vipers would be hard pressed to fulfill its missions and role with the current PD Radar.

So if we get an AESA upgrade for our Viper fleet then OK. Else, we may be forced to induct J-10B/C to make up the potent Mid-Tier.

What about hi-tier? Definitely JFT programme will b highly effective at the time of AESA upgrade situation so during that period if so then J11-D isn't the good choice?

 

[aliyusuf]

What about hi-tier? Definitely JFT programme will b highly effective at the time of AESA upgrade situation so during that period if so then J11-D isn't the good choice?

Yes it or SU-35 (should it be inducted) will be a good choice. If you read my post then you would see that is exactly what I am saying.

But just by itself won't be enough post 2023-25 period, even with 5th-Gen fighter alongside it. We would need a strong mid tier too. F-16 won't be enough to make that mid tier strong enough without AESA.

The JFT-Block-III would be a very good supplement to the mid tier but not the main course for it. Think in terms of post 2023-25. AESA will be beginning to become as common as PD Radar today. Then, just having AESA won't be enough. It will be more about how capable that AESA in comparison to the adversary who may come at us with 300-350 plus AESA equipped fighters. By that time even the Tejas will be in good numbers with AESA.

 

[The Eagle]

Yes it or SU-35 (should it be inducted) will be a good choice. If you read my post then you would see that is exactly what I am saying.

But just by itself won't be enough post 2023-25 period, even with 5th-Gen fighter alongside it. We would need a strong mid tier too. F-16 won't be enough to make that mid tier strong enough without AESA.

The JFT-Block-III would be a very good supplement to the mid tier but not the main course for it. Think in terms of post 2023-25. AESA will be beginning to become as common as PD Radar today. Then, just having AESA won't be enough. It will be more about how capable that AESA in comparison to the adversary who may come at us with 300-350 plus AESA equipped fighters. By that time even the Tejas will be in good numbers with AESA.

Hmmm mm. ... yes got your point and that's the fact indeed that more changes will b made till the then techs and I m sure that PAF knows well how and what to use or take alongside. Though about SU I have been going through threads and opinions and as per my low knowledge came to know that SU would be more costly then J11-D but PAF knows well in the end. China supplies J11-D and in the mean time after filling the gap would have been working on fifth.

 

[The Eagle]

And F16s and JFT will doing their task well in their grade with fully updated technology

 

[MastanKhan]

Have these pictures been posted

China may export J-10B fighters with Russian AL31FN-S3 engines to Pakistan | Page 43

 

[Basel]

No what i meant was, Is PAF looking to induct BOTH Su35 AND J-10 or just one them. Because these aircraft are not interchangeable.

Medium fleet can be built around F-16s, 100 of them or beyond are enough. We can have 150-200 JF-17s. Rest, 50 or so can be SU35.

That's a 300-350 combat aircraft fleet all BVR equipped. No way India can have any sort of domination over Pakistan.

You know Pakistan can not afford both at a same time.

If you prefer interchangeable stuff then purchasing Mig-35s with TOT will suits Pakistan because JFT and Mig-35 can share many things including engine.

 

[MastanKhan]

You know Pakistan can not afford both at a same time.

If you prefer interchangeable stuff then purchasing Mig-35s with TOT will suits Pakistan because JFT and Mig-35 can share many things including engine.

Hi,

But not the weapons.

 

[Basel]

Hi,

But not the weapons.

Yes weapons too can be integrated, because both have similar bus and Mig-35 (if purchased with TOT) can be bought with open architecture.

Edit:

Read bold part in below paragraph please.

Quote:

Overview[edit]
The most important changes are the Phazotron Zhuk-AE active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, the RD-33MK engines and the newly designed Optical Locator System, OLS-35.[22][23][24]

The final configuration of the MiG-35's onboard equipment has been left open intentionally using the MIL-STD-1553 bus.[25] The main advantage of an open architecture configuration for its avionics is that future customers will have options to choose from components and systems made by Russian, United States, French and Israeli sources. The Ramenskoye Design Company will act as systems integrator.[

Unquote:

Mikoyan MiG-35 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Donatello]

You know Pakistan can not afford both at a same time.

If you prefer interchangeable stuff then purchasing Mig-35s with TOT will suits Pakistan because JFT and Mig-35 can share many things including engine.

MIG35 is a dead end aircraft.......with hardly any in service and no exports, JFT alone can match or supersede it's capabilities once the AESA and HOBS is installed.

What we want is a small number of Heavies to protect our shipping lanes. Pakistan will make F-16 fleet number 100 or more.Add 150-200 JFT, we are well covered in the medium and light aircraft roles. 50 heavies will do wonders.