China may export J-10B fighters with Russian AL31FN-S3 engines to Pakistan

[HAIDER]

China may export its J-10B fighter equipped with the Russian-built AL31FN-S3 engine to Pakistan and other potential buyers from Asia, Latin America and Africa in the near future, writes the Kanwa Defense Review, a Chinese-language military magazine based in Canada.

Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group last year began the mass production of the J-10B fighters. A total of 14 of the jets have already been painted with PLA Air Force markings and turned over to the military while at least 10 aircraft are undergoing test flights. Kanwa said the PLA Air Force will eventually commission 24 J-10Bs to form a fighter regiment before the end of the year.

Designed as the upgraded version of the J-10 fighter, the J-10B is the first domestically designed aircraft fitted with a diverterless supersonic inlet to shield the engine compressor blades from radar waves. The article also noticed that new electronic warfare systems can also been in front of the canards and atop the vertical stabilizer. With infra-red search and track sensors, the aircraft can also carry out reconnaissance operations.

Russia has agreed to sell advanced AL31FN engines to China to improve the J-10B’s power systems and the first batch of the engines is expected this year. This will increase the life of the aircraft from the J-10A’s 500 flight hours to the J-10B’s 750 hours. As China begins to introduce more Russian engines in the future, all J-10B aircraft will be fitted with the AL31FN.

Source : Want China Times

* That' s the engine, which is game changer. Same engine is used in all Russian and Chinese stealth fighters/bombers. Plus same same type used in SU30/35. Same engine is modified for TVC. If Russia approve this engine, then for sure this plane will be in Pak fleet. If PAF has no other issues.

 

[Max Pain]

Want China times isn't really a reliable source but nevertheless it would be good if we get squadrons of J10s

 

[HAIDER]

Want China times isn't really a reliable source but nevertheless it would be good if we get squadrons of J10s

Chinese attempting to use WS10A as single engine base in J10, which fail to perform according to requirements. But most interesting factor people unaware about AL31 , its is only configured as pair in or two engine in a single plane. Its first time re configured for J10 as single engine and found most reliable.

 

[Gufi]

Chinese attempting to use WS10A as single engine base in J10, which fail to perform according to requirements.

wrong

 

[Zarvan]

China may export its J-10B fighter equipped with the Russian-built AL31FN-S3 engine to Pakistan and other potential buyers from Asia, Latin America and Africa in the near future, writes the Kanwa Defense Review, a Chinese-language military magazine based in Canada.

Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group last year began the mass production of the J-10B fighters. A total of 14 of the jets have already been painted with PLA Air Force markings and turned over to the military while at least 10 aircraft are undergoing test flights. Kanwa said the PLA Air Force will eventually commission 24 J-10Bs to form a fighter regiment before the end of the year.

Designed as the upgraded version of the J-10 fighter, the J-10B is the first domestically designed aircraft fitted with a diverterless supersonic inlet to shield the engine compressor blades from radar waves. The article also noticed that new electronic warfare systems can also been in front of the canards and atop the vertical stabilizer. With infra-red search and track sensors, the aircraft can also carry out reconnaissance operations.

Russia has agreed to sell advanced AL31FN engines to China to improve the J-10B’s power systems and the first batch of the engines is expected this year. This will increase the life of the aircraft from the J-10A’s 500 flight hours to the J-10B’s 750 hours. As China begins to introduce more Russian engines in the future, all J-10B aircraft will be fitted with the AL31FN.

Source : Want China Times

* That' s the engine, which is game changer. Same engine is used in all Russian and Chinese stealth fighters/bombers. Plus same same type used in SU30/35. Same engine is modified for TVC. If Russia approve this engine, then for sure this plane will be in Pak fleet. If PAF has no other issues.

I really hope we get 100 of these at least

 

[IndoUS]

I thought they changed all the engines with WS10 for the J-10 or is only the export versions are being sold with Russian engines?

 

[Max Pain]

Chinese attempting to use WS10A as single engine base in J10, which fail to perform according to requirements. But most interesting factor people unaware about AL31 , its is only configured as pair in or two engine in a single plane. Its first time re configured for J10 as single engine and found most reliable.

The latest batch of J10s do have the Chinese engine and if we are to get a J10 then it will be with the Chinese engine, not the russian one

I thought they changed all the engines with WS10 for the J-10 or is only the export versions are being sold with Russian engines?

You thought right, newer batches do have the Chinese engine. J 10 A had the russian Al 31.

 

[HAIDER]

The WS10, China's flagship jet fighter engine, remained seriously flawed after a quarter of century of development effort. The WS10 engine was intended to equip the new J-10 fighter, low-rate initial production of which was authorised in 2002. But at least the initial run of fifty J-10 aircraft were to be fitted with Russian AL-31F engines instead. The WS10 engine was reverse-engineered from the CFM-56 commercial turbofan, which in turn was a derivative of the General Electric F101 engine originally designed for the 1960s-era Advanced Manned Strategic Aircraft, which was eventually deployed as the B-1 bomber.

 

[Gufi]

The WS10, China's flagship jet fighter engine, remained seriously flawed after a quarter of century of development effort. The WS10 engine was intended to equip the new J-10 fighter, low-rate initial production of which was authorised in 2002. But at least the initial run of fifty J-10 aircraft were to be fitted with Russian AL-31F engines instead. The WS10 engine was reverse-engineered from the CFM-56 commercial turbofan, which in turn was a derivative of the General Electric F101 engine originally designed for the 1960s-era Advanced Manned Strategic Aircraft, which was eventually deployed as the B-1 bomber.

Although the performance of the ‘Taihang’ engine is better than that of AF-31F engine imported from Russia, such factors as reliability and service life of the ‘Taihang’ engine have to be determined through many years’ trials. These are gaps which China should still spend a lot time to narrow,” Zhang said.

　　But, if the J-10B fighter goes into mass production in the future, it is sure that China’s independently developed engine should be installed on it, Zhang stressed.
China Military Online English Edition

 

[HAIDER]

China is using, AL31F, AL31FN and now ordered AL31F M1 and TVC 117S. WS10A tested in J11, but fail to match Russian engine. WS10A is nowhere in picture. Even Pakistan wants J10b with Russian engine.

China relies on Russian NPO Saturn AL-31F turbofans to power its J-15s

 

[nana41]

China is using, AL31F, AL31FN and now ordered AL31F M1 and TVC 117S. WS10A tested in J11, but fail to match Russian engine. WS10A is nowhere in picture. Even Pakistan wants J10b with Russian engine.

China relies on Russian NPO Saturn AL-31F turbofans to power its J-15s

China can not export any machine with russian engine.
My guess is,Pakistan is really not interested in J-10b
it being a strike aircraft and not a good fighter,despite
Pakistan's efforts per FC-10B.Establishment of infrastructure is very costly if the number of machines is
small,for an aircraft which is marginally better than JF-17 in
loads and range. I wonder if Chinese would like PAF to develop tactics around this machine for Chinese Air Force benefits? .

 

[HAIDER]

China can not export any machine with russian engine.
My guess is,Pakistan is really not interested in J-10b
it being a strike aircraft and not a good fighter,despite
Pakistan's efforts per FC-10B.Establishment of infrastructure is very costly if the number of machines is
small,for an aircraft which is marginally better than JF-17 in
loads and range. I wonder if Chinese would like PAF to develop tactics around this machine for Chinese Air Force benefits? .

Give little idea. PAF engineers were involved and donated one Mirage when this plane development started. But the issue was engine, when Russian refused third party export of AL31 engine. Pakistan had no choice just to scrap the deal. Now Russian has change the policy, hopefully Pak will get this engine.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

I really hope we get 100 of these at least

and some FRIES with KETCHUP ......

 

[N/A]

Key word in the article "may export". Besides PAF should save up for a 5th gen fighters.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

uestion is how many?? are we going for 36 or more??