China may be going down the old Soviet path to disintegration

[atatwolf]

So you are saying our neighbors are like vultures, catfish and rats?
Lowly animals waiting for greater animal to stumble.

Sad.

We have this rabid Atatdog leading a pack of rats, catfish and vultures against a giant panda. Each one too cowardly to be the first to step foward.

So you call Indians, Japanese, Vietnamese and so on those things? That is a hate crime

 

[HariPrasad]

The repression of Chinese anti-corruption activist Xu Zhiyong is part of a political crackdown on scores of activists, journalists, and intellectuals. This crackdown involves increased internet controls and a Marxist-Leninist ideological purification campaign for Chinese journalists on which I have commented earlier.
What is particularly fascinating about this new and predictable round of Chinese communist repression is that it has been accompanied by an official anti-corruption campaign organized by none other than Chinese Communist Party Secretary Xi Jinping. This is uncannily reminiscent of the official Soviet reaction to corruption within the ranks of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU).

Effects of corruption in the USSR

In the Soviet case, this corruption was the tip of an iceberg of a much larger crisis — namely, a crisis of Party discipline. It was this crisis that was one of the central reasons for the collapse of the communist enterprise in the Soviet Union.

What is the connection between this crisis and the Soviet collapse?

First of all, one must recognize that the CPSU had grown to be a massive bureaucratic monstrosity with over 20 million members. Most of them were ideological workers — i.e., propagandists and agitators — and prefects, who were non-productive monitors of what productive activity was undertaken in the USSR in order to ensure conformity with the Party line. The fundamental problem that had developed within this system was that orders issued from the top would suffer from erosion and ultimately would not be implemented efficiently or at all when they reached the lower and local levels.

This lack of discipline was partly a function of bureaucracy and partly the result of corruption. The corruption, in turn, originated from the black market, which the Party had to tolerate because it was the only vehicle ensuring literally the physical survival of the labor force. It was the only means by which acute shortages of goods and services could be filled — and this was done through the price mechanism.

The underground economy always existed within the USSR, even during the harshest periods of Stalinist repression. Over time, the underground entrepreneurs, led by the mafia, gained ever greater influence and freedom of operation because of their success in bribing Party officials. Eventually, those officials began to invest in illegal underground commercial ventures.

So, both these investments and the bribes meant that ever larger numbers of Party cadre were developing forms of self-interest that were at variance with the Party’s interest. This was called a crisis of partiinost’ (Party-mindedness).

A crisis of Party discipline

By the time of the General Secretaryship of former KGB Chief Yuri Andropov, the Party leadership had recognized this crisis of discipline and had begun to initiate measures to combat it. When Mikhail Gorbachev came to power, he intensified these measures. He conducted an ideological purification campaign of the Party membership. He arrested and prosecuted 250,000 members of the Party and managerial elite for various types of corruption. He conducted a massive crackdown on the underground economy, during which 800,000 underground entrepreneurs were arrested or fled their jobs for fear of arrest.

Gorbachev launched the glasnost’ campaign, which Soviet propaganda gave Westerners to believe was a campaign of increased openness, transparency, and even freedom of speech, when in fact, it was designed to encourage people to tattle on and denounce Party corruption. The irony of this situation was that ordinary people took advantage of this campaign, exploiting a critical vulnerability of the Party state. This vulnerability grew out of the crisis in the Soviet military economy, which was unable to remain technologically competitive with the United States.

The only way the Party could remedy that military industrial crisis was to seek an economic bailout from the West. But to do this, Gorbachev could not present himself and the Party as ruthless oppressors of their own people or active enemies of the West. So, in one of the few such periods in Soviet history, there opened a window of opportunity for people to criticize the regime, denounce its corruption, and call for radical political change without the usual risk of being thrown into the Gulag.

Let us not be under any illusions, however. Gorbachev was forced against his will into presenting both an image and a partial reality of liberalism. But he did invade Lithuania. His regime incited inter-ethnic conflicts in many of the Union republics as part of a divide-and-rule strategy. The KGB spurred pogroms by Azeris against Armenians. His armed forces invaded Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan. His goons used poison gas on freedom demonstrators in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi and slaughtered them with sharpened military shovels. Most of these ruthless measures remain unknown in the West, as they were overshadowed by Gorbachev’s charm campaign.

It is for this combination of reasons that close to a million people could take to the streets of Moscow to demonstrate for radical political change in 1991, putting immense pressure on the regime.

Corruption in China today

The Chinese communist regime has worked mightily to learn from, and avoid, a repetition of this Soviet experience. It has attempted to make self interest compatible with Party membership as part of its controlled economic reforms, where most major enterprises are under the control of Party officials or People’s Liberation Army officers.

But there is no escaping the corrosive effects that corruption has on Party discipline and the social alienation that this corruption causes. So long as there is this amazing level of corruption in the Chinese Party, the regime will continue to be the target of anti-corruption activists. It will continue to suffer from pandemic civil disturbances — over 70,000 of these nationwide on an annual basis. And it will continue to have to crack down on all of this.

The Chinese communists are riding a tiger that they may not be able to control. The question for the United States is: should we continue to allow our trade with China to provide the regime with resources that help it survive such pressures?
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..... the writing is on the walls guys, with further slowing down of economy and eventual lockdown, it only matter of time

This must happen quickly in Interest of Chinese people and world.

 

[atatwolf]

This must happen quickly in Interest of Chinese people and world.

Yup, not only the Chinese people would benefit, but also the minorities such as Uighur and Tibetans, and also Indians, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indonese and Thai. This would probably be a golden age for the region without aggression and communist terrorism.

 

[HariPrasad]

China will not collapse unless the US does

You are wrong. China will collapse even if there is only one Nation is left in the world and that is chine. Rogue regimes collapse because of their own contradictions. USSR is today more powerful than what is was in the era up to the time of Liberalism. These dictatorial regimes look strong from outside but week from inside.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Keep believing it. Meanwhile, we keep getting stronger every day.

China has survived through countless disasters and economic crashes throughout our thousands of years of history.

Whereas Turkey could not even survive one, they disintegrated into a country only a fraction the size of the original.

 

[HariPrasad]

Yup, not only the Chinese people would benefit, but also the minorities such as Uighur and Tibetans, and also Indians, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indonese and Thai. This would probably be a golden age for the region without aggression and communist terrorism.

That is why I used the word World. All dictatorial regimes must vanish. Modi yesterday said one beautiful thing. He said that China is getting old and we are getting young.

Meanwhile, we keep getting stronger every day.

No your country is getting old and old day by day. You are over the hump. Your decline have started.

China has survived through countless disasters and economic crashes throughout our thousands of years of history.

My friend we are not talking of China but Chinese regime which is barbaric, corrupt and uncivilized. China will get liberation from this rogue regime.

 

[UKBengali]

That is why I used the word World. All dictatorial regimes must vanish. Modi yesterday said one beautiful thing. He said that China is getting old and we are getting young.




No your country is getting old and old day by day. You are over the hump. Your decline have started.




My friend we are not talking of China but Chinese regime which is barbaric, corrupt and uncivilized. China will liberate from this rogue regime.

Funny coming from India which is famous for being an inept country.

China is destined to dominate you soon.

 

[atatwolf]

Funny coming from India which is famous for being an inept country.

China is destined to dominate you soon.

Do you have the fire power to be victorious over India? Guess not..

 

[HariPrasad]

Funny coming from India which is famous for being an inept country.

But we show our skill to liberate your country in 1971. Isn't it enough.

China is destined to dominate you soon.

China is destined to collapse. This is what the Chinese thinker has expressed in his article. How ever you can continue hailing your new master.

 

[atatwolf]

IMHO, India has better military position in the region.

 

[cnleio]

In ur world, China had collapsed for thousand times.

 

[CHiahah]

even economists themselves seldom believe chinese economy will destroy.via some economics articles,you can assert that chinese economy into recession.this superficial conclusion just like a chinese fable said-----The Frog in the Shallow Well.

 

[mike2000]

well, atawolf is right, China has alot of corruption problems/issues and the people do protest alot about it/riot. This is something the communist party is scared of, since it might reduce their legitimacy as they they are not directly elected by the people unlike we in the west. In this regard, China can learn alot from ethnic Chinese countries like Singapore(where there is almost zero corruption) , hong kong, and taiwan. These regions/countries have strong independent institutions who can prosecute anybody they find guilty no matter his position(unlike in china, who might prosecute officials mainly based on political reasons). So of course the communist party should be scared of corruption eroding their rule/grip on the country. Even their president said corruption is the greatest threat to the party, reason why he is trying to launch some corruption trial of government officials(though its just a political campaign to cement his position) i believe, though i dont think that will suceed, without an independent corruption commission. The party is just too corrupt so much that if they are to honestly prosecute corrupt officials, then im afraid more than half of the party will have to be behind bars. So maybe they just have to have an amnesty to these corrupt officals in exchange for them handing over their ill gotten gains and start a vehement corruption campaign/trial from scratch.
However, even if the communist party collapses, there will be another party to take over, the country wont collapse per say. Also we should note that there are even more developing major countries who are even more corrupt than China(according to transparency international) like India, Russia, Indonesia etc. So its hard to say a country will collapse just because of corruption, . if that is/was the case then there are other countries who will collapse even before China. We simply cant relly predict the furture , though i dont know why our media/analysts keep bringing up these China collapse every year. It just make us look foolish when every year passes and the country keeps growing stronger and stronger. Think they should just shut up and wait for the country to collapse before they starting their rantings. Afterall, we never cant tell/predict the future, maybe it might be the U.S , Germany or France who might collapse in future. So we should look after our own issues/problems first before predicting others failures. We have enough in our plate already with the Euro crisis and greek economic collapse which we are still trying to solve/bailout.

 

[scholseys]

I think I should open a think tank...

 

[Genesis]

I think I should open a think tank...

and I will be part of it, I can be a great China doomer, and I have insider information, I am the proud reader of over 2 books.