China may be going down the old Soviet path to disintegration

[jammersat]

jew here jew there , jew everywhere

 

[atatwolf]

Read his own blog biography:
John Lenczowski »Â
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The last time he mentions being employed is in the 80's as some White House consultant. If he were a woman and knew how to sell himself like Lewinsky, maybe he could have stayed longer.

(China may be going down the old Soviet path to disintegration | John Lenczowski)

Being self-employed is not wrong. It shows independence. He obviously worked for white house so he knows what he is talking about. He has the credibilty and the record. I don't know what your problem is? By the way, he is not the only one saying these things. Nobody has a good word about Chinese economy.

 

[Fukuoka]

Did you look under your bed today? There might be a little Jew there.

That's why i had a bad night

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Now reintegration won't be possible compared to the past. Anno 21th century you have very powerful neighbors. Once you loose some territory, your neighbors who you made yourself enemy to them, will do every military and economic invest in the broken off regions so you will be locked around Beijng. For example Japanese or other neighbors will invest in Tibet, East-Turkistan, some Chinese regions that hate Beijng and you won't get them back. Why would they want brutal Beijng rule back?

Powerful neighbors?

Our strongest neighbour is India and they dont tend to fight much but would rather talk non stop.
Turkey? A country so cowardly that it cannot war without the umbrella of foreign nations?

Xinjiang and Tibet is to stay, and Turkey is to nag and howl.

AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Raphael]

Being self-employed is not wrong. It shows independence. He obviously worked for white house so he knows what he is talking about. He has the credibilty and the record. I don't know what your problem is? By the way, he is not the only one saying these things. Nobody has a good word about Chinese economy.

Nobody is impressed when an unemployed person says they have an "independent spirit". Just like nobody is impressed by "freelance" journalists who couldn't get a steady contract with a proper news outlet. In the US, there are a couple of thinktanks with prestige, such as Brookings, CSIS, CFR. Some of these are warmongering neocon thinktanks, but the prestige is still there, at least in the US. The fact that Lezowski couldn't get a gig there shows he's a washed-up has-been, forever a relic of the Reagan era.

Anyway, this article was scavenged from February. It wasn't valid then, and it certainly isn't valid now after all the milestone events that have since occurred. Since then, Russia has annexed Crimea and turned the Black Sea into a Russian Lake. Now, ISIS has more or less carved out a state from Iraq and Syria. ISIS is surrounded by Syria, Turkey and Iraq, three banana republics that are on the verge of anarchy and could give way with the simplest prod from ISIS, just like how the Taliban cleaned up Afghanistan after the civil war. So as you can see, the world has far more worrying hotspots.

 

[SrNair]

There is a historical truth behind it. It is not like China never disintegrated. It happened several times in history where they got pushed to the coastal regions. Some regions including some Chinese regions don't want Beijng control. That is a fact.

You know the Chinese iron hand method,when it comes to the suppression of separatism.Disintergration of China ,I dont think so.They are the world second largest economy and still growing.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

the writing is on the walls guys, with further slowing down of economy and eventual lockdown, it only matter of time

Only in your wet dreams.

 

[atatwolf]

Nobody is impressed when an unemployed person says they have an "independent spirit". Just like nobody is impressed by "freelance" journalists who couldn't get a steady contract with a proper news outlet. In the US, there are a couple of thinktanks with prestige, such as Brookings, CSIS, CFR. Some of these are warmongering neocon thinktanks, but the prestige is still there, at least in the US. The fact that Lezowski couldn't get a gig there shows he's a washed-up has-been, forever a relic of the Reagan era.

Not everything is money. The guy has credibility and solid record. Maybe he doesn't want to be restricted by thinktanks but wants to express his view uncensored? If you read his article, I agree with him 100%. China goes the same rout as Soviet.

Anyway, this article was scavenged from February. It wasn't valid then, and it certainly isn't valid now after all the milestone events that have since occurred. Since then, Russia has annexed Crimea and turned the Black Sea into a Russian Lake. Now, ISIS has more or less carved out a state from Iraq and Syria. ISIS is surrounded by Syria, Turkey and Iraq, three banana republics that are on the verge of anarchy and could give way with the simplest prod from ISIS, just like how the Taliban cleaned up Afghanistan after the civil war. So as you can see, the world has far more worrying hotspots.

Actually thinktanks already predicted what was going to happen in Ukraine. You don't have to be super scientist to know when NATO is expanding in Eastern Europe that Russia is going to retaliate. They all thought this out. Same way they thought everything for China out

You know the Chinese iron hand method,when it comes to the suppression of separatism.Disintergration of China ,I dont think so.They are the world second largest economy and still growing.

We all know how iron hand / iron curtain method worked for Soviets

 

[ephone]

Why there are always such idiots???

No wonder fxxker like gordon chang can still make a living in the west.

The repression of Chinese anti-corruption activist Xu Zhiyong is part of a political crackdown on scores of activists, journalists, and intellectuals. This crackdown involves increased internet controls and a Marxist-Leninist ideological purification campaign for Chinese journalists on which I have commented earlier.
What is particularly fascinating about this new and predictable round of Chinese communist repression is that it has been accompanied by an official anti-corruption campaign organized by none other than Chinese Communist Party Secretary Xi Jinping. This is uncannily reminiscent of the official Soviet reaction to corruption within the ranks of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU).

Effects of corruption in the USSR

In the Soviet case, this corruption was the tip of an iceberg of a much larger crisis — namely, a crisis of Party discipline. It was this crisis that was one of the central reasons for the collapse of the communist enterprise in the Soviet Union.

What is the connection between this crisis and the Soviet collapse?

First of all, one must recognize that the CPSU had grown to be a massive bureaucratic monstrosity with over 20 million members. Most of them were ideological workers — i.e., propagandists and agitators — and prefects, who were non-productive monitors of what productive activity was undertaken in the USSR in order to ensure conformity with the Party line. The fundamental problem that had developed within this system was that orders issued from the top would suffer from erosion and ultimately would not be implemented efficiently or at all when they reached the lower and local levels.

This lack of discipline was partly a function of bureaucracy and partly the result of corruption. The corruption, in turn, originated from the black market, which the Party had to tolerate because it was the only vehicle ensuring literally the physical survival of the labor force. It was the only means by which acute shortages of goods and services could be filled — and this was done through the price mechanism.

The underground economy always existed within the USSR, even during the harshest periods of Stalinist repression. Over time, the underground entrepreneurs, led by the mafia, gained ever greater influence and freedom of operation because of their success in bribing Party officials. Eventually, those officials began to invest in illegal underground commercial ventures.

So, both these investments and the bribes meant that ever larger numbers of Party cadre were developing forms of self-interest that were at variance with the Party’s interest. This was called a crisis of partiinost’ (Party-mindedness).

A crisis of Party discipline

By the time of the General Secretaryship of former KGB Chief Yuri Andropov, the Party leadership had recognized this crisis of discipline and had begun to initiate measures to combat it. When Mikhail Gorbachev came to power, he intensified these measures. He conducted an ideological purification campaign of the Party membership. He arrested and prosecuted 250,000 members of the Party and managerial elite for various types of corruption. He conducted a massive crackdown on the underground economy, during which 800,000 underground entrepreneurs were arrested or fled their jobs for fear of arrest.

Gorbachev launched the glasnost’ campaign, which Soviet propaganda gave Westerners to believe was a campaign of increased openness, transparency, and even freedom of speech, when in fact, it was designed to encourage people to tattle on and denounce Party corruption. The irony of this situation was that ordinary people took advantage of this campaign, exploiting a critical vulnerability of the Party state. This vulnerability grew out of the crisis in the Soviet military economy, which was unable to remain technologically competitive with the United States.

The only way the Party could remedy that military industrial crisis was to seek an economic bailout from the West. But to do this, Gorbachev could not present himself and the Party as ruthless oppressors of their own people or active enemies of the West. So, in one of the few such periods in Soviet history, there opened a window of opportunity for people to criticize the regime, denounce its corruption, and call for radical political change without the usual risk of being thrown into the Gulag.

Let us not be under any illusions, however. Gorbachev was forced against his will into presenting both an image and a partial reality of liberalism. But he did invade Lithuania. His regime incited inter-ethnic conflicts in many of the Union republics as part of a divide-and-rule strategy. The KGB spurred pogroms by Azeris against Armenians. His armed forces invaded Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan. His goons used poison gas on freedom demonstrators in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi and slaughtered them with sharpened military shovels. Most of these ruthless measures remain unknown in the West, as they were overshadowed by Gorbachev’s charm campaign.

It is for this combination of reasons that close to a million people could take to the streets of Moscow to demonstrate for radical political change in 1991, putting immense pressure on the regime.

Corruption in China today

The Chinese communist regime has worked mightily to learn from, and avoid, a repetition of this Soviet experience. It has attempted to make self interest compatible with Party membership as part of its controlled economic reforms, where most major enterprises are under the control of Party officials or People’s Liberation Army officers.

But there is no escaping the corrosive effects that corruption has on Party discipline and the social alienation that this corruption causes. So long as there is this amazing level of corruption in the Chinese Party, the regime will continue to be the target of anti-corruption activists. It will continue to suffer from pandemic civil disturbances — over 70,000 of these nationwide on an annual basis. And it will continue to have to crack down on all of this.

The Chinese communists are riding a tiger that they may not be able to control. The question for the United States is: should we continue to allow our trade with China to provide the regime with resources that help it survive such pressures?
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..... the writing is on the walls guys, with further slowing down of economy and eventual lockdown, it only matter of time

 

[tranquilium]

I do believe I have said this a lot of times already----if Chinese economic growth is "bad", what on earth does it make your economy? Turkey has less percentage GDP growth than India and at less than half of India's GDP. It couldn't even compare to Mexico, let alone the likes of China.

Also, as far as corruption goes, again, if China is corrupt, then what does it make Turkey?
2013 corruption scandal in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also for historical disintegration, while Chinese dynasties had up and downs, it is consistently expanding throughout the history, that's why we ended up with such a large territory. Comparing to Turkey, which shrunk from a 5.2 million km² empire into a 783,562 km² minor nation.

Look, if school test is used as analogy. China would be one that typically makes 100, but only got a 97 in the recent test. By that standard, Turkey would barely scrape together a 70 and you have the gall to argue that China is the one in trouble?

 

[tranquilium]

Powerful neighbors?

Our strongest neighbour is India and they dont tend to fight much but would rather talk non stop.
Turkey? A country so cowardly that it cannot war without the umbrella of foreign nations?

Xinjiang and Tibet is to stay, and Turkey is to nag and howl.

AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The whole discussion is pretty ridicules in the first place. Turkey is talking about breaking up China. This is like a rat talking to its fellow rats that how they are going to beat up the cat.

 

[ephone]

It is not turkey as a whole but some idiot with a turkey flag says so.

It is very likely it is one of the uighur terrorists.

It always makes me laugh when that idiot tries to talk tough since it always reminds me the pathetic idiotic turkish brigade during korean war.

The whole discussion is pretty ridicules in the first place. Turkey is talking about breaking up China. This is like a rat talking to its fellow rats that how they are going to beat up the cat.

 

[atatwolf]

The whole discussion is pretty ridicules in the first place. Turkey is talking about breaking up China. This is like a rat talking to its fellow rats that how they are going to beat up the cat.

China will brake up itself because of stupidity as explained in the article. Turkey, Japan, India, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam will take advantage of it.

It always makes me laugh when that idiot tries to talk tough since it always reminds me the pathetic idiotic turkish brigade during korean war.

If China starts another war with our allies, we will send another brigade. In Korean war we took 3 million Chinese souls but at the end there is peace and South-Koreans are forever thankful to us. Yesterday we freed South Korea, tomorrow we will free Uighur, Tibetans and some Chinese regions that are hostile to Beijing.

I do believe I have said this a lot of times already----if Chinese economic growth is "bad",

Your economy is dependend on foreign trade. Your domestic market is nonexistent because of poor Chinese farmers. Those farmers are kind of getting tired of China's racist approach. One class is living normal life, other class is living the life of a dog. We want to help these people brake free from Beijing so they can live normal life.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Also for historical disintegration, while Chinese dynasties had up and downs, it is consistently expanding throughout the history, that's why we ended up with such a large territory. Comparing to Turkey, which shrunk from a 5.2 million km² empire into a 783,562 km² minor nation.

Yes, it was Turkey (the country... not the bird) that disintegrated to a tiny piece of its original size.

Whereas China has always re-united through our thousands of years of history, and we are growing stronger every day.

Turkey means nothing to us, it has no impact on anything important in the world. Not anymore.

 

[UKBengali]

Atawolf is always entertaining wishing for China's demise.

I think he got rejected by a Chinese girl once.