China Lost 14 Million People in World War II. Why Is This Forgotten?

[vostok]

The crux of our discussion was based on you belittling Americans for only good at dropping bombs. The fact is they fought the biggest naval battle, they also took the islands of Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Japanese casualties tallied one hundred over thousands.

Manchuria, aka NorthEast, was puppet state created by Japan, recognized only Japan. Majority of population are Han Chinese. No question of it going back to China once Japan was defeated, it's a matter of time.

No one disputes the good relationship between USSR and China.

You're missing my point, I'm not comparing but alluding to you that it's easy to say Iwo Jima and Okinawa were easy when you didn't fight there, much like how an american would belittle stalingrad when they didn't fight there.

China from the Japanese troops liberated the Soviet Union, not the United States. This fact you can not deny, can't you?
U.S. dropped the bomb on Japan just before the onset of the USSR, not a month earlier or a month later and it was the in first signal to Stalin, and in the second - the emperor.
Americans might well recognize Manchukuo, especially under the patronage of the United States - then they would have a strategic advantage over the Soviet Union, received a long land border.
I was saying that they "can only sink ships and drop bombs." And I'm saying it again. Americans have waited a very, very large losses in Manchuria, or Japan (the main islands, but even a small Okinawa took them 3 months).
Americans in Stalingrad would not survive even 1 month. Americans have never waged war on their territory against a large-scale, full-fledged invasion. Due to the fact that they live on the island.
Americans are good at sea, but not on land. Now they have certainly learned to fight, thanks to the continuous aggressions against small states.

 

[scorpionx]

When the Japanese Army was committing horrible war crimes including rape,murder,plundering,using of poison gas (often called the special smoke euphemistically),the west and Russia turned a blind eye on one of the most shameful incidents in the history of world war. Stalin, at one time reinforcing the Nationalistic Army with battle tanks and war planes were at unease when Nazis invaded Czechoslovakia. Stalin did not want to engage the Japanese army any more while Zhukov was defeating the Kwantung army in the battle of Khalkhin Gol. The cunning Russian tyrant planned to engage the Chinese with the Japanese and keep his eastern border at peace,which the clever political operator Chiang cleverly estimated at once.

Unfortunately the world situation was not in favor with the Generalissimo and his ill equipped forces which had no lack of will or patriotism to drive the Japanese out of Chinese territory. Russians stopped their supply.West did not have courage to fight the Japanese facing the immediate threat from Germany. More peril delivered on the fate of the poor fighting nationalistic forces was the National Government of Reformed Kuomintang in Nanking (ironically the city which united the general Chinese against the Japanese) and the Communists were secretly dealing with the Japanese in Central China.

The ghastly history of the Japanese Invasion in China would never be forgotten in the eyes of the keen readers of History. This tale is well recorded in the documents prepared by the veteran Spanish Civil war reporters,Film Makers and photographers like Robert Capa,Christopher Isherwood and W.H Auden. The diaries like written by Corporal Nakamura who does not fail to describe the dreadful butchery and rape in the most eloquent manner would always remind us of this reprehensible crime in the history of mankind.

 

[Fattyacids]

China from the Japanese troops liberated the Soviet Union, not the United States. This fact you can not deny, can't you?
U.S. dropped the bomb on Japan just before the onset of the USSR, not a month earlier or a month later and it was the in first signal to Stalin, and in the second - the emperor.
Americans might well recognize Manchukuo, especially under the patronage of the United States - then they would have a strategic advantage over the Soviet Union, received a long land border.
I was saying that they "can only sink ships and drop bombs." And I'm saying it again. Americans have waited a very, very large losses in Manchuria, or Japan (the main islands, but even a small Okinawa took them 3 months).
Americans in Stalingrad would not survive even 1 month. Americans have never waged war on their territory against a large-scale, full-fledged invasion. Due to the fact that they live on the island.
Americans are good at sea, but not on land. Now they have certainly learned to fight, thanks to the continuous aggressions against small states.

Neither USSR nor US liberated China. The war against the Japs was ongoing then, we still have 2/3 of the land. There was assistance from both USSR and US, but we did the fighting ourselves.

No country would recognize Manchuria, because it never existed in history. The population are mostly han chinese. It was a Japanese creation to divide and invade China.

You're still NOT getting it. The point is not about stanligrad, but that it's easy to talk the talk when you don't have to walk the walk.

 

[noname1]

Japans surrender was because of US dropping nuclear weapons on Japan is what liberated all occupied Japanese countries. That's a given.

 

[northeast]

Japans surrender was because of US dropping nuclear weapons on Japan is what liberated all occupied Japanese countries. That's a given.

Chinese alone killed nearly 500,000 Japanese soldiers.don't put all credit to the yankees.

 

[scorpionx]

Chiang wanted to fight the Japanese at Shanghai to show his determination to the west and the warlords. He assumed the Americans would be involved if he showed that he can at least go toe to toe with the Japanese.

Chiang Kai-Shek,was in no mood to engage in a battle in Sanghai. The reason is purely military from Chinese point of view. A defeat in Sanghai would have opened the mouth of Yantzee river which proved to be a smooth pass for the Japanese naval battery to move deep into the centre of China.
Second explanation is, he was advised by General Von Falkenhausen, former commander in Chief of the Weimar Republic to split the battlefront to prevent the Japanese concentration achieving a quick victory.

The most reasonable argument is, Stalin was deeply concerned for the rapid success of the Japanese troops in Northern China and wanted to shift the battlefront in the south.The plan was to be successfully implemented by general Chang Ching-chong,a Russian Sleeper,despite repeatedly cautioned by Generalissimo to refrain from any clash with the enemy by a false attack on the Sanghai airfield on 9th August.

 

[noname1]

Chinese alone killed nearly 500,000 Japanese soldiers.don't put all credit to the yankees.

I am not giving all the credit to the Yankees, but the reason for the surrender was the dropping of atom bombs.. China was more involved in the Chiang Kai-shek vs communist from 1929 to 1950 then the war against Japan. About ten million died in that conflict.

The Soviet Union attacked the Republic of China in 1937 during the Xinjiang War

The Xinjiang Wars were a series of armed conflicts which took place within Xinjiang in the Republic of China during the Warlord Era and Chinese Civil War. The wars also played an important role in the East Turkestan independence movement.

 

[Desert Fox]

But You're bragging. Russia entered the war against Japan very late. The Japanese had lost the war at the crucial battle of Midway. Americans even took the islands of Iwo Jima and Okinawa. The decision to use the A bomb was to minimize American casualties in lieu of a full scale invasion.

The decision to use nukes also had a political motive, which was to intimidate Stalin, but he just kinda brushed it off.

 

[Oldman1]

China from the Japanese troops liberated the Soviet Union, not the United States. This fact you can not deny, can't you?
U.S. dropped the bomb on Japan just before the onset of the USSR, not a month earlier or a month later and it was the in first signal to Stalin, and in the second - the emperor.
Americans might well recognize Manchukuo, especially under the patronage of the United States - then they would have a strategic advantage over the Soviet Union, received a long land border.
I was saying that they "can only sink ships and drop bombs." And I'm saying it again. Americans have waited a very, very large losses in Manchuria, or Japan (the main islands, but even a small Okinawa took them 3 months).
Americans in Stalingrad would not survive even 1 month. Americans have never waged war on their territory against a large-scale, full-fledged invasion. Due to the fact that they live on the island.
Americans are good at sea, but not on land. Now they have certainly learned to fight, thanks to the continuous aggressions against small states.

You are assuming thats all we did by bombings and fighting at sea. And Stalin desperately wanted the U.S. and the allies to invade Normandy and opened the western front. So much for Soviet superiority on land. Guess Stalin was afraid he would lose his army by the time he reached Germany.

 

[Nan Yang]

On August 6, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima. Late in the evening of August 8, 1945, in accordance with the Yalta agreements, but in violation of the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan, and soon after midnight on August 9, 1945, the Soviet Union invaded the Imperial Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo. Later that same day, the United States dropped a second atomic bomb, this time on the city of Nagasaki. The combined shock of these events caused Emperor Hirohito to intervene and order the Big Six to accept the terms for ending the war that the Allies had set down in the Potsdam Declaration.

Japan was also worried of a Soviet invasion of Japan

 

[xunzi]

I cannot believe this ****** Hiroshito was not try for war crime. This is one the biggest slap in Chinese face and we will never forget this.

 

[xunzi]

So, how did 14 million Chinese die in World War 2? I find that number to be just mind blowing.

Did the Japanese kill the 14 million Chinese alone? Was it done through carpet bombing? Was there a Chinese holocaust? Did they die through militant resistance to Japanese occupation?

It was a combination of direct and indirect result of the Japanese invasion.

 

[gambit]

Chinese alone killed nearly 500,000 Japanese soldiers.don't put all credit to the yankees.

But was THAT the overwhelming compelling reason for the surrender? No.

Ky

The Kyūjō Incident (宮城事件 Kyūjō Jiken?) was an attempted military coup d'état in Japan at the end of the Second World War. It happened on the night of 14 August 1945 – 15 August 1945, just prior to announcement of Japan's surrender to the Allies. The attempted coup was put into effect by the Staff Office of the Ministry of War of Japan and by many from the Imperial Guard of Japan in order to stop the move to surrender.

Look at the date.

The A-bombs were on Aug 6th and 9th. So...Despite the nuclear destruction of two cities, there were still powerful enough actors in the Japanese government who will not surrender and they staged a palace coup. So there is no reason for anyone to believe that Chinese inflicted casualty on Japanese troops was even a significant factor for the side who advocated surrender.

 

[AADHAAR]

Chinese can treat the death of 14 million people as a sad event ... but in military terms, lets not pretend any "heroism" or "martyrdom".

There were millions of others who "ran away" successfully or were plain lucky.

Death =/= martrydom.

Otherwise, the people who died in cultural revolution or even sichuan earthquake would qualify for being called "martyrs". !!!

Martyrdom is about walking into the face of danger (knowingly) to a purpose, and in the process if you lose your life you become a martyr.

Martydom is not about a rock falling on your head by nothing but a piece of misfortune, and you succumbing to the effects of such divine rock.

 

[vostok]

Neither USSR nor US liberated China. The war against the Japs was ongoing then, we still have 2/3 of the land. There was assistance from both USSR and US, but we did the fighting ourselves.

No country would recognize Manchuria, because it never existed in history. The population are mostly han chinese. It was a Japanese creation to divide and invade China.

You're still NOT getting it. The point is not about stanligrad, but that it's easy to talk the talk when you don't have to walk the walk.

To compare with Okinawa, you can choose from hundreds of small battles of the USSR and Germany, but not Stalingrad orKursk Bulge - scales are not comparable.
In Manchukuo ruled descendant of Chinese emperors, so it could be recognized. West even recognized Kosovo, where is governed by the "president" - a former terrorist who stole the Serbs and selling organs.
France also controlled part of its territory, but, like China, would not get rid the Nazi troops.