China landed at Gawadar port

[Patriot]

lol......the fact that they left all of a sudden with having 30 years on the lease remaining isnt selfexpanatory enough?

PSA couldn't do anything because Supreme Court of Pakistan stalled any activities on the court and eventually they gave the judgement that PSA-GOP Deal was illegal therefore null and void.

 

[Audio]

PSA couldn't do anything because Supreme Court of Pakistan stalled any activities on the court and eventually they gave the judgement that PSA-GOP Deal was illegal therefore null and void.

i take it, there will be no such objections to this deal, right?


So you dont accuse me of linking evul zionist western imperial media:

Pakistan in talks to hand Gwadar Port to China | The Nation

PSA declined to comment but Ghauri and Singaporean sources confirmed that PSA’s imminent handover of control was triggered in part by Pakistan’s failure to fulfil its commitments, one being the building of a motorway link to service the port. Other differences included the government’s failure to transfer land for the port’s expansion.

Supreme court? Where?

This all stinks of realpolitik powerplay....

 

[ahfatzia]

lol......the fact that they left all of a sudden with having 30 years on the lease remaining isnt selfexplanatory enough?

You're out because China needs a port with which to bypass Malacca Straits.....and for the foreseeable future you ain't coming back.

This is ofcourse only my speculation, but i'd do the same if i was China.
Disperse assets and in the event of a war and attack on the port, Pakistan would be easily dragged into it as an ally.
win-win.

Don't speculate too much unless you're in the know, deals are done behind the scenes and strategies are weighted. With the political wind changed so much since the signing I don't my government should be the one who leads the development. Perhaps a more capable player in China should leads and in such a case and Singapore, a pragmatic no nonsense business only, is certainly welcome as technical participant.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Pakistan may transfer operational control of the Gwadar deep-water port from Singapore’s PSA International to a Chinese company, The Financial Times has reported.
“We have reached an agreement with PSA, where they have decided to leave the port at Gwadar. They are in discussions with a possible Chinese investor,” Minister of Ports and Shipping Babar Ghauri told The Financial Times in an interview.
Gwadar, built with a loan from China, is close to the Pakistan-Iran border and the Strait of Hormuz, through which much of the Gulf’s oil exports are carried by ship to international markets.
PSA began running the port five years ago under a contract valid for up to 40 years, but is now preparing to leave.
PSA declined to comment but Mr Ghauri and Singaporean sources confirmed that PSA’s imminent handover of control was triggered in part by Pakistan’s failure to fulfil its commitments, one being the building of a motorway link to service the port. Other differences included the government’s failure to transfer land for the port’s expansion.
“There is a decision for PSA to leave and we have given our consent,” said Mr Ghauri, who declined to name the potential Chinese replacement.
However, officials said strategic as well as commercial interests played a part in the change.
China’s assumption of the port contract “will be a landmark development, both for Pakistan and China”, said a senior government official. “This has great value for China,” he said. “We believe the Chinese may use their presence at Gwadar to lay down a pipeline in future for transporting Middle Eastern oil to western China.”
Another Pakistani official said the port contract would be “the second most vital Chinese investment in Pakistan after the Karakoram highway”, the road linking Pakistan to western China.
Gwadar port, which had a total investment of $248 million, received $198 million in funding from China, according to the commerce ministry in Beijing.

In simple terms, PSA has just "cut and run" from Gwadar; in order to minimise its losses. The fact of the matter is, that GoP was unable to deliver on a promise to develop connectivity from Gwadar port to the hinterland. Nor did the security situation around Gwadar improve after PSA took the contract to run the port. In those circumstances PSA was unable to attract any trade to the port, which was the reason for their involvement in the first place. And PSA found itself saddled with a "lulu-lemon". And finally PSA opted out.

Now with the Chinese supposedly stepping in, lets see how their luck holds out. Taking over the port is no big deal, however running the port depends on the two things I've enumerated earlier. If that does not happen, the port will not run. Thats that!

 

[Audio]

Don't speculate too much unless you're in the know

Of course im not in the know, but this is a forum for debate.

, deals are done behind the scenes and strategies are weighted. With the political wind changed so much since the signing I don't my government should be the one who leads the development. Perhaps a more capable player in China should leads and in such a case and Singapore, a pragmatic no nonsense business only, is certainly welcome as technical participant.

China has the know how to run it itself....

 

[regular]

now wait for bugtee terrorists kdnapping chinese workers

Hey! But Chinese workers are kungfu masters so Bugtee terrorists better watchout for their @$$z before they can even think for evil stuff.........

 

[tarrar]

Someone please answer my question. Does this mean that China will protect or help Pakistan navy if it is attack by any country from the Gawadar Port?

I think Pakistan will allow China to construct their Naval Base in Pakistan which will strengthen the ties between the two countries even more. There were some talks going on in the past which indicated that China is interested in making Naval Base in Pakistan.

This is good news for Pakistan Gawadar Port needs to be functional as soon as possible.

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan moves to cancel PSA's Gwadar contract


Pakistan has moved to allow the Port of Singapore Authority (PSA) to withdraw from a contract to manage a strategically important deep sea port on the Arabian Sea coast, government officials have confirmed.

Minister of Ports and Shipping Babar Ghauri told a senate committee on 28 August that PSA and two of its Pakistani partners were withdrawing from the contract to manage Gwadar port after the government failed to meet its obligations to facilitate PSA's expansion of the port, The Dawn newspaper reported.

A Pakistani government official stated on 30 August that "a decision has been finalised under which PSA will leave".

The Dawn reported that Ghauri had "not been able to meet contractual obligations and resolve land issues. As a result they [PSA and its partners] have gone under duress and we issued them an NOC [no objection certificate] yesterday to give up their [management, operation, maintenance and development] contract."

PSA signed a 40-year management contract for Gwadar in 2007, but had been criticised by Pakistani officials for failing to fulfil promises to develop the facility, which is about 700 km west of Karachi but only 80 km east of the Iranian border. Other sources said that Pakistan Navy intransigence over its development of the nearby facility, PNS Akram, for the PN's Maritime operations had stymied PSA's development opportunities at Gwadar.


COMMENT
PSA's withdrawal from Gwadar opens the door to China, which built the port for Pakistan. Sardar Fateh Muhammad Hassani, who chaired the meeting where Ghauri spoke, reportedly confirmed that Beijing "will take over the Gwadar port" and would invest USD10 billion in development funds.

Some Pakistani officials believe China will see a friendly port near the Gulf as further evidence of the value of strategic ties with Pakistan, which has received key hardware from Beijing such as the co-produced JF-17 'Thunder' fighter aircraft, Sword-class F-22P frigate and Al Khalid (MBT 2000) main battle tank.

However, Chinese officials remain wary. In June 2011 Defence Minister General Liang Guanglie rejected a request by his Pakistani counterpart, Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar, to build a naval base at Gwadar. Such a move would run counter to Beijing's narrative of its peaceful rise and apparently confirm Indian fears of encirclement

JDW

 

[Pakistanisage]

Trade? Passing through Afghanistan and Pakistani tribal areas? Best of luck for that.

Why passing thru Afghanistan ? Afghanistan is a landlocked country.....

You do know China has border with Pakistan directly ?

You are not making any sense.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Again---you have to see it in what has happened to the world in the middle east in the last one year---. It has been uprooted and power base totally disrupted----. As russia has lost all of its influence in this short time---so has china---both the nations have suffered tremendously due to the power struggle---.

As america has come out the winner in these chess games---the chinese don't want to be left out---iran as usual is a pariah nation---which has no clue to its head or tail.

It would be in the interest of china and russia to move at a lightening pace and show their presence at the gwadar port immediately---. Which must fizzle out some of the rhetoric coming out of israel against striking iran and similiarly from the u s as well.

Leasing the port to singapore was a strange gesture by pakistan in the first place---. There was no reason to give it to singapore while having the chinese develop it----just like the Thar coal project---letting the germans start the research proceedings and then letting the chinese take it over---.

 

[Ticker]

Don't know about Gwadar but Chabahar had been a great shock for Pakistan.

How has Chahbahar been a shock to Pakistan.

It is a shallow water port, which means large ships can not dock.

No trade, if at all, take place from this port to Afghanistan and beyond.

Zaranj-Dilaram road built by the Indians is hardly in trade transportation use.

The Iranians instead have linked the port to its internal cities.

Yes, Pakistanis are happily shocked, if that is what you mean.

 

[OrionHunter]

thats gud news for pakistan now we have to wait to see the arival of naval warships and submarines of china at gawadar

For a photo op?

You guys really get a high and pine for the Chinese to step in and take over everything - ports, establish air bases, and deploy their military assets all over Pakistan, don't you? You need crutches as you can't stand on your own feet. America's crutches are falling apart, so now is the time to lean on China's. As it is you have allowed 11,000 PLA troops to occupy parts of Pakistan Administered Kashmir where no Pakistanis are allowed without valid permits! That sucks, what?

Oh of course, Pakistan is soon morphing into a vassal state of China - 'Pakistan Autonomous Region'. Just like Tibet! It's a question of time!

 

[Ticker]

Its not the potential of Chabahar vs Gwadar but India using Chabahar getting access to Afghanistan and Afghanistan getting alternate route for trade which Pakistanis never want.

For Afghan trade through Iran, Chahbahar port does not really provide a major alternative. There are many bigger and better ports and port facilities on offer in other Iranian ports.

Even for an access to Central Asia, other major Iranian ports have already been connected with multiple transportation means as well as routes.

Afghanistan's survival as a trade and transportation hub will be more contingent on Gawadar than Chahbahar. Gawadar will be used both by Americans as well as the Chinese and all others. Unless of-course Iranians and Americans become Hindi-Cheeni Bhai Bhai.

 

[SamranAli]

Don't know about Gwadar but Chabahar had been a great shock for Pakistan.

Only word for you "Delusion".

 

[OrionHunter]

Leasing the port to singapore was a strange gesture by pakistan in the first place---. There was no reason to give it to singapore while having the chinese develop it.

That's the million dollar question! Why didn't China agree to take the port on lease in the first place? What has changed since then? Keeping strategic considerations aside, it is the economic viability of the port that is the crunch point.

If China is going to invest close to $10 billion over a decade, it would want handsome returns on its investment. If PSA lost out financially due to various restrictions, I wonder how China is going to improve things? There is no room for expansion as there are insurmountable land acquisition problems which will not be easy to sort out. With lack of connectivity and restrictions in expansion due to the naval base, I wonder how the Chinese intend getting back their money's worth?