China jails man for teaching Islam online

[Tang_BJ]

In those thousands of years, how long have you been completely atheist. Or say majority of your population being atheist?

Chinese as far as I see are pseudo atheists. They are highly superstitious. Chinese may not follow any mainstream religion, but they are deeply entrenched in superstition.

And many of them believe in the spirits of the ancestors.

Secondly, China is a highly westernized society which always tries to copy the west. Even the ideology of communism is a western idea no matter how many times you try to make it 'Chinese' by quoting ancient texts. Every religion has some qualities that can be attributed to communism and socialism.

Believing in god doesn't make a person stupid.

Shang dynasty is theocracy,king is god,then Zhou dynasty replaced Shang dynasty,new king found a problem,the god is already killed by him,and he have no idea declare himself as god,due to every one knew he is not. At last,he got a resolution,he declared that god already left us,and transferred the whole world to him,then no god from now on. This event is called “绝通天地”."disconnection between heaven and earth ".
confucious was born in Zhou dynasty, lived in that kind of environment,so confucious attitude is "敬鬼神而远之"，"respect ghost or deity, and be far away from them ".focus on reality,don't talk about any ghosts , spirit or gods.
Zhou dynasty is feudal society,king declared all lands belongs to him,and he assigned all lands to his son s and family members.his people named himself "citizen",due to they lived in city,they call others out of city as "savage". At the beginning of Zhou,there are about 800 kingdoms,these kingdoms are fighting with savages,and fighting each other.till early spring and autumn period,about 170 kingdoms left,till warring states period,7 kingdoms left, they are still fighting each other,at last Qin successed.Qin shihuang named himself as the first emperor .he don't want to share his lands to his sons, so he renamed these kingdoms as provinces ,use bureaucrat to manage them. Qin dynasty didn't exist very long time,but this management system exists for a very long time,and confucious theory is chosen to select bureaucrats.
In ancient China, all intelligentsia are atheism.

 

[Chhatrapati]

In ancient China, all intelligentsia are atheism.

I read you I understand what you said, but like I said, it's not atheism. Or say Chinese Atheism.

 

[leapx]

CBS news about China？ it must be true .We all know USA media never lie in their report about China

 

[武成王]

Online preaching is very easy to go wrong direction, this is the primary concern of government, spreading fake news and rumors which can cause riot, and instability of society is also a crime according to Chinese law, we already saw some nudnicks arrested for spreading fake terrorist attack news over internet in the past few years.

 

[beijingwalker]

Chinese Christian churches targeted in religious crackdown
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...ristian-churches-targeted-religious-crackdown

China targets more on Christians, it grows very fast.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

In those thousands of years, how long have you been completely atheist. Or say majority of your population being atheist?

Chinese as far as I see are pseudo atheists. They are highly superstitious. Chinese may not follow any mainstream religion, but they are deeply entrenched in superstition.

And many of them believe in the spirits of the ancestors.

Secondly, China is a highly westernized society which always tries to copy the west. Even the ideology of communism is a western idea no matter how many times you try to make it 'Chinese' by quoting ancient texts. Every religion has some qualities that can be attributed to communism and socialism.

Believing in god doesn't make a person stupid.

Keep spewing your cow manure.

Definition of Atheism:

"Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2][3][4] Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist.[5][6] In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[1][2][7][8] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[9][10] which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists.[10][11][12]"

The fundamental aspect of Atheism is the utter rejection of the existence of deities/divine beings, hence the word 'Atheism' or 'anti-god'. You are confusing superstitious practices with the belief in an 'all-almighty being'.


i have an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive–compulsive_disorder ritual myself, whereby i have to knock my maindoor 3 times, not more, not less- whenever before i head out of my house, because i believe it(not knocking my door 3 times) will bring me 'bad luck' if i dont complete this 'bizarre' ritual. To some(or you)- this action alone can be classified as 'superstitions', but does that make me a believer of 'god'?

Please post in this thread only when u have something intelligent to say.

Thanks.

*PS nobody said believing in 'god' makes one stupid. You're proclaiming this out of thin air yourself:

Believing in god doesn't make a person stupid.

Your innate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanisms ?

Haha thanks.

 

[Chhatrapati]

"Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2][3][4] Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist.[5][6] In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[1][2][7][8] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[9][10] which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists.[10][11][12]"

Lol! Still doesn't prove me wrong that many of the Chinese pray to some old ancestor spirit. That's not atheism.

Superstition is any belief or practice that is irrational - i.e., it arises from ignorance, a misunderstanding of science or causality, a positive belief in fate or magic, or fear of that which is unknown. "Superstition" also refers to religious beliefs or actions arising from irrationality.[1]

The word superstition is often used to refer to a religion not practiced by the majority of a given society regardless of whether the prevailing religion contains superstitions.[2] It is also commonly applied to beliefs and practices surrounding luck, prophecy, and certain spiritual beings, particularly the belief that future events can be foretold by specific (apparently) unrelated prior events.[2]


An oxymoron (usual plural oxymorons, more rarely oxymora) is a rhetorical device that uses an ostensible self-contradiction to illustrate a rhetorical point or to reveal a paradox.[1][2] A more general meaning of "contradiction in terms" (not necessarily for rhetoric effect) is recorded by the OED for 1902.[3]

The term is first recorded as latinized Greek oxymōrum, in Maurus Servius Honoratus (c. AD 400);[4] it is derived from the Greek ὀξύς oksús "sharp, keen, pointed"[5] and μωρόςmōros "dull, stupid, foolish";[6] as it were, "sharp-dull", "keenly stupid", or "pointedly foolish".[7] The word oxymoron is autological, i.e. it is itself an example of an oxymoron. The Greek compound word ὀξύμωρον oksýmōron, which would correspond to the Latin formation, does not seem to appear in any known Ancient Greek works prior to the formation of the Latin term.[8]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

Please post in this thread only when u have something intelligent to say. *PS nobody said believing in 'god' makes one stupid. You're proclaiming this out of thin air yourself:

Next time when you jump into the middle of a conversation please check the previous comment. That's very intelligent of you.

Haha thanks.

Don't mention it

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Lol! Still doesn't prove me wrong that many of the Chinese pray to some old ancestor spirit. That's not atheism.

Superstition is any belief or practice that is irrational - i.e., it arises from ignorance, a misunderstanding of science or causality, a positive belief in fate or magic, or fear of that which is unknown. "Superstition" also refers to religious beliefs or actions arising from irrationality.[1]

The word superstition is often used to refer to a religion not practiced by the majority of a given society regardless of whether the prevailing religion contains superstitions.[2] It is also commonly applied to beliefs and practices surrounding luck, prophecy, and certain spiritual beings, particularly the belief that future events can be foretold by specific (apparently) unrelated prior events.[2]


An oxymoron (usual plural oxymorons, more rarely oxymora) is a rhetorical device that uses an ostensible self-contradiction to illustrate a rhetorical point or to reveal a paradox.[1][2] A more general meaning of "contradiction in terms" (not necessarily for rhetoric effect) is recorded by the OED for 1902.[3]

The term is first recorded as latinized Greek oxymōrum, in Maurus Servius Honoratus (c. AD 400);[4] it is derived from the Greek ὀξύς oksús "sharp, keen, pointed"[5] and μωρόςmōros "dull, stupid, foolish";[6] as it were, "sharp-dull", "keenly stupid", or "pointedly foolish".[7] The word oxymoron is autological, i.e. it is itself an example of an oxymoron. The Greek compound word ὀξύμωρον oksýmōron, which would correspond to the Latin formation, does not seem to appear in any known Ancient Greek works prior to the formation of the Latin term.[8]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

Next time when you jump into the middle of a conversation please check the previous comment. That's very intelligent of you.

Don't mention it

Apparently Gallup doesnt agree with you.

Lol! Still doesn't prove me wrong that many of the Chinese pray to some old ancestor spirit.

how many is 'many'? 'what ancestral spirit'?

That's not atheism.

Nope, the definition of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism has already been linked.

Keep regurgitating the same old pile of cud. Chew longer first.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Apparently Gallup doesnt agree with you.

Gallup polls aim to represent the opinions of a sample of people representing the same opinions that would be obtained if it were possible to interview everyone in a given country.

The majority of Gallup surveys in the U.S. are based on interviews conducted by landline and cellular telephones. Generally, Gallup refers to the target audience as "national adults," representing all adults, aged 18 and older, living in United States.

The findings from Gallup's U.S. surveys are based on the organization's standard national telephone samples, consisting of directory-assisted random-digit-dial (RDD) telephone samples using a proportionate, stratified sampling design. A computer randomly generates the phone numbers Gallup calls from all working phone exchanges (the first three numbers of your local phone number) and not-listed phone numbers; thus, Gallup is as likely to call unlisted phone numbers as listed phone numbers.

Within each contacted household reached via landline, an interview is sought with an adult 18 years of age or older living in the household who has had the most recent birthday. (This is a method pollsters commonly use to make a random selection within households without having to ask the respondent to provide a complete roster of adults living in the household.) Gallup does not use the same respondent selection procedure when making calls to cell phones because they are typically associated with one individual rather than shared among several members of a household.

When respondents to be interviewed are selected at random, every adult has an equal probability of falling into the sample. The typical sample size for a Gallup poll, either a traditional stand-alone poll or one night's interviewing from Gallup's Daily tracking, is 1,000 national adults with a margin of error of ±4 percentage points. Gallup's Daily tracking process now allows Gallup analysts to aggregate larger groups of interviews for more detailed subgroup analysis. But the accuracy of the estimates derived only marginally improves with larger sample sizes.

After Gallup collects and processes survey data, each respondent is assigned a weight so that the demographic characteristics of the total weighted sample of respondents match the latest estimates of the demographic characteristics of the adult population available from the U.S. Census Bureau. Gallup weights data to census estimates for gender, race, age, educational attainment, and region.

Read more about conducting polls in Gallup's longer paper, "How Are Polls Conducted?"


And it's a great methodology.

Don't bring me polls about China.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Gallup polls aim to represent the opinions of a sample of people representing the same opinions that would be obtained if it were possible to interview everyone in a given country.

The majority of Gallup surveys in the U.S. are based on interviews conducted by landline and cellular telephones. Generally, Gallup refers to the target audience as "national adults," representing all adults, aged 18 and older, living in United States.

The findings from Gallup's U.S. surveys are based on the organization's standard national telephone samples, consisting of directory-assisted random-digit-dial (RDD) telephone samples using a proportionate, stratified sampling design. A computer randomly generates the phone numbers Gallup calls from all working phone exchanges (the first three numbers of your local phone number) and not-listed phone numbers; thus, Gallup is as likely to call unlisted phone numbers as listed phone numbers.

Within each contacted household reached via landline, an interview is sought with an adult 18 years of age or older living in the household who has had the most recent birthday. (This is a method pollsters commonly use to make a random selection within households without having to ask the respondent to provide a complete roster of adults living in the household.) Gallup does not use the same respondent selection procedure when making calls to cell phones because they are typically associated with one individual rather than shared among several members of a household.

When respondents to be interviewed are selected at random, every adult has an equal probability of falling into the sample. The typical sample size for a Gallup poll, either a traditional stand-alone poll or one night's interviewing from Gallup's Daily tracking, is 1,000 national adults with a margin of error of ±4 percentage points. Gallup's Daily tracking process now allows Gallup analysts to aggregate larger groups of interviews for more detailed subgroup analysis. But the accuracy of the estimates derived only marginally improves with larger sample sizes.

After Gallup collects and processes survey data, each respondent is assigned a weight so that the demographic characteristics of the total weighted sample of respondents match the latest estimates of the demographic characteristics of the adult population available from the U.S. Census Bureau. Gallup weights data to census estimates for gender, race, age, educational attainment, and region.

Read more about conducting polls in Gallup's longer paper, "How Are Polls Conducted?"


And it's a great methodology.

Ok, so what is your methodology then? the 'Southie method'? And why r u linking this:

'The majority of Gallup surveys in the U.S. are based on interviews conducted by landline and cellular telephones.'

when the subtopic now between u and i is about Chinese atheism? do u even bother to read what u post before blindly copy n pasting?

haha thanks.

Don't bring me polls about China.

haha in that case your comments are getting more and more ridiculous. So what polls do u have ? 'Southie polls international'?

hahaha thanks.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Ok, so what is your methodology then?

the 'Southie method'?


haha in that case your comments are getting more and more ridiculous. So what polls do u have ? 'Southie polls international'?

hahaha thanks.

You got no materials. Just move on.

Ciao!

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

You got no materials. Just move on.

Ciao!

exactly- looks like Indians, after running out of substance- retreat both at the Doklam plateau and online at PDF lmao.

Hey thanks.

 

[Chhatrapati]

when the subtopic now between u and i is about Chinese atheism? do u even bother to read what u post before blindly copy n pasting?

Yeah, man I read that before posting lol. I'm not interested in rhetorical/troll replies. I'm over such stuffs. Like these, I'm able to do that, but I've passed that.

'Southie polls international'?

Coming to your question. Nobody admits they are superstitious. Calling through landline to random numbers in China is not a brilliant idea. They conduct survey for 1000 people and it's mathematical probability that half of the person who claim they are Atheist are actually atheist. Is their any verification to that?

PS: I'm just talking about surveys on religions and beliefs.

Doklam plateau and online at PDF lmao.

Lol! The poor attempt.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Yeah, man I read that before posting lol. I'm not interested in rhetorical/troll replies. I'm over such stuffs. Like these, I'm able to do that, but I've passed that.

no idea what u r babbling and going round about- can u rephrase?

Coming to your question. Nobody admits they are superstitious. Calling through landline to random numbers in China is not a brilliant idea. They conduct survey for 1000 people and it's mathematical probability that half of the person who claim they are Atheist are actually atheist. Is their any verification to that?

PS: I'm just talking about surveys on religions and beliefs.

= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

topic is about atheism, but now u're diverting attention and disgressing to the surveys itself.
The CHinese said they are atheists.
You are telling the Chinese no, they r not atheists.

Question is:

If they've already professed to be Atheists, who are u to tell them whether they are 1 in the 1st place?

Ridiculous hahahahaha.

Thanks.

Lol! The poor attempt.

no attempt needed. That's what happened on the ground and also what u r doing now.

Thanks.

 

[Chhatrapati]

That's what happened on the ground and also what u r doing now.

Awww! Still hurt about it? That's not the topic here Chine. Neither is what we are discussing. I don't wanna go too far with this.

The CHinese said they are atheists.
You are telling the Chinese no they r no atheists.
If they've already professed to be Atheists, who are u to tell them whether they are 1 in the 1st place?

1000 in 1.4 billion. Can you tell me the probability of them telling the truth.

Now what are the Chances of having nearly 1 billion being atheist. Based on 1000 people.

Do you think Chinese are not at all superstitious?