China is watching Western democracy eat itself

[gambit]

Read it again and Mao was dead for half a century already but your mind was still stuck in his time.

Subsequent leaders after Mao kept China's progress as sub-par, to put mildly.

China's leadership is based on thousands of years old Confucian meritocracy, read more of the Chinese history if you like to learn more.

You are avoiding the question, which was about your claim that China's model for selecting leaders are somehow 'superior' because each was selected based upon education, experience, and wisdom. Bottom line: Did not work.

It's a farce if you think you can change anything by voting.

If my vote do not matter, Trump would not be president. That does not mean I voted for Trump. But see if you can figure out why.

...Chinese leaders all have to started from a lower level, most of them village level manangement jobs and work their way up based on their achievements.

How did that worked out? Why did it took so long for these leaders to recognize the disaster that was socialism?

 

[Nan Yang]

the golden thing of the American system is that all politicians have limited powers

Bush took a country to war in Iraq on a lie of weapons of mass destruction.
Over 4000 US soldiers die for a lie. A trillion dollars drained from the US treasury. The country handed over to Iran which is now becomes the new enemy. Oil goes to China. Country destroyed and becomes the birthplace of IS, a new more destructive terrorist group.

Where is the accountability for this "Smart" Bush ?

 

[beijingwalker]

Subsequent leaders after Mao kept China's progress as sub-par, to put mildly.

Could be comparing with your competent presidents starting wars around the world, in 1978 China's GDP was less than 5% of US's and now the margin is very small, so they are sub par and your above par... whatever you believe to make yourself happy.

How did that worked out? Why did it took so long for these leaders to recognize the disaster that was socialism?

Socialism also brings China huge success, China recognized the disater of the Great leap forward and cultural revolution decades ago, just in case you don't know.

 

[gambit]

Could be comparing with your competent presidents starting wars around the world, in 1978 China's GDP was less than 5% of US's and now the margin is very small, so they are sub par and your above par... whatever you believe to make yourself happy.

Socialism also brings China huge success, China recognized the disater of the Great leap forward and cultural revolution decades ago, just in case you don't know.

Socialism failed everywhere, including China. Your leaders did what JPN did -- learned from the West. The experience they had from China meant nothing. Deal with it.

 

[beijingwalker]

Socialism failed everywhere, including China. Your leaders did what JPN did -- learned from the West. The experience they had from China meant nothing. Deal with it.

LOl, it's doing well in China, socialism is just a general idea, how to play with it is in every country's own hands.

 

[Nan Yang]

Western electoral democracy have reached it's level of incompetence.

 

[gambit]

LOl, it's doing well in China, socialism is just a general idea, how to play with it is in every country's own hands.

Yeah...An ABANDONED idea. Your China is not a socialist country. You do not need to be a Political Science major to see that. YOU have been hoodwinked into believing that. Socialism as a label is more palatable than authoritarian, which is truly what China is.

Political morality is when a country subscribe to and implement political principles that are beyond the people. More popularly call 'ideology'. Democracy, Marxism, or socialism are examples.

Your China is an amoral country. Not immoral, but amoral, meaning subscribing to no political morals at all. Your China is RULED, not managed. Your China must be ruled precisely because your leadership do not believe in any ideology at all. The only thing they know is power.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yeah...An ABANDONED idea. Your China is not a socialist country. You do not need to be a Political Science major to see that. YOU have been hoodwinked into believing that. Socialism as a label is more palatable than authoritarian, which is truly what China is.

Who told you socialism must be soviet style, in our eyes that was false socialism and ours is the true one, but anyway, any thing must change when they come to China, Buddhism is China is very different form it in other countries, but it is still called Buddism, that's no true of false of a system, only ways to use them to serve your purpose.

 

[Placemat]

Mao made mistakes, the Chinese government admitted that. But in a sense, he completely changed Chinese people's mentality and made the country culturally and mentally ready for the coming fast development. What slows India down is their old mentality, evil caste system and fractious numerous superstitions and practices.

Well i have my views on chinese

India elected an Italian waitress out of one billion Indians. Way to go.

Ok.. but we could

 

[gambit]

Who told you socialism must be soviet style, in our eyes that was false socialism and ours is the true one, but anyway, any thing must change when they come to China, Buddhism is China is very different form it in other countries, but it is still called Buddism, that's no true of false of a system, only ways to use them to serve your purpose.

There is an old joke about US presidents...

Wilson proved anyone can be president.
Roosevelt proved anyone can be president forever.
Eisenhower proved the country does not need one.

Hilarious...

Realistically, of course the US needs a president. Jokes are usually exaggerations but they contains elements of truth. In this joke, that Eisenhower was a very hands-off president, is that American political institutions are much more resilient than thought. The US can effectively run itself without a president. The Eisenhower administration is not that long ago, not even one generation old if we consider one generation to be about 80 yrs.

That is why I said Xi RULES and Trump merely manages.

Historically, dictatorships and authoritarian states are not stable in the absence of a ruler, so we end up with dynastic governments like your China and the Soviet Union or the Assads in Syria. US presidents can actually trust the US government while dynastic governments needs blood heirs or a closed claque of elites like your China to keep the country whole.

You can call your China 'socialist' all you want but no one take that seriously. China is an authoritarian government. Your leaders are politically incestuous.

 

[beijingwalker]

Historically, dictatorships and authoritarian states are not stable in the absence of a ruler, so we end up with dynastic governments like your China and the Soviet Union or the Assads in Syria..

You claim is so funny, do you know several US persidents were actually related, it never happened once in PRC, saying dynastic governments.

You can call your China 'socialist' all you want but no one take that seriously. China is an authoritarian government. Your leaders are politically incestuous.

As long as they get Chinese people's support and bring out good results, who cares what yankees think, it's not their country.

 

[gambit]

You claim is so funny, do you know several US persidents were actually related, it never happened once in PRC, saying dynastic governments.

The word 'dynastic' in political perspective means UNBROKEN.

I do not see any apparent blood relations between Obama and the others, do you?

As long as they get Chinese people's support and bring out good results, who cares what yankees think, it's not their country.

Then this thread is nothing more than another circle jerk for US haters, right? But then, PDF is full of circle jerks threads, so nothing new.

 

[beijingwalker]

The word 'dynastic' in political perspective means UNBROKEN.

I do not see any apparent blood relations between Obama and the others, do you?

US sticks to its old school governance and refuses to change, is that what you mean "unborken", Chinese systems change fast with the time, that's why you see our governance is totally different from what it was decades ago but US remains the same, so "unbroken"

I do not see any apparent blood relations between Obama and the others, do you?
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You can learn a lot by checking


Genealogical relationships of Presidents of the United States

Direct descent
The United States Presidents who are related to each other by direct descent are:

• John Adams and John Quincy Adams (father and son)
• William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison (grandfather and grandson)
• George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush (father and son)

Two other pairs of Presidents have shared a surname. Andrew Johnson and Lyndon Johnson have no known relationship. Theodore Roosevelt and Eleanor Roosevelt (née Roosevelt), who was Theodore's niece.

Indirect relatives
This is a list of some of the closer blood relations, other than direct descent, between U.S. Presidents. (See James Madison and Zachary Taylor

• James Madison and James K. Polk (once removed)

• Zachary Taylor and James K. Polk (once removed)

Third cousins

• Martin Van Buren and Theodore Roosevelt (three times removed)
• Martin Van Buren and John Adams and Calvin Coolidge (five times removed)
• James Madison and Barack Obama (nine times removed)

Fourth cousins

• John Tyler and William Henry Harrison (once removed)
• Ulysses Grant and Franklin D. Roosevelt (once removed)
• John Adams and Millard Fillmore (three times removed)
• John Quincy Adams and Franklin D. Roosevelt (three times removed)
• Zachary Taylor and Franklin D. Roosevelt (half-cousins, three times removed)
• George H. W. Bush (three times removed)
• Lyndon Johnson and Barack Obama (three times removed)
• John Quincy Adams and Calvin Coolidge (four times removed)
• Franklin Pierce and Calvin Coolidge (four times removed)
• George W. Bush (four times removed)
• John Adams and Franklin Pierce and Herbert Hoover (five times removed)
• Millard Fillmore and George H. W. Bush (five times removed)
• Millard Fillmore and George W. Bush (six times removed)

Fifth cousins

• Theodore Roosevelt and Millard Fillmore and Grover Cleveland (once removed)
• Rutherford Hayes and Grover Cleveland (once removed)
• John Tyler and Benjamin Harrison (once removed)
• John Quincy Adams and Millard Fillmore (twice removed)
• Millard Fillmore and Ulysses Grant and Calvin Coolidge (three times removed)
• John Quincy Adams and Millard Fillmore and Herbert Hoover (four times removed)
• Franklin Pierce and George H. W. Bush (four times removed)
• Grover Cleveland and Gerald Ford (four times removed)
• Millard Fillmore and Gerald Ford (five times removed)
• Franklin Pierce and George W. Bush (five times removed)

Sixth cousins

• Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter
• Millard Fillmore and Ulysses Grant and Grover Cleveland (once removed)
• Rutherford Hayes and Grover Cleveland and Franklin Pierce and Calvin Coolidge (twice removed)
• Calvin Coolidge and Franklin D. Roosevelt (twice removed)
• Calvin Coolidge and George H. W. Bush (twice removed)
• Gerald Ford (twice removed)
• Ulysses Grant and Gerald Ford (three times removed)
• Rutherford Hayes and Gerald Ford (three times removed)
• Rutherford Hayes and George H. W. Bush (three times removed)
• George H. W. Bush (three times removed)
• Calvin Coolidge and George W. Bush (three times removed)
• George H. W. Bush (three times removed)
• Millard Fillmore and Calvin Coolidge (four times removed)
• Rutherford Hayes and George W. Bush (four times removed)
• George W. Bush (four times removed)
• George W. Bush (four times removed)
• Ulysses Grant and George H. W. Bush (five times removed)
• Ulysses Grant and George W. Bush (six times removed)

Seventh cousins

• Millard Fillmore and Ulysses Grant
• Benjamin Harrison and Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush
• Calvin Coolidge (once removed)
• Millard Fillmore and Franklin D. Roosevelt (once removed)
• Gerald Ford and George W. Bush (once removed)
• Grover Cleveland and George H. W. Bush (twice removed)
• Richard Nixon (twice removed)
• Richard Nixon (twice removed)
• Gerald Ford (twice removed)
• Herbert Hoover (three times removed)
• Gerald Ford (three times removed)
• Grover Cleveland and George W. Bush (three times removed)
• Theodore Roosevelt and George H. W. Bush (three times removed)
• Barack Obama (three times removed)
• Abraham Lincoln and Gerald Ford (four times removed)
• Abraham Lincoln and George H. W. Bush (four times removed)
• Theodore Roosevelt and George W. Bush (four times removed)
• Abraham Lincoln and George W. Bush (five times removed)

Eighth cousins

• Grover Cleveland and Franklin D. Roosevelt (half-cousins)
• Rutherford B. Hayes and Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover (once removed)
• Calvin Coolidge and Richard Nixon (once removed)
• Calvin Coolidge and Gerald Ford (once removed)
• Herbert Hoover and Gerald Ford (once removed)
• Richard Nixon (once removed)
• Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford (twice removed)
• Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama (twice removed)
• Rutherford B. Hayes and Richard Nixon (three times removed)
• William McKinley and Donald Trump (three times removed)

Ninth cousins

• Richard Nixon
• Jimmy Carter
• Benjamin Harrison and Calvin Coolidge (once removed)
• Gerald Ford (once removed)
• Richard Nixon and George H. W. Bush (once removed)
• Richard Nixon and George W. Bush (twice removed)
• James Knox Polk and Donald Trump (five times removed)

Tenth cousins

• Herbert Hoover and George H. W. Bush
• Herbert Hoover and George W. Bush (once removed)
• Gerald Ford and Barack Obama (once removed)
• George H.W. Bush and Barack Obama (once removed)
• George W. Bush and Barack Obama (twice removed)
• James Monroe and Donald Trump (four times removed)

Other relationships
The list above includes the closer, more significant relationships. Family trees, particularly those in a limited geographic area, tend to converge relatively rapidly and many family trees going back ten generations or more will connect to more than one dozen U.S. Presidents, if all female ancestors and their descendants are traced. This is why, for example, Richard Nixonwas the father-in-law of George Washington's half aunt married James Madison's half great-uncle. Woodrow Wilson married (as his second wife) the great-great-great-niece of Thomas Jefferson.

Presidents related to royalty
Presidents related to British royalty

• George Washington (descendant of Edward III of England)
• Thomas Jefferson (descendant of Edward III of England)
• James Madison (descendant of Edward I of England)
• James Monroe (descendant of Edward III of England)
• John Quincy Adams (descendant of Edward III of England)
• William Henry Harrison and his grandson, Benjamin Harrison (descendants of Edward I of England)
• Zachary Taylor (descendant of Edward I of England)
• Franklin Pierce (descendant of Henry I of England)
• Rutherford Hayes (descendant of William I of Scotland)
• Grover Cleveland (descendant of Edward I of England)
• Theodore Roosevelt (descendant of James I of Scotland and Edward III of England)
• Edward III of England)
• Henry II of England)
• Calvin Coolidge (descendant of Edward I of England)
• Herbert Hoover (descendant of Edward III of England)
• James II of Scotland)
• Harry S. Truman (descendant of Robert III of Scotland)
• Richard Nixon (descendant of Henry II of England)
• Gerald Ford (descendant of Edward I of England)
• Jimmy Carter (descendant of Henry II of England)
• George H.W. Bush and his son, George W. Bush (descendants of Edward I of England and Robert II of Scotland)
• Barack Obama (descendant of Edward I of England and William the Lion of Scotland)
• Donald Trump (descendant of Edward III of England)

As a result, all of the listed people are direct descendants of Alfred the Great. All but one of them are also descended from William the Conqueror with the exception of Rutherford Hayes. Most of these royal ancestors were born before the Black Death killed much of the population of Britain in 1349.

In addition, according to Genealogics and Roglo, HM Queen Elizabeth II is among the closest living relatives of George Washington, through their descent from Augustus Warner, Burgess of Virginia.

Presidents related to other royalty

• Theodore Roosevelt and Rajahs of Sarawak
• John F. Kennedy was descended from Dunchaun, who was the brother of the Great High King of Ireland Brian Boru.

https://familypedia.wikia.org/wiki/Genealogical_relationships_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

 

[gambit]

US sticks to its old school governance and refuses to change, is that what you mean "unborken", Chinese systems change fast with the time, that's why you see our governance is totally different from what it was decades ago but US remains the same, so "unbroken"

You can learn a lot by checking

Yours is nothing more than a feeble attempt in trying to portray the US as somehow a 'dynasty' among presidents. No one is buying it. What you posted have been around for DECADES.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yours is nothing more than a feeble attempt in trying to portray the US as somehow a 'dynasty' among presidents. No one is buying it. What you posted have been around for DECADES.

lol, don't lose your cool, it's you that brought up this dynasty theory and now it's open for discussion.

At least none of the Chinese leaders in 70 years PRC history was even remotely related, most of them were engineers and scholars before getting into politics.