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China is watching Western democracy eat itself

Right now, your China's method of governance is problematic and you know it. Never mind 'positive' or 'negative' right. Never mind what kind of 'freedom' you have or do not have.
Every type of governance has pros and cons and no one is perfect, that's normal, now we only see US governance is more problematic than China's, enjoy your funny Trump rule and next time you might put a stand comedian in white house like Ukraine did.
 
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Every type of governance has pros and cons and no one is perfect, that's normal, now we only see US governance is more problematic than China's, enjoy your funny Trump rule and next time you might put a stand comedian in white house like Ukraine did.
Xi rules. Trump manages. Big difference.

But your avoidance of what I said about YOUR standing in the Chinese government is expected. You are quite nothing in the eyes of the Party. And the sad part is that you are content with that status.
 
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Xi rules. Trump manages. Big difference.

But your avoidance of what I said about YOUR standing in the Chinese government is expected. You are quite nothing in the eyes of the Party. And the sad part is that you are content with that status.
Ha, China follows team leadership, every top leader has to prove their worth through decades of hardworking and achievements, US election is just a popular contest, waste of money and time, very often clowns like Trump get elected, I admit I have no say in the Chinese governnment, do you really think you have any influence in US governmment? If you do, you're just being brainwashed beyond any help.
 
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...clowns like Trump get elected,...
We have a clown. You have a crook. And please, do not insult everyone's intelligence by saying Xi is not a crook. Every Chinese leader before him was a crook.

In many ways, you are better off than most Americans. Psychologically speaking -- that is. You are spared the crookedness of your leaders while Americans must suffer the character flaws of their candidates laid bare by an independent media. You are content in ignorance while Americans fight each other via partisanship because we know more than we want.

I admit I have no say in the Chinese governnment,...
Very good.

...do you really think you have any influence in US governmment?
More than you.

If you do, you're just being brainwashed beyond any help.
The fact that our presidential candidates must campaign among the people, from Wall Street executives to Walmart shoppers means I have influence. No matter how small, I still have it.
 
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We have a clown. You have a crook. And please, do not insult everyone's intelligence by saying Xi is not a crook. Every Chinese leader before him was a crook.
As long as you also think Trump is a clown, that'll be good, at least it's a improvemnet for you. Next time choose a stand comedian, people love to see comedies.

More than you.
Haha, how would you like to influence your government?

The fact that our presidential candidates must campaign among the people, from Wall Street executives to Walmart shoppers means I have influence. No matter how small, I still have it.
That's how you find idiots and clowns like Bush and Trump I guess.
 
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Here we go again...

'...the idea to give the equal right to an university professor and a drug-addict thug is merely stupid.'

Do YOU support the idea that we should have different political weight for different people? Mr. AViet, like most critics of Western style democracy on this forum, is heavy on rhetoric but light on details.

Do I want the prof in my house? Yes. But not the drug addict. Am no different than anyone else.

But HOW are we to differentiate out the prof and the drug addict in the eyes of the government? That is fair question to your, or whoever, criticism of my method. :rolleyes:

The implication here is that by allowing the prof and the drug addict the same weight politically, that is leading to the destruction of Western style democracy. But if you criticize but offer no alternative, that is call 'whining'. :lol:

Right now, your China's method of governance is problematic and you know it. Never mind 'positive' or 'negative' right. Never mind what kind of 'freedom' you have or do not have. YOU are politically lower weight than the children of the lowest Party member. In theory, maybe not, but in practice, you are. Those who make the rules can shield themselves and anyone from those rules. Those who have the power to grant 'rights' and 'freedoms' have the power to take them away whenever convenient.

In the Western model, it is 'God', whatever opinion of 'God' you may have is for a different debate, that grants 'rights' and 'freedoms'. In China, it is the government that grants 'rights' and 'freedoms', and right now, you have a 'social credit' system that is beginning to politically differentiate Chinese from each other. Do YOU approve of that model of governance? Fair question.
you probably misread or misunderstand my words. I was not taking any position. I simply pointed out that you guys might talk pass each other because of different understandings on what 'right' is.
 
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CNN and Western media in general, continue to make errors intentionally. All Chinese or Vietnamese top leaders are elected, but within a limited circle of the Party, therefore, a limited democratic process.

I believe it is naïve for a company of 100,000 staff to give the equal voting right to every employee to select its President and Chairman, Similarly, a country should never give equal voting right to every citizen. The voice of the people should be heard, but the idea to give the equal right to an university professor and a drug-addict thug is merely stupid. That's why western style democracy can only work well in a very limited group of highly homogeneous, well-educated countries like Japan.

I have a choice of leaving a company where my voice is not heard. Do such choices exist in countries ?
You are next door to Cambodia. you saw what the Khmer Rouge did.

As long as you also think Trump is a clown, that'll be good, at least it's a improvemnet for you. Next time choose a stand comedian, people love to see comedies.


Haha, how would you like to influence your government?


That's how you find idiots and clowns like Bush and Trump I guess.

I will take idiots and clowns like Bush and Trump any day over the ones who brought the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution to China
 
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I will take idiots and clowns like Bush and Trump any day over the ones who brought the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution to China
Mao took over China by war, a military leader, he founded PRC, he was not chosen by the current PRC selection system. All leaders after him were the result of the merits based Chinese selection system, they all manage China hundreds of times better than US idiots and clowns popularity based presidents who very often had no experience in running anything. I will take Chinese selection system any day over farce clown show of US elections.
 
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Mao took over China by war, a military leader, he founded PRC, he was not chosen by the current PRC selection system. All leaders after him were the result of the merits based Chinese selection system, they all manage China hundreds of times better than US idiots and clowns popularity based presidents who very often had no experience in running anything. I will take Chinese selection system any day over farce clown show of US elections.

the whole point was you could not correct Mao when he did things wrong. Nothing in the Chinese system prevents future Maos. there are no concrete checks and balances

the golden thing of the American system is that all politicians have limited powers
 
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the whole point was you could not correct Mao when he did things wrong. Nothing in the Chinese system prevents future Maos. there are no concrete checks and balances

the golden thing of the American system is that all politicians have limited powers
The whole point of Mao was a military leader and he took over by force, he was an exception that was not the result of the Chinese current selection system based on past management experience and achievements. Washington was also not elected by general a election but he won a war against UK, you can't say his way to the office is the norm of US politics today.
 
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Mao took over China by war, a military leader, he founded PRC, he was not chosen by the current PRC selection system. All leaders after him were the result of the merits based Chinese selection system, they all manage China hundreds of times better than US idiots and clowns popularity based presidents who very often had no experience in running anything. I will take Chinese selection system any day over farce clown show of US elections.
What executive experience did Mao have when he violently took over China? And what of the many disasters that China suffered under Mao? But of course, in PDF, nothing bad had ever happened to China. No wonder China was such a technology powerhouse during the Cold War decades. :lol:

As long as you also think Trump is a clown, that'll be good, at least it's a improvemnet for you. Next time choose a stand comedian, people love to see comedies.
Better than a murderer and a crook.

Haha, how would you like to influence your government?
By voting. Look it up.

That's how you find idiots and clowns like Bush and Trump I guess.
Both men would run circles around all of the PDF Chinese. Trump is unsophisticated, but not stupid. That is where you are confused. Bush was deliberately acting inept so people would underestimate him.

https://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/
I am not kidding. You are quite an intelligent group. Don’t take it personally, but President Bush is smarter than almost every one of you. Were he a student here today, he would consistently get “HP” (High Pass) grades without having to work hard, and he’d get an “H” (High, the top grade) in any class where he wanted to put in the effort.

For more than six years it was my job to help educate President Bush about complex economic policy issues and to get decisions from him on impossibly hard policy choices. In meetings and in the briefing materials we gave him in advance we covered issues in far more depth than I have been discussing with you this quarter because we needed to do so for him to make decisions.
Keep in mind your China's leadership adopted Lysenko-ism, an agricultural and scientific nonsense on the scale of flat Earth.
 
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What executive experience did Mao have when he violently took over China? And what of the many disasters that China suffered under Mao? But of course, in PDF, nothing bad had ever happened to China. No wonder China was such a technology powerhouse during the Cold War decades. :lol:
Read it again and Mao was dead for half a century already but your mind was still stuck in his time.

Mao was a military leader and he took over by force, he was an exception that was not the result of the Chinese current selection system based on past management experience and achievements. Washington was also not elected by general a election but he won a war against UK, you can't say his way to the office is the norm of US politics today.

Keep in mind your China's leadership adopted Lysenko-ism, an agricultural and scientific nonsense on the scale of flat Earth.
China's leadership is based on thousands of years old Confucian meritocracy, read more of the Chinese history if you like to learn more.

By voting. Look it up.
It's a farce if you think you can change anything by voting. US republicans and democrats are basically the same, winner takes all policy prevent all small parties from having any chances, and in case of junior Bush and Trump, most Americans voted for theie opponents but they still got elected. US presidents usually have strong back ground or rich like Bush dynasty and billionaire Trump, Chinese leaders all have to started from a lower level, most of them village level manangement jobs and work their way up based on their achievements. US system stubbornly refuses to change with time just like you, while China system is very flexible and can keep rolling with the punches.
 
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At the base, root or whatever you call it a professor and drug addict are the same.they have the same rights. I cannot take a homeless man and take away his organs against his will to help a dying professor. In india, i cannot take away the vote of a terrorist if he is an indian. Anyways, this is a fundamental differnce.


Every type of governance has pros and cons and no one is perfect, that's normal, now we only see US governance is more problematic than China's, enjoy your funny Trump rule and next time you might put a stand comedian in white house like Ukraine did.
Friend , the anericans can throw out trump in 2020 should they choose. Can you guys do so. You are right that Mao is dead. But you cannot prevent the next Mao. Xi has just taken permanent chair. People who dont like it have no choice
 
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China's success is there for the whole world to see. There is no point arguing if Chinese "ruled" or "managed" their country for the past 70 years. It's time for the West to retrospect if there is indeed an alternative governance system that could be a viable option to western democracy.
 
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