China is rushing to put railguns on warships, but the superguns are likely worthless in a war

[yantong1980]

Zumwalt was NOT intended to replace destroyer squadron to begin with, notice the USN originally wanted 32 while US have planned about 80 Arleigh-Burke Class destroyer (And current number planned is upward to 110) Unless you are claiming the 32 Zumwalt originally planned is to replace 80 destroyer, your point does not fly.

People don't understand the project would think like you did, thinking Zumwalt is a failure, because of cost overrun. People think These ship cost 4 billions to build so the Navy cannot afford those ship and only build 4. But the fact is the other way around, those ship cost 4 billions to build BECAUSE they only build 3. Why? The Design has already pay off, which mean the program cost is ALWAYS going to be 22 billions, regardless on how many Zumwalt the Navy orders, they can order 3, they can order 30, the program cost is still going to be 22 Billions. And with each ship build, the cost per ship WILL GO DOWN, because the R&D cost is shared amongst each ship. So if they build 7, then each ship with cost around 3 billions, and if they keep the 32 order, each ship will cost around 2 to 2.5 billions (Which is similar to a AB Flight 3 Cost)

Why the Navy terminate the project if they have already pay for the R&D and money is not a problem? That's because Zumwalt is too advance, and the US Navy have overestimated the threat that they face, the "threat" does not exist because Zumwalt is an unique ship that does not have an equal in the world. And the fact is, Arleigh Burke Class is still capable to handle foreign threats even tho it is a 30 years old design. That is what killed Zumwalt's. Why keep the fleet of ship that the world have no answer for when you can deal with the problem with the current asset? And if and when the world get to that stage where Arleigh Burke Class can no longer face the threat, they can just as easy resume Zumwalt Production, however, I highly doubt this is the case, because by then, the US Navy would have the "Next Generation" destroyer even better than the Zumwalts.

Yeah, keep your wishful thinking for yourself, this is not about Zumwalt, this is China railguns thread, unless you have information about it, you just attempting to derailed this thread. You still want discuss your beloved Zumwalt, make your own thread, and go discuss somewhere else!

You are a funny poster. The words are written on the walls on over the market places: China railgun is the best since chopsticks were invented.

Chinese invented chopstick so Viet can stop groping their food with their bare hand, is that quite funny for you ? LoL.

 

[Nilgiri]

FACTS REMAINS
1.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONAL TYPE 055 DESTORYER
2.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE AN OPERATIONAL RAILGUN
3.) CHINA DOES NOT HAVE ANY SOLUTION ON THE PROBLEM US NAVY ENCOUNTERED IN 2008

Fact also remains (no. 4)... Facts dont really matter here in CPC stronk subforum.

Fact also remains (no 5)....vast hordes of CPC stronk ppl here are just deep down mad/bitter/envious that if it weren't for the US, they would likely be talking japanese and pretty much be japanese if they were even alive now (and simply had a different kind of cultural revolution that make them forget/ignore different parts of history/reality).

This at its root leads to all the complexes they have now....and why they have to clamour to compare and stronk no.1 whenever possible (regardless of how much sense it actually makes on the issue).

Its simply because some countries get genuine respect without asking for it.....others constantly desire and cry for it (with stronk tears and wails) but do not genuinely receive it from anyone. Add insulated, anti-social princeling complex to it...and it is a very plain and boring rancour of yelling the same thing repeatedly without actual thought process....emboldened by the systemic favoritism heaped on them by the forces that be here.

Add to all of that even some more.... clear over-delivery of promise as to what will be done to opponents/adversaries physically ...and clear vast under-delivery of it over time. That gnaws at them even more (especially given they go all in with the buffer afforded to them here...in spewing that its the case only with other non-middle kingdom countries, not theirs)...and thus causes the cycle to keep repeating, just louder each time.

They are quite amusing in the dullness in the end....sharp wit/creative retort/debate is not honed/projected/sustained as a talent of theirs...and add to that....this forum literally makes them look even more dumb in the end by letting "nuke everyone/mass genocide" princeling character run amok at his fancy (which only happens because of his nationality). Like literally giving a super special kid crayons to keep sticking up his nose as hard as possible (instead of potty training and enforced discipline)....thinking that will somehow change everyones impression of his lot (indulge the stupidity even more, so it bends under its own weight to come full circle with witty intelligence?...an amusing, novel idea I suppose).

Like do they literally have no higher reasoning on the actual reality of what actually everyone else thinks of this behaviour and the tacit dbl standard encouragement?

Very small handful of quality, reasonable Chinese posters are worth engaging with now because of it....there is clearly "two camps"...one much larger than the other. Quite sad given the size of China....those camp sizes shouldnt be so different.

@Viet @Viva_Viet @gambit @VCheng @Hamartia Antidote @KAL-EL @Joe Shearer @padamchen @Vergennes @Desert Fox @The Sandman @Psychic

 

[Nan Yang]

Fact also remains (no 5)....vast hordes of CPC stronk ppl here are just deep down mad/bitter/envious that if it weren't for the US, they would likely be talking japanese and pretty much be japanese if they were even alive now (and simply had a different kind of cultural revolution that make them forget/ignore different parts of history/reality).

This at its root leads to all the complexes they have now....and why they have to clamour to compare and stronk no.1 whenever possible (regardless of how much sense it actually makes on the issue).

Its simply because some countries get genuine respect without asking for it.....others constantly desire and cry for it (with stronk tears and wails) but do not genuinely receive it from anyone. Add insulated, anti-social princeling complex to it...and it is a very plain and boring rancour of yelling the same thing repeatedly without actual thought process....emboldened by the systemic favoritism heaped on them by the forces that be here.

Add to all of that even some more.... clear over-delivery of promise as to what will be done to opponents/adversaries physically ...and clear vast under-delivery of it over time. That gnaws at them even more (especially given they go all in with the buffer afforded to them here...in spewing that its the case only with other non-middle kingdom countries, not theirs)...and thus causes the cycle to keep repeating, just louder each time.

They are quite amusing in the dullness in the end....sharp wit/creative retort/debate is not honed/projected/sustained as a talent of theirs...and add to that....this forum literally makes them look even more dumb in the end by letting "nuke everyone/mass genocide" princeling character run amok at his fancy (which only happens because of his nationality). Like literally giving a super special kid crayons to keep sticking up his nose as hard as possible (instead of potty training and enforced discipline)....thinking that will somehow change everyones impression of his lot (indulge the stupidity even more, so it bends under its own weight to come full circle with witty intelligence?...an amusing, novel idea I suppose).

Like do they literally have no higher reasoning on the actual reality of what actually everyone else thinks of this behaviour and the tacit dbl standard encouragement?

Very small handful of quality, reasonable Chinese posters are worth engaging with now because of it....there is clearly "two camps"...one much larger than the other. Quite sad given the size of China....those camp sizes shouldnt be so different.

Errr..... Chinese whether in China or Taiwan or Singapore or Malaysia do not speak Japanese. But Japanese, they already write in Chinese. So...

You are also very funny. Because Indian speak what? He he he. That's right..English.

 

[Nilgiri]

Errr..... Chinese whether in China or Taiwan or Singapore or Malaysia do not speak Japanese.

All would have spoken Japanese under the large "co-prosperity sphere" that would have come to full fruition long term without USA intervention against Japan when it most mattered. Japan totally wrecked China badly...and we all know what the result (Manchurian experiments and all) would have been long term without US taking on Japan. Do you think Japan would have let China keep a different culture of whatever they tolerated to exist? Heck Mao already illustrated how simple it was to wipe things clean to rebuild....its not hard to think of the hypothetical. You lot simply prove it more and more here yourselves with the copy + paste minus critical thought.

But Japanese, they already write in Chinese.

Chinese can understand Hiragana and Katakana without applying themselves to learn it (that too they represent sounds rather than meanings)? How much is the Kanji prevalence? @bluesky

You are also very funny. Because Indian speak what? He he he. That's right..English.

and what are you typing in to me, you dope. At least type it in Chinese next time to make the point better lol.

 

[VCheng]

Very small handful of quality, reasonable Chinese posters are worth engaging with now because of it....there is clearly "two camps"...one much larger than the other. Quite sad given the size of China....those camp sizes shouldnt be so different.

China, like Turkey has an apparent licence to do they please and flout rules without any problems. Trying to raise such a bias is pointless within the prevailing environment being so blatant.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Errr..... Chinese whether in China or Taiwan or Singapore or Malaysia do not speak Japanese. But Japanese, they already write in Chinese. So...

You are also very funny. Because Indian speak what? He he he. That's right..English.

Only when speaking to ....he, he, he..... Chinese. I speak six Indian languages. Which one can you decipher, world-spanning genius?

Oooops, almost forgot....he, he, he....

 

[Nan Yang]

Zumwalt was NOT intended to replace destroyer squadron to begin with, notice the USN originally wanted 32 while US have planned about 80 Arleigh-Burke Class destroyer (And current number planned is upward to 110) Unless you are claiming the 32 Zumwalt originally planned is to replace 80 destroyer, your point does not fly.

People don't understand the project would think like you did, thinking Zumwalt is a failure, because of cost overrun. People think These ship cost 4 billions to build so the Navy cannot afford those ship and only build 4. But the fact is the other way around, those ship cost 4 billions to build BECAUSE they only build 3. Why? The Design has already pay off, which mean the program cost is ALWAYS going to be 22 billions, regardless on how many Zumwalt the Navy orders, they can order 3, they can order 30, the program cost is still going to be 22 Billions. And with each ship build, the cost per ship WILL GO DOWN, because the R&D cost is shared amongst each ship. So if they build 7, then each ship with cost around 3 billions, and if they keep the 32 order, each ship will cost around 2 to 2.5 billions (Which is similar to a AB Flight 3 Cost)

Why the Navy terminate the project if they have already pay for the R&D and money is not a problem? That's because Zumwalt is too advance, and the US Navy have overestimated the threat that they face, the "threat" does not exist because Zumwalt is an unique ship that does not have an equal in the world. And the fact is, Arleigh Burke Class is still capable to handle foreign threats even tho it is a 30 years old design. That is what killed Zumwalt's. Why keep the fleet of ship that the world have no answer for when you can deal with the problem with the current asset? And if and when the world get to that stage where Arleigh Burke Class can no longer face the threat, they can just as easy resume Zumwalt Production, however, I highly doubt this is the case, because by then, the US Navy would have the "Next Generation" destroyer even better than the Zumwalts.

I am not an expert in ship building but US appears over confident and lack patience when it comes to developing new weapons system. They do not spend enough time testing and debugging new weapons system. They always rush straight into production without properly designing out the bugs. Not only Zummalt, even your litoral combat ship have the same problem. Not to mention the F35, the new aircraft carrier arresting gear and electromagnetic launch system.

In manufacturing this process is called something like "Designing in" the Quality.

I doubt any new generation destroyer would be any different.

 

[Viet]

Fact also remains (no. 4)... Facts dont really matter here in CPC stronk subforum.

Fact also remains (no 5)....vast hordes of CPC stronk ppl here are just deep down mad/bitter/envious that if it weren't for the US, they would likely be talking japanese and pretty much be japanese if they were even alive now (and simply had a different kind of cultural revolution that make them forget/ignore different parts of history/reality).

This at its root leads to all the complexes they have now....and why they have to clamour to compare and stronk no.1 whenever possible (regardless of how much sense it actually makes on the issue).

Its simply because some countries get genuine respect without asking for it.....others constantly desire and cry for it (with stronk tears and wails) but do not genuinely receive it from anyone. Add insulated, anti-social princeling complex to it...and it is a very plain and boring rancour of yelling the same thing repeatedly without actual thought process....emboldened by the systemic favoritism heaped on them by the forces that be here.

Add to all of that even some more.... clear over-delivery of promise as to what will be done to opponents/adversaries physically ...and clear vast under-delivery of it over time. That gnaws at them even more (especially given they go all in with the buffer afforded to them here...in spewing that its the case only with other non-middle kingdom countries, not theirs)...and thus causes the cycle to keep repeating, just louder each time.

They are quite amusing in the dullness in the end....sharp wit/creative retort/debate is not honed/projected/sustained as a talent of theirs...and add to that....this forum literally makes them look even more dumb in the end by letting "nuke everyone/mass genocide" princeling character run amok at his fancy (which only happens because of his nationality). Like literally giving a super special kid crayons to keep sticking up his nose as hard as possible (instead of potty training and enforced discipline)....thinking that will somehow change everyones impression of his lot (indulge the stupidity even more, so it bends under its own weight to come full circle with witty intelligence?...an amusing, novel idea I suppose).

Like do they literally have no higher reasoning on the actual reality of what actually everyone else thinks of this behaviour and the tacit dbl standard encouragement?

Very small handful of quality, reasonable Chinese posters are worth engaging with now because of it....there is clearly "two camps"...one much larger than the other. Quite sad given the size of China....those camp sizes shouldnt be so different.

@Viet @Viva_Viet @gambit @VCheng @Hamartia Antidote @KAL-EL @Joe Shearer @padamchen @Vergennes @Desert Fox @The Sandman @Psychic

Everyone knows US fighter jet F35 has flaws here and there. Same with other stuffs as railgun or destroyer. Everyone can read in the media. But have you ever read that China railgun or plane or destroyer has flaws or problems?

Never!

China is perfect.

Any doubt on China railgun equals blasphemy.

 

[sinait]

All would have spoken Japanese under the large "co-prosperity sphere" that would have come to full fruition long term without USA intervention against Japan when it most mattered. Japan totally wrecked China badly...and we all know what the result (Manchurian experiments and all) would have been long term without US taking on Japan. Do you think Japan would have let China keep a different culture of whatever they tolerated to exist? Heck Mao already illustrated how simple it was to wipe things clean to rebuild....its not hard to think of the hypothetical. You lot simply prove it more and more here yourselves with the copy + paste minus critical thought.

Chinese can understand Hiragana and Katakana without applying themselves to learn it (that too they represent sounds rather than meanings)? How much is the Kanji prevalence? @bluesky

and what are you typing in to me, you dope. At least type it in Chinese next time to make the point better lol.

Don't equate all others to be spineless like Indians who lost the whole continent to just 3000 British East India Company soldiers.
Unless Japan convert to be Chinese like the Mongols and the Manchurians did, they can never rule China.
Japan and China war took 8 long years and may take longer without the US but the conclusion will always be defeat for the Japanese.
If the dumb Japanese were smart, they could have won if they speak Chinese and rule as Chinese.
In that case Japan would have gained the vast land, resources and manpower to rule the world.

The US should thank their God that the Chinese held down 1 million of the Japanese military and resources in a long drawn war.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/18/opinion/the-worlds-wartime-debt-to-china.html
The World’s Wartime Debt to China
.

 

[Nan Yang]

 

[gambit]

I am not an expert in ship building but US appears over confident and lack patience when it comes to developing new weapons system. They do not spend enough time testing and debugging new weapons system. They always rush straight into production without properly designing out the bugs. Not only Zummalt, even your litoral combat ship have the same problem. Not to mention the F35, the new aircraft carrier arresting gear and electromagnetic launch system.

In manufacturing this process is called something like "Designing in" the Quality.

I doubt any new generation destroyer would be any different.

Sounds like an 'expert' to me...

 

[Nilgiri]

Sounds like an 'expert' to me...

Whenever someone says I am/am not X, Y,Z.....BUT......you know there is likely a dumb reason (that they cannot perceive in first place) for the "but"....its a filler word to paste with some paper glue in adhoc way with no actual consistency/merit.

 

[Dalai Lama]

How many line-of-sight weapons do modern naval vessels have on average?

 

[lcloo]

How many line-of-sight weapons do modern naval vessels have on average?

The answer is in between this two illustration.

 

[Beast]

Everyone knows US fighter jet F35 has flaws here and there. Same with other stuffs as railgun or destroyer. Everyone can read in the media. But have you ever read that China railgun or plane or destroyer has flaws or problems?

Never!

China is perfect.

Any doubt on China railgun equals blasphemy.

Another blant lie. There is and you being hate China just being selective.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar...le_spewing_steam_and_losing_power_107506.html

Chinese are humble people. if it did happen, we are more than happy to admit it.

But it is more of some sourgraped who can't find fault with Chinese and decide to create fake news to smear Chinese.