China is keen to form an alternative SAARC

[Jobless Jack]

Not talking about dumping usd. Just want to make a currency like Euro.

China , Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka and also Bhutan if they wanted.

It won't be mandatory though, it will be mutual, like before brexit, UK used both British pound and Euro as their currency.

And third world war will never happen unless all nations want to be destroyed.

Nope.

For that mutual co-op to come you need free trade agreements and a mutual defense at least like EU.



This alliance will allow China to directly threaten the most important shipping lane in the world . While securing their own supply lines.

Saddam and Gadhafi was killed for far lesser crimes.

NATO will come like mad dogs for all 3. They are already challenging Russia for far lesser crimes. If such an alliance between BD- PAK - China takes places. Russia will give her full blessings as this will bring the value of USD even lower, making USD that much closer to crashing----- no actually such an alliance will crash the USD.

This directly challenges western influence and ability to control world economy and influence foreign policy of other nations. They will no longer enjoy the supremacy that they have been holding for the last 300 years. I highly doubt such transition will happen without a fight.

So no. What you say will trigger WW3.

Russia--- is actually rooting for this alliance to take place. The biggest beneficiary should this alliance take shape will be Russia. Although I am sure Russia does not want world war 3. No one does.

 

[VikingRaider]

For that mutual co-op to come you need free trade agreements and a mutual defense at least like EU.

Mutual defense? Yes but covertly.

If it's overt , other countries will run away, as other than China no other members are strong enough to counter west.

Surely this alliance will open Chinese Market for our ( all other members) cheaper goods , and we will import their high quality products.

So win win situation for both. Once members become economically developed, then we can thing differently. Only fools seek for war , and wise people always be ready for it.

This directly challenges western influence and ability to control world economy and ability to influence foreign policy of other nations.

This alliance will allow China to directly threaten the most important shipping lane in the world . While securing their own supply lines.

Saddam and Gadhafi was killed for far lesser crimes.

NATO will come like mad dogs for all 3. They are already challenging Russia for far lesser crimes. If such an alliance between BD- PAK - China takes places. Russia will give her full blessings as this will bring the value of USD even lower, making USD that much closer to crashing----- no actually such an alliance will crash the USD.

So no. What you say will trigger WW3.

Russia--- is actually rooting for this alliance to take place. The biggest beneficiary should this alliance take shape will be Russia

You actually need to observe the course of world politics. What scenario you are projecting are not relevant now . Those days are long gone.

Even if Biden wants war , others in usa won't let him engage, let alone Europe.

Follow Europe's reaction at the voice of Biden after g 7 meeting, specially learn what Germany said.

But about WW3 let's observe , as all we can do is observing.

Our argument isn't going to stop their decision.

NATO will come like mad dogs for all 3

Trump already said that, NATO is no longer needed . And you can't fight on air if you have no land. Where NATO will land even if it's still functioning? Pakistan rejected usa and won't give an inch of land for a single usa soldier.

So from where they will act as mad dog even if they exists?

Now don't say that India will offer land. As if India offer land to west , China will wring the chicken neck ( Shiliguri corridor) , so India won't take such risk.

And also for the sake of argument, even if NATO will come who will bear the cost of war? War isn't a game.

China is much more powerful and they have huge trade surplus.

Please do some research about the influence of China on Brazil and Africa. You will learn what China can do.

So NATO countries aren't as.sholes that they will come as mad dogs only to serve the purpose of biden the president of paper tiger usa.

Don't only measure Chinese ( or other countries) economy with gdp per capita, China is far more capable than many people can even imagine.

 

[bluesky]

China is keen to form an alternative SAARC

Not really understood the form of China-sponsored SAARC if India is not included. BD and Pakistan remain far away from each other geographically. BD has no border links with China.

 

[VikingRaider]

Not really understood the form of China-sponsored SAARC if India is not included. BD and Pakistan remain far away from each other geographically. BD has no border links with China.

Bangladesh has no border with srilanka and Nepal too. That didn't stop forming a saarc. We are sea faring nation.

Also we have border with my Myanmar, and through it we can connect to China.

 

[MajesticPug]

Salaam


China is aggressively moving to encircle India using it superior economic and diplomatic clout. India would need need increase its efforts greatly to stand a chance of maintaining some influence in it's immediate neighborhood (let alone the general region).

Not really. China is busy developing its own economy, and others' economies if they want to join. India is welcome to join from Shanghai Cooperation to RCEP to SAARC. But India chose to join the US-led QUAD, which is not economic development but a NATO-like, Cold-War pact. QUAD is a misplaced, mis-timed pact that will drain resources from India's development plans. But in India, only the elite fews can say and decide what to do for the nation. Well, a lot of Indians in this forum are very happy with QUAD and hope the Americans let them fly the remaining 20-100's operational F22's to scare the Chinese. What can anyone say to these Indians?

 

[fallstuff]

SAARC never went anywhere , this great idea is going to go in that same general direction where SAARC went.

 

[XDescendantX]

You better oil your own machine Indian sanghi. You are not welcome to my discussion thread. Although I know I have no power to stop you from posting. But I just clarified my position.

So don't bother wasting your time. It's a suggestion only , that you can ignore anytime.

Now buzz off.

He's not Indian that flag in @HalfMoon's avatar is a Kashmiri flag. You guys talk about uniting the Muslims of South Asia but you already started fighting.

China! Come fix this squabble! We can't unite without your help because we're too hardheaded.

 

[VikingRaider]

He's not Indian that flag in @HalfMoon's avatar is a Kashmiri flag. You guys talk about uniting the Muslims of South Asia but you already started fighting.

China! Come fix this squabble! We can't unite without your help because we're too hardheaded.

Is it? Then why many of his attitudes showed that he is here to mock Muslims. Many of his comments are too extreme to doubt them as mockery!

Read some comments of @HalfMoon .

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/covi...from-3-to-28-in-a-month.716248/#post-13217870

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/covi...-to-28-in-a-month.716248/page-2#post-13217944

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...n-prohibition-after-eid.717358/#post-13232566

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-china-and-india-are-wooing-bangladesh.715801/page-2#post-13221042

Now @XDescendantX , after reading his comments, give me a good reason not to doubt him as sanghi troll who is trying to make Islam and Muslims laughing stock?

Also Bangladesh is included and number 4 comment was about kicking all hindus from Bangladesh,but why ? Aren't hindus citizens of Bangladesh?

I became extremely anti India after NRC and CAA. Isn't he saying the same thing? What's the difference between expelling Muslims from India and expelling Hindus from Bangladesh?

There are countless such troll post of him you can find.

 

[lonelyman]

I suggested this same thing on this very forum. A few months back.

A new sarc is needed.

Its very ironic but atheist china will do what no muslim leader has managed to do since the last 200 years.

Unite the muslims of subcontinent under one banner.

India is a curse to the South Asia , by not focusing on development but on bullying small neighbors

 

[bluesky]

Bangladesh has no border with srilanka and Nepal too. That didn't stop forming a saarc. We are sea faring nation.

Also we have border with my Myanmar, and through it we can connect to China.

Yours is a weird logic. QUAD has no border too but it is different. A regional economic organization requires border connections. SL can be connected with the sea. SL and the Maldives belong to our region but China is not. BIMSTEC is a better organization but it is not working the way it should.

China is 10, 000 km away from BD by Sea. China is just playing politics to break SAARC. SAARC is already done because of the India-Pakistan rivalry. Meeting to establish a new organization is underway in Central Asia. India is also there.

But, Pakistan will not allow corridors to Indian transports through its land. So, finally, India, as well as, BD will have to use Bander Abbas or another Iranian Port for transport to Afghanistan and Central Asia.

So, the result will be almost like the SAARC but it is still possible. Without this organization after the American pull-out, BD trade cannot expand to that region.

 

[VikingRaider]

China is 10, 000 km away from BD by Sea. China is just playing politics to break SAARC.

Isn't it most weird logic? If saarc is already done why China needs to break it?

SAARC is already done because of the India-Pakistan rivalry.

But, Pakistan will not allow corridors to Indian transports through its land. So, finally, India, as well as, BD will have to use Bander Abbas or another Iranian Port for transport to Afghanistan and Central Asia.

Bangladesh will get access in Chinese land through Myanmar.

But no more argument, such arguments have no solution unless it happens.

Long days ago you used to bash govt because you believed that govt ( read Hasina) is subservient to India.

I asked you to wait and observe, how Bangladesh will be out from Indian influence.

And now it's already happening you see.

Just wait and observe for further incident ,instead of unnecessary keyboard battle. Just be patient ,you will see how the whole thing works in future.

Thank you.

 

[bluesky]

Bangladesh will get access in Chinese land through Myanmar.

And, who says this if not Burma? You? You must be a million km away from the reality of things.

 

[RPK]

India is a curse to the South Asia , by not focusing on development but on bullying small neighbors

Ever asked your neighbor?

 

[bluesky]

Ever asked your neighbor?

Which neighbor do you want us to ask? Is it SL, Nepal, Bhutan, Pakistan or BD? Every country will answer the same that they want their country to float away from India.

 

[Dalit]

It is going all south for India.