China is economically WAY AHEAD of Vietnam and India

[TaiShang]

You'll have a good laugh.

Months ago, I posted a comment on The Washington Post about a China-related article.

Some guy was upset at what I wrote and he said: "They should award the Star of Lenin to you."

Haha. I get under people's skin with my factual and logical analyses.

So, finally, you have been elevated to being a Communist?

I guess, for them, anyone who uses logic and empiricism to undermine the false narrative of Western ideological (and, increasingly material) superiority narrative and showing them their own fault lines and potentially manipulate them is a Communist.

But, now, it is becoming too obvious to not see. A quick glance at US public life shows the level of degradation; one almost marvel at how their ideological brainwashing was successful so that people remain silent and obedient after so much of corruption and moral degradation has been unveiled over the past one year.

Politics, media, and entertainment are literally stinking. US politics is becoming a family affair. Just a deep search on Jared Kushner's business connections in Israel and Trump's new Jerusalem policy will show us a Mubarak style high-corruption.

But all is well. Amazing. And they get angry and call him a Communist when one tells them that the king has no clothes.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Well that doesn’t explain why Chinese tourists flood VN in record numbers.

But hey as for exile Vietnamese, I notice Chinese restaurants in Germany die in record numbers too that is entertaining considering Vietnamese restaurants boom without end in sight.

No comment on the corruption part huh? I bet you no longer have relatives in Vietnam so you never visited the country in maybe 30 years. These days even vietnamese college students must pay their teacher a considerable amount of money so that their paper could get a pass. For someone who claim to be a vietnamese doesn‘t that make you feel a bit hopeless and sad?

China is by no mean corruption-free but since Deng's market reform we have never seen such rampant corruption

As for the restaurant, not sure what are you getting at but the germans aren’t exactly known for their culinary skills, I am sure they are easily impressed with everything edible

 

[Viet]

Hi @EastWind, I kind of agree with you on that some Chinese has a tendency to tease or "insult" (the word you used) other countries or people. But saying VN is going to have 100 Apple retails stores is just groundless, my friend. May I advise that, in China, back in 2015, we had 15 Apple outlets, and now we have 51 or something. I can not imagine how come VN could have 100, especially, next year.

bro you should have more trust to VN, not believing to the Chinese posters here and Xi Jinping in Beijing who hope we will be stucked in the development level of some primitive countries in Africa forever. Whether 100 stores or 10 doesn’t matter.

Have you read the record inflow of money into VN this year? More than $53 billion in the 11 months. The Japanese and Koreans have more trust to our country. I haven’t even mentioned the $20 billion the exile Vietnamese contribute every year.

 

[AndrewJin]

No comment on the corruption part huh? I bet you no longer have relatives in Vietnam so you never visited the country in maybe 30 years. These days even vietnamese college students must pay their teacher a considerable amount of money so that their paper could get a pass. For someone who claim to be a vietnamese doesn‘t that make you feel a bit hopeless and sad?

China is by no mean corruption-free but since Deng's market reform we have never seen such rampant corruption

As for the restaurant, not sure what are you getting at but the germans aren’t exactly known for their culinary skills, I am sure they are easily impressed with everything edible

I was asked for money at their customs....
I just ignored them.
It is written on tourist guides, when they ask for money, just ignore.
If you respond, they will make your day miserable.

 

[Martian2]

So, finally, you have been elevated to being a Communist?

I guess, for them, anyone who uses logic and empiricism to undermine the false narrative of Western ideological (and, increasingly material) superiority narrative and showing them their own fault lines and potentially manipulate them is a Communist.

But, now, it is becoming too obvious to not see. A quick glance at US public life shows the level of degradation; one almost marvel at how their ideological brainwashing was successful so that people remain silent and obedient after so much of corruption and moral degradation has been unveiled over the past one year.

Politics, media, and entertainment are literally stinking. US politics is becoming a family affair. Just a deep search on Jared Kushner's business connections in Israel and Trump's new Jerusalem policy will show us a Mubarak style high-corruption.

But all is well. Amazing. And they get angry and call him a Communist when one tells them that the king has no clothes.

Something unusual happened in the United States during the last 30 years.

During the 1980s, the mainstream American media publications were full of facts and logical inferences. For example, BusinessWeek had only one page at the very end of each issue that was devoted to editorial (ie. opinion).

I stopped reading BusinessWeek when they abolished the editorial page and started politicizing their stories. America is always cast in a good light. China is always cast in a bad light (at a minimum, in a subtle way).

I'm like a dinosaur. I want to talk about the facts and discuss the reasonable implications of those facts. Two people have outright objected to my factual posts. That guy on the Washington Post wanted to give me the "Star of Lenin." Another guy (was it on Bloomberg comments?) said I was the new Tokyo Rose.

Apparently, discussing China's energy consumption, South China Sea proximity military advantage, China's 2,000-year-old historical title to Xinjiang province and the South China Sea, thermonuclear weapons, etc. rubbed them the wrong way.

Some people want a simple narrative. US is a democracy and always right. China is not a democracy and is always wrong. The real world isn't like that. I bring in a neutral fact-based viewpoint and some people don't want to hear it. Thus, they lash out at me.

For example, I was in the Bloomberg comment section and three guys kept posting anti-China comments. I asked them whether they were sure that China was the problem. I said GM sells three million cars per year in China. Ford sells one million cars per year in China. In contrast, Ford sells 3,000 cars per year in Japan and GM sells 2,000 cars per year. I also provided the citation links to back up my claims.

I asked whether they were sure that China was the economic enemy and not Japan. Interestingly, those three guys immediately stopped posting anti-China comments. That's what I try to do. Let me open your eyes to a few facts and are you willing to hold onto your old anti-China beliefs?

 

[Viet]

No comment on the corruption part huh? I bet you no longer have relatives in Vietnam so you never visited the country in maybe 30 years. These days even vietnamese college students must pay their teacher a considerable amount of money so that their paper could get a pass. For someone who claim to be a vietnamese doesn‘t that make you feel a bit hopeless and sad?

China is by no mean corruption-free but since Deng's market reform we have never seen such rampant corruption

As for the restaurant, not sure what are you getting at but the germans aren’t exactly known for their culinary skills, I am sure they are easily impressed with everything edible

Do you think I don’t know of corruption in VN? I visited VN, my relatives several times, knowing such thing. Just because I don’t talk about it does not mean I don’t know. But if one considers VN has gone thru a deep valley of blood and tears with endless wars, corruption is just a small thing. Yes it is a small thing because it can disappear tomorrow if vietnamese want it to disappear tomorrow. We have seen more terrible things, more than you can imagine.

As Chinese you can feel lucky, enjoying a long peace period, with the fate of China never been really at stake, while we stood several times at an abyss.

 

[AndrewJin]

Something unusual happened in the United States during the last 30 years.

During the 1980s, the mainstream American media publications were full of facts and logical inferences. For example, BusinessWeek had only one page at the very end of each issue that was devoted to editorial (ie. opinion).

I stopped reading BusinessWeek when they abolished the editorial page and started politicizing their stories. America is always cast in a good light. China is always cast in a bad light (at a minimum, in a subtle way).

I'm like a dinosaur. I want to talk about the facts and discuss the reasonable implications of those facts. Two people have outright objected to my factual posts. That guy on the Washington Post wanted to give me the "Star of Lenin." Another guy (was it on Bloomberg comments?) said I was the new Tokyo Rose.

Apparently, discussing China's energy consumption, South China Sea proximity military advantage, China's 2,000-year-old historical title to Xinjiang province and the South China Sea, thermonuclear weapons, etc. rubbed them the wrong way.

Some people want a simple narrative. US is a democracy and always right. China is not a democracy and is always wrong. The real world isn't like that. I bring in a neutral fact-based viewpoint and some people don't want to hear it. Thus, they lash out at me.

For example, I was in the Bloomberg comment section and three guys kept posting anti-China comments. I asked them whether they were sure that China was the problem. I said GM sells three million cars per year in China. Ford sells one million cars per year in China. In contrast, Ford sells 3,000 cars per year in Japan and GM sells 2,000 cars per year. I also provided the citation links to back up my claims.

I asked whether they were sure that China was the economic enemy and not Japan. Interestingly, those three guys immediately stopped posting anti-China comments. That's what I try to do. Let me open your eyes to a few facts and are you willing to hold onto your old anti-China beliefs?

Ignorant people hate facts and reasoning, this is what you see in PDF and almost all western MSM.

 

[MultaniGuy]

This I already knew.

 

[andylrd]

bro you should have more trust to VN, not believing to the Chinese posters here and Xi Jinping in Beijing who hope we will be stucked in the development level of some primitive countries in Africa forever. Whether 100 stores or 10 doesn’t matter.

Have you read the record inflow of money into VN this year? More than $53 billion in the 11 months. The Japanese and Koreans have more trust to our country. I haven’t even mentioned the $20 billion the exile Vietnamese contribute every year.

It doesn't matter whether or not do I have faith or trust in VN.
In fact, I do. VN, as what it's called "small China", if China can do, I guess VN can do too.
However, I, just as other people here, would like to remind and reason with you with simple facts and logic. Even kids can understand.

 

[TaiShang]

bro you should have more trust to VN, not believing to the Chinese posters here and Xi Jinping in Beijing who hope we will be stucked in the development level of some primitive countries in Africa forever.

You are making groundless accusations. Xi Jinping would be happy to see your country developed even further. Why would he propose you Belt and Road if he really did not want to see you prosper. Why would he open up the borders for tourist influx into your country if he did not want better people-to-people relationship.

You are been extremely unfair here. I do not think we want any form of sympathy for our good will but you should at least recognize it.

Have you read the record inflow of money into VN this year? More than $53 billion in the 11 months. The Japanese and Koreans have more trust to our country.

http://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/vietnam-2017-spotting-opportunities-fdi.html/

So, Greater China (Mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong) combined is over 5 billion USD investment. This shows the growing attractiveness of your country. Mainland China would not make FDI as much as Korea does probably because China has a greater global FDI coverage - China's hands are full with the BRI and its FDI is extremely diversified.

Something unusual happened in the United States during the last 30 years.

During the 1980s, the mainstream American media publications were full of facts and logical inferences. For example, BusinessWeek had only one page at the very end of each issue that was devoted to editorial (ie. opinion).

I stopped reading BusinessWeek when they abolished the editorial page and started politicizing their stories. America is always cast in a good light. China is always cast in a bad light (at a minimum, in a subtle way).

I'm like a dinosaur. I want to talk about the facts and discuss the reasonable implications of those facts. Two people have outright objected to my factual posts. That guy on the Washington Post wanted to give me the "Star of Lenin." Another guy (was it on Bloomberg comments?) said I was the new Tokyo Rose.

Apparently, discussing China's energy consumption, South China Sea proximity military advantage, China's 2,000-year-old historical title to Xinjiang province and the South China Sea, thermonuclear weapons, etc. rubbed them the wrong way.

Some people want a simple narrative. US is a democracy and always right. China is not a democracy and is always wrong. The real world isn't like that. I bring in a neutral fact-based viewpoint and some people don't want to hear it. Thus, they lash out at me.

For example, I was in the Bloomberg comment section and three guys kept posting anti-China comments. I asked them whether they were sure that China was the problem. I said GM sells three million cars per year in China. Ford sells one million cars per year in China. In contrast, Ford sells 3,000 cars per year in Japan and GM sells 2,000 cars per year. I also provided the citation links to back up my claims.

I asked whether they were sure that China was the economic enemy and not Japan. Interestingly, those three guys immediately stopped posting anti-China comments. That's what I try to do. Let me open your eyes to a few facts and are you willing to hold onto your old anti-China beliefs?

The fact-based argument with empirical reasoning is probably the most dangerous to those (peoples, regimes) that survive based on simplified (stupefied) meta-narratives (good vs. bad) and heavily-indoctrinated self-aggrandizement and moral high ground claims.

That indeed makes you a Communist because Communist, in their vocabulary, occupies a position offers the US/West the most existential challenge. You may not hold communistic beliefs, but, if you act like a Communist, you are a Communist. You know, even a die-hard ISIS-style political Islamist is preferable to a Communist because an Islamist can be controlled and remote-guided, a true Marxist will never be rented-out.

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The degradation of US intelligentsia is indeed obvious. I guess new technology is partly responsible. Any place where Twitter is popular, intellectualism suffers. I am amazed at the decline in the quality of US readership. Even when I compared to online newspaper comment sections of five years before to now, the decline in quality is obvious. People used to write long pieces with sound, empirical arguments; now, if you check CNN or Fox, or WaPo comment sections, it is one-liners, insults, petty insinuations, and a lack of reasoning and critical thinking.

It is Twitter intellectualism.

Their decline corresponds to the rise of the alternatives like China and Russia in intellectualism and sound-empirical rhetoric. At the end of the day, they clamp down on RT because they cannot compete with RT on fair competition of idea and discourse making.

The way you are treated is, therefore, not surprising.

 

[AndrewJin]

You are making groundless accusations. Xi Jinping would be happy to see your country developed even further. Why would he propose you Belt and Road if he really did not want to see you prosper. Why would he open up the borders for tourist influx into your country if he did not want better people-to-people relationship.

You are been extremely unfair here. I do not think we want any form of sympathy for our good will but you should at least recognize it.



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http://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/vietnam-2017-spotting-opportunities-fdi.html/

So, Greater China (Mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong) combined is over 5 billion USD investment. This shows the growing attractiveness of your country. Mainland China would not make FDI as much as Korea does probably because China has a greater global FDI coverage - China's hands are full with the BRI and its FDI is extremely diversified.



The fact-based argument with empirical reasoning is probably the most dangerous to those (peoples, regimes) that survive based on simplified (stupefied) meta-narratives (good vs. bad) and heavily-indoctrinated self-aggrandizement and moral high ground claims.

That indeed makes you a Communist because Communist, in their vocabulary, occupies a position offers the US/West the most existential challenge. You may not hold communistic beliefs, but, if you act like a Communist, you are a Communist. You know, even a die-hard ISIS-style political Islamist is preferable to a Communist because an Islamist can be controlled and remote-guided, a true Marxist will never be rented-out.

***

The degradation of US intelligentsia is indeed obvious. I guess new technology is partly responsible. Any place where Twitter is popular, intellectualism suffers. I am amazed at the decline in the quality of US readership. Even when I compared to online newspaper comment sections of five years before to now, the decline in quality is obvious. People used to write long pieces with sound, empirical arguments; now, if you check CNN or Fox, or WaPo comment sections, it is one-liners, insults, petty insinuations, and a lack of reasoning and critical thinking.

It is Twitter intellectualism.

Their decline corresponds to the rise of the alternatives like China and Russia in intellectualism and sound-empirical rhetoric. At the end of the day, they clamp down on RT because they cannot compete with RT on fair competition of idea and discourse making.

The way you are treated is, therefore, not surprising.

Pls do cherish your time bro, ignorant people stay ignorant forever.

 

[Place Of Space]

How can be China way ahead of Supa Powa? You must be wrong somewhere.

 

[AndrewJin]

How can be China way ahead of Supa Powa? You must be wrong somewhere.

SP2012 and SP V are standing on top of the world.

 

[Viet]

It doesn't matter whether or not do I have faith or trust in VN.
In fact, I do. VN, as what it's called "small China", if China can do, I guess VN can do too.
However, I, just as other people here, would like to remind and reason with you with simple facts and logic. Even kids can understand.

Ok as we talk of logic and kids, let’s me remind you of the very basic of economy: supply and demand by Adam Smith. x stores will be setup by x demand. If no demand, then 0 store. McDonald just opens a restaurant in Hanoi. What do you think how long it survives if nobody buys hamburger?

But I wonder of why fixation of the number of Apple stores, in my eyes it is not a big deal. It will be decided by the market. VN wants to construct north-south high speed rail soon. Finding $60 billion is a more bigger challenge.

 

[andylrd]

Ok as we talk of logic and kids, let’s me remind you of the very basic of economy: supply and demand by Adam Smith. x stores will be setup by x demand. If no demand, then 0 store. McDonald just opens a restaurant in Hanoi. What do you think how long it survives if nobody buys hamburger?

But I wonder of why fixation of the number of Apple stores, in my eyes it is not a big deal. It will be decided by the market. VN wants to construct north-south high speed rail soon. Finding $60 billion is a more bigger challenge.

Number that we cited is of course a big deal. We measure most of things in this world by numbers, isn't it? If number matters nothing, then I can buy a Mercedez sedan at 100 bucks though its worth 100 thousand, right. And if number doesn't matter, finding $60 billion is NOT "a more bigger challenge", let's get it at $60.