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China, India scaled 'astronomical' heights when West was in Dark Ages

Instead of trying to get a friend in India, you have antagonized India, and India would rather see US win than China at this point.

I am sorry to say this but we had started it first through stupid Nehru's look east policy (One of his many blunders) and then hosting the Tibetan govt in exile in Dharmashala. BTW, giving refuse and hosting a govt. in exile isn't the same thing.
 
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And yet we take pride in only the achievements of only Hindus. If we think the whole world is one family shouldn't we be taking pride in the achievements of humanity instead.

LOL ......... so now after looting and plundering India, destroying schools and burning down universities, muslims what to bask in the Reflected glory ?

Go peddle this snake oil somewhere else.

Let history judge you , and in history as in life, you keep what you earn. Pride or shame.

Pathetic islamphobic revisionist tripe. The history of the Indian subcontinent and the Indus valley civilisation is not this magical peace loving philosophical musings before the big bad scary Muslims arrived. All races contributed to the growth of the subcontinent, including the Muslims who came at various stages of history. The sooner you get rid of your inferiority complex, the sooner we can all move on and acknowledge the role everyone had to play. Seriously just get the chip off your shoulder because the problem with your revisionism and denial of Islamic contributions is that this policy guides BJP in its current anti-Pakistan agenda. Such nonsense has real world consequences. Here in England our historians acknowledge and respect all contubutors to British history, including Vikings, Normans and Romans, who at times were beyond brutal during their conquests. Why can't Hindus grow up and get the Mughal chip off their shoulder already?

LOL.... ok then.

Name me ONE contribution of the muslims :lol:
 
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LOL ......... so now after looting and plundering India, destroying schools and burning down universities, muslims what to bask in the Reflected glory ?

Go peddle this snake oil somewhere else.

Let history judge you , and in history as in life, you keep what you earn. Pride or shame.



LOL.... ok then.

Name me ONE contribution of the muslims :lol:
Mughals invented India. Before them you were a collection of warring tribes. We giveth, hence we can taketh away. So watch your tongue with your islamophobic trash talk.
 
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Mughals invented India. Before them you were a collection of warring tribes. We giveth, hence we can taketh away. So watch your tongue with your islamophobic trash talk.

If that was true, what India is Said al-Andalusi writing about in 1068. :lol:

What India was Xuanzang writing about in 637 AD ? :lol:
 
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Let history judge you , and in history as in life, you keep what you earn. Pride or shame.

Exactly. I neither take pride nor shame from the doings of my ancestors. I live by my deeds.

LOL ......... so now after looting and plundering India, destroying schools and burning down universities, muslims what to bask in the Reflected glory ?

How did muslim manage to come into our conversation.
 
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Exactly. I neither take pride nor shame from the doings of my ancestors. I live by my deeds.

So what are you doing in a history thread ? take your own advice and fcuk off to do your deeds.

How did muslim manage to come into our conversation.

If not the muslims who destroyed our science and maths, Who else are you talking about ? The british who plagiarized our work and claimed it as their own ?
 
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The Indus valley people were not your typical hindu or even indo-aryans ,they were totally different breed of ancient civilization that arrived from westward.
The current Indians shouldn't claim Indus Valley Civilization as their's.
 
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If that was true, what India is Said al-Andalusi writing about in 1068. :lol:

What India was Xuanzang writing about in 637 AD ? :lol:
India as a term was originally a Persian reference, referring to the Indus valley civilisation/Sindh. The Greeks and Persians referred to a specific geographic area, not the modern entity of India. the India you bang on about was composed of gangs of elephant riders who fought each other as well as traded and engaged in scientific and philosophical and artistic projects to their credit. But none of that takes away from the fact that the Mughals were the first to unite India under an iron fist and give rise to what you now know as India the union of Hindu states. It must bother you a lot that the Mughals and British delivered and midwifed your nation. My advice is, take a leaf out of westerners' books. They are proud of their multi-influence heritage. Vikings were pagans and brutally raped and pillaged Britain, but English people are over this and take pride in their Viking, Norman and Roman influences, of various religions and ethnicities, yet bhakts still can't accept that Mughals made their nation strong in many ways.
 
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The nouveau converted Sanamahi and fake Manipuri from Tamu seems to know everything about IVC, one can bet that the poser has found out a way to decipher their script too.
 
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China, India scaled 'astronomical' heights when West was in Dark Ages

Abhishek G Bhaya - 17-May-2019


Editor's note:
This is the second in the series of "MASTER TALK" interviews produced by CGTN Digital timed with the "Conference on Dialogue of Asian Civilizations" in Beijing.

Ancient Asian civilizations like China and India had literally scaled "astronomical" heights, making social, spiritual and scientific endeavors much before the West emerged from the so-called Dark Ages, according to Indian Sinologist Prof. B.R. Deepak.

"As we all know, the concept of zero came from India which made huge breakthroughs in mathematics, sciences and astronomy. Indian astronomers were the first to precisely calculate the diameter of the earth and other planetary motions. This knowledge eventually reached the Greek civilization and disseminated further into Europe," Deepak said in an interview with CCTV.

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A general view of Jantar Mantar, a collection of 19 architectural astronomical instruments based on ancient Indian astronomy, in Jaipur, Rajasthan, India. /Photo via www.jantarmantar.org

The earliest Indian astronomical texts "Vedanga Jyotisha" dates back to 1400-1200 BCE and works of medieval Indian mathematician-astronomers Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta and Varahamihira are well documented. There's numerous evidence of a two-way exchange of such knowledge between the Indian, Persian, Greek and even the Chinese civilizations.

Related story: Highlights of Xi's keynote speech at opening of Conference on Dialogue of Asian Civilizations

"Similarly, the Chinese calendar is a testimony to ancient knowledge about the lunar cycle. The months start with the new moon and the number of days in a month and a year are precisely calculated. These were one of the brilliant discoveries by ancient people. The Chinese calendar was later adopted across Northeast and Southeast Asia," said the professor of Chinese and China Studies at Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi.

"As China has a very strong textual tradition, we can find records of these exchanges, discoveries and inventions right from [the time of] Emperor Qin Shi Huang about how the calendar was implemented, and even during the Han Dynasty. It was an extremely well-developed system which led to the advancement of civilizations, cultures and also the productivity in the society," he elaborated.

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A set of special stamps issued by Hong Kong, China, under the theme of 'Four Great Inventions of Ancient China', August 18, 2005. /Xinhua Photo

The Sinologist also pointed out the four great inventions in ancient China – papermaking, printing, gunpowder and the compass – and also the production of silk had an immense impact on the entire human civilization.

Related story: Dialogue of Civilizations: How Asia sowed the seeds of internationalization

At the same time India was home to one of earliest civilizations in Asia – the Indus Valley Civilization that dates back to 3300 BCE – Deepak noted, stressing that the real significance of this came around 2600 BCE with the emergence of the first "city-states" in the world.

"They were the first to build brick houses and a sophisticated drainage system. The historical records and excavated relics from various sites, some of which are now in Pakistan, clearly points out that this was one of the earliest and very advanced city-state civilizations which had its own belief system and a script," he elucidated

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A caretaker inspects the ruins and structures made of bricks at the ancient Indus Valley Civilization site in Lothal, Gujarat, India. /AFP Photot

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An archaeological site of the ancient Indus Valley Civilization in Lothal, Gujarat, India. Latest evidence suggests the Indus Valley Civilization, spread over the western part of India and adjoining areas of Pakistan and known for its well-planned cities and impressive crafts, predates Egypt and Mesapotamia. /AFP Photo

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A caretaker inspects the ancient bricks at the drainage site in the ancient Indus Valley Civilization site in the town of Lothal, Gujarat, India. /AFP Photo

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A caretaker inspects the ruins and structures made of bricks at the ancient Indus Valley Civilization site in Lothal, Gujarat, India. /AFP Photot

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An archaeological site of the ancient Indus Valley Civilization in Lothal, Gujarat, India. Latest evidence suggests the Indus Valley Civilization, spread over the western part of India and adjoining areas of Pakistan and known for its well-planned cities and impressive crafts, predates Egypt and Mesapotamia. /AFP Photo

"So, it was amazing especially when the West was in the Dark Ages, Asian civilizations were thriving with new inventions and making contributions to mankind," Deepak remarked, noting that for much of the period before the 18th century, China and India collectively contributed more than 50 percent of the global output and wealth.

Spiritual influences, sugar and paper

China and India's contributions to human civilization can also be found in the spread of two ancient philosopher-teachers, Confucius and the Buddha.

"Confucianism is a wonderful philosophy and it talks about peace, peaceful coexistence and non-violence. These are the precepts which is common in all Asian civilizations and have become the core of the Asian value system, especially in China and East Asia which have accepted Confucian values as part of their social value system," emphasized Deepak, who has himself translated four of the major books on Confucianism.

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This combination of photos show a sculpture of Buddha (left) carved on the Longmen Grottoes in Luoyang, Henan Province, China; and the world's tallest Confucius statue in Qufu, Shandong Province, China. /Xinhua Photo

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Buddhism developed in India, but it reached China through a circuitous route through Central Asia. On the way, it absorbed many components from these regions which were incorporated by Chinese civilization, the Indian professor explained.

"The translation of Buddhist sutras was huge. For example, Indian scholar monks such as Kumarajiva, Bodhidharma, Paramartha and there were thousands others who went to China in waves after waves and engaged in the translation of sutras," Deepak said.

"This is a wonderful example of how the first translation industry by way of exchanging ideas, exchanging various things related to the civilizational dialogue, flourished in China and in fact innovated into a different product which was totally different from the Indian Buddhism, which is now known as Chinese Buddhism," he remarked.

Stating that there were innumerable examples of how ideas and knowledge traveled between China and India in ancient times, Deepak narrated an interesting anecdote of why sugar is called "cheeni" (meaning "from China") in many Indian languages.

Sugar-making technology was transferred from India to China during the Tang Dynasty. China improved the process further and exported the new variety of sugar back to India, where it came to be known as "cheeni," he explained.

The professor of China studies cited the trade of paper as another example of civilizational dialogue. "It was discovered in China from where it was disseminated into India and to various Central Asian republics, and then from Central Asian polities to Europe."

Imprints of cultural exchange

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A panel of inscriptions of Hindu deity Narasimha adorns the entrance of the main shrine inside a temple in Quanzhou in China's Fujian Province. The inscriptions are believed to have been installed by Tamil traders who lived in Quanzhou in the 13th century. /Photo via Ananth Krishnan

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Both civilizations can be found through different parts of Asia. Even today, some of the myths and stories from India's epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata, are still performed in countries like Thailand, Indonesia, and Cambodia.

In mainland China, remains of Indian civilization, especially the temple culture, have been discovered in Fujian Province, Yunnan Province and in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, Deepak said.

"The civilizational dialogue that we have been talking about can be found all the way, wherever we find the traces of the Silk Route, whether it is the Central Asian Silk Route or the Southern Silk Route, originating from Sichuan and then entering Myanmar and extending to India, or the Maritime Silk Route. So, you'll find the imprints of this exchange very much alive even today," he elaborated.

Lauding Chinese President Xi Jinping's call for building a community with a shared future for mankind, the Indian Sinologist said: "President Xi's vision is extremely relevant and very timely as far as the resurgence of Asian civilization is concerned. Also, this has coincided with the shift in gravity from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Asian civilizations should seize this opportunity and realize the community of shared future."

Author: Abhishek G Bhaya

Video Source: CCTV 4

Planning: Wang Naiqian

Video editors: Wang Baozhu, Chen Shuxun

Animator: Pan Yufei

Producer: Wen Yaru

Chief editor: Ling Dongwei

Supervisor: Pang Xinhua

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This article is stupid, Confucianism never taught about peace. If it was, there would have never been any wars since Confucianism became widespread.

Rather, It's all about conforming to social norms n moralistic principles such as fillial piety and respecting one's teachers- aka hoe one should behave according to his role(age, sex, status, etc)
 
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Here again deperate bhartis taking a ride on Pakistani...COugh Cough....I mean history...shameless bunch.

There never was an India until the Brits created it.

India is artificial creation of their British masters. Even their name is given to them by British masters who bored it from modern day Pakistani province of Sindh, just like these British masters gave india their language and other things. India was created to work for western interests and serve as a guard against China and Middle East. Middle East could'nt rise which make their work even easier as they only have to guard the west from China.
 
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Here again deperate bhartis taking a ride on Pakistani...COugh Cough....I mean history...shameless bunch.



India is artificial creation of their British masters. Even their name is given to them by British masters who bored it from modern day Pakistani province of Sindh, just like these British masters gave india their language and other things. India was created to work for western interests and serve as a guard against China and Middle East. Middle East could'nt rise which make their work even easier as they only have to guard the west from China.
Even the word Hindu was a Persian pronounciation of Sindh.
 
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The Indus valley people were not your typical hindu or even indo-aryans ,they were totally different breed of ancient civilization that arrived from westward.
The current Indians shouldn't claim Indus Valley Civilization as their's.

Since Bhirrana, on the Sarasvati River, has been found to be oldest Harappan site, There is now no such thing as the Indus Civilization, what we have now is the Sarasvati Civilization. And what remains to be done is renaming of Indus script as Sarasvati script.

The iconography from the this civilization is common from Haryana to Harappa to Lothal (Ahmedabad) and Dholavira.

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Similar examples are the statues of Yakshi's found in Harappa which is similar to Mauryan art.

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Another example is the "mast of the animals" symbol that is found from Mohanjodaro and right up to Konkan.

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Only the The Konkan Petroglyphs 12,000 Years old.

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India as a term was originally a Persian reference, referring to the Indus valley civilisation/Sindh. The Greeks and Persians referred to a specific geographic area, not the modern entity of India. the India you bang on about was composed of gangs of elephant riders who fought each other as well as traded and engaged in scientific and philosophical and artistic projects to their credit. But none of that takes away from the fact that the Mughals were the first to unite India under an iron fist and give rise to what you now know as India the union of Hindu states. It must bother you a lot that the Mughals and British delivered and midwifed your nation. My advice is, take a leaf out of westerners' books. They are proud of their multi-influence heritage. Vikings were pagans and brutally raped and pillaged Britain, but English people are over this and take pride in their Viking, Norman and Roman influences, of various religions and ethnicities, yet bhakts still can't accept that Mughals made their nation strong in many ways.

Yes, I can see that you are desperate to share the glory.

Thanks , but no thanks. I have no intention of crediting the barbarians who ruined my civilization with any credit other that what they richly deserve.

Just for the record, these are some of the 18 great universities that existed in ancient India. THIS is what they look after the islamic invasion.

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British gained a foothold in Bengal where Islamic atrocities were at its peak. Parents selling children to pay taxes, parents castrating their own kids to offer as enuchs to the king etc.

Lol, typical Indian history revisionism.

Bengal had a far better economy than rest of the subcontinent during Nawabi rule.

It was not the Muslims rulers rather Maratha bandits who used to pillage the villages in western Bengal while raping and killing local people under direct patronisation of Maratha Empire. Marathas are still known as 'Borgi' in Bengali.

Yes, I can see that you are desperate to share the glory.

Thanks , but no thanks. I have no intention of crediting the barbarians who ruined my civilization with any credit other that what they richly deserve.

Just for the record, these are some of the 18 great universities that existed in ancient India. THIS is what they look after the islamic invasion.

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It is well documented that contrary to popular Indian believes, most of these Buddhist Viharas where destroyed by Hindu kings like Shashanka. There are several threads on this issue in PDF.
 
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