China-India Geopolitics: News & Discussions

[StraightShooter]

First Russia and now Japan too is bowing down to mighty superpower China. Now where will poor India go to bag BHEEKH? Daddy USA? But Trump daddy is now with China too. oh poor india is now left helpless against superpower China. Now get ready to loose intire north east, because Chinese tanks will be comming.

US has always been with China as part of G2. The earlier administrations have been subtle while incumbent administration has been very overt.

All US allies are in the process of re calibrating their relations.

- France and Germany getting closer Russia
- Turkey and Qatar getting closer to Iran
- Japan and South Korea getting closer to China

 

[dy1022]

US has always been with China as part of G2. The earlier administrations have been subtle while incumbent administration has been very overt.

All US allies are in the process of re calibrating their relations.

- France and Germany getting closer Russia
- Turkey and Qatar getting closer to Iran
- Japan and South Korea getting closer to China

We should add India as G3

 

[Dark Lord Forever]

US has always been with China as part of G2. The earlier administrations have been subtle while incumbent administration has been very overt.

All US allies are in the process of re calibrating their relations.

- France and Germany getting closer Russia
- Turkey and Qatar getting closer to Iran
- Japan and South Korea getting closer to China

Good for them bad for India who will get punished from all sides.

 

[StraightShooter]

We should add India as G3

India is not in the same league as US & China. India has a long way to go before it's views are counted in the international relations. India has always been neutral and non-aligned in international disputes. Though India claims it to be a virtue but it is more to do with insignificant weight it carries. Even Pakistan has more influence than India when it comes to International relations.

Good for them bad for India who will get punished from all sides.

You get punished when you do not have strength. Might is right in International relations.

 

[nature is]

Thats an interesting thought process for sure! Japanese were particularly brutal in their war with china. The stories are - wait for it- legendary! Yet you imply that India, the land from which Buddhism spread far and wide and was the dominant religion in china for a considerable period of time, the land from which two peoples shared cordial relations for more than a thousand years will be abhorred at the same level as others!
Arrogance perhaps OR effects of PDF?!

We consider china as a threat we don't really hate china. On the other hand, we don't consider pakistan as a threat, they are a subject of our contempt. You by the way are welcome to develop enmity with us, if you are so keen.

Japanese were brutal against anyone during WW2, they used Indian POWs as live target, even cannibalized those poor Indians . It's not a legend, it's real history. Do you find irony that Indians are cozying up the people who devour them?

Well, life is full of irony. As part of Confucian culture sphere, Chinese share much in similarity with Japanese than any ethnic from Indian subcontinent. Culture means way of life, how you live, how you write..... Religion is just a subset of culture. China and India had little contact due to the Himalayas, Buddhism was spread by Central Asians thru Silk Road. And Chinese Buddhism is a mix of Taoism and Buddhism, it wasn't the dormant religion, Chinese are mostly irreligious Confucian followers that worship ancestor.

It's not our arrogance, but your own ignorance.


You may not consider China a threat, but India media and many Indians nicknamed Agni missile as China Killer.

 

[sinait]

Its funny how distaste for others can colour ones perspective.
What was Lord Buddh's name prior to his attaining bodhisatva, i.e. before he became Buddh.
Ans. His name was Siddharth. A hindu prince. Siddharth is a name still common amongst hindus. His name was not xi or ching.
What was his mother's name?
Ans. Maya. Women are still named maya in our hindu culture.
Where was he born?
Lumbini. Modern day Nepal

The lumbini, a place you so hopefully quote is still inhabited by Hindus. Nepal not so long ago was a Hindu country, before the constitution was modified to grant it a secular status.
In ancient times, when there was only hinduism in Indian peninsula and islam and christianity in west and Europe respectively, Hindus inhabited the land which gave birth to Lord Buddh.
As times changed, the land got divided amongst princes and races mixed up and inhabited various places.

You, the chinese dig out thousand years old maps and take pride in your chinese heritage and even lay claims to territories just because a small time bandit ruled it for some time; and at the same time not even blink linking the buddh and buddhism to Nepal in an effort to delink it from Hindus and India.

Yes there was no India 2500 years ago. There was Bharat (Bharatvarsh) named after prince Bharat. The Indian name, just like there was no china 2500 years ago only Zhonghua.

Your ignorance can be treated not your antipathy. At least be honest with something you could relate to for a majority of your existence. Just because Lord Buddh was Hindu before he created a different sect or came from India does not diminish his greatness. Neither does it diminish the greatness of the land from which he came from.

The ignorant calling others ignorant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha
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No written records about Gautama were found from his lifetime or some centuries thereafter. One Edict of Asoka, who reigned from circa 269 BCE to 232 BCE, commemorates the Emperor's pilgrimage to the Buddha's birthplace in Lumbini.
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What you have as facts are stories as told by the Indians as Shakya was invaded and their inhabitants massacred.
The country you call China had always been to the Chinese 中国 (Zhongguo) since ancient times. Just like the Indians call their country Bharat in Hindi, difference being the "India" is in your constitution and given to you by your Masters.
China has been an entity since ancient times, hence its claim to be the longest surviving civilization, whereas India is created by the British who colonized and enslaved its people.
Chinese ancient records are backed by written facts, unlike the fabricated stories and hearsay of the Indians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_of_the_Grand_Historian

The land that the Buddha comes from is Lumbini, Nepal.
The Buddha is great, just don't try to rub it off on the Bharats.
Ancient Shakya are now inhabited by the people who had massacred the Buddha's people, so nothing great about the people presently there as well.
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[StraightShooter]

There is no India or Hinduism 2500 years ago. The Buddha is said to be a Shakyan, born in Lumbini, inside modern day Nepal. We don't know who are the people populating the area the Buddha attained Enlightenment. Most probably they are East Asian or Tibeto-Burman as Buddhism is largely practiced by these people.
Buddhism spread from Lumbini, inside modern day Nepal, by a Shakyan, the race of the Buddha.
Unfortunately Shakya was invaded and its inhabitants massacred.
Shakya is not India, so kindly refrain from stating the BS that Buddhism spread from India or from Indians.
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You are just playing with words. At the end of the day Shivism, Vaishnavism, Buddhism & Jainism all are Vedic schools of thought which originated in the regions of the Indian Subcontinent (South Asia) not in the Chinese Kingdoms (East Asia).

If you say India as country did not exist when Buddhism spread to various countries (~266 BC), tell me where was China or Nepal or Pakistan as countries during that time?

Around 1000 BC Vedic rishis had started to elaborate the Vedas in the form of Upanishads as they felt that the core message of Vedas was being lost with misinterpretation due to passage of time. 100s of such Upanishads were written before the advent of Jainism and Buddhism. Around 600 BC Jainism and Buddhism took this message forward making these two Vedic philosophies atheistic in nature while Shiva & Vaishnava Vedic philosophies continued to remained theistic in nature. Around 700 AD Adi Shankaracharya debated, convinced and preached for the unity of various Vedic schools of thought and brought most of Buddhists, Jains, Shivites & Vaishnavites of Indian Subcontinent under the umbrella of modern day Hinduism to withstand the treat from Islamic school of thought being imposed by the Islamic invaders from the west.

Buddhism which was spread by Ashoka to Sri Lanka, South East Asia and East Asia continued to be followed while Buddhism merged into Hinduism in India.

Buddhism stands for peace, nonviolence and avoiding killing of living things. This is fully practiced by the modern day Hindus. This is how we treat our animals. How do Chinese treat the animals?

 

[StraightShooter]

 

[sinait]

You are just playing with words. At the end of the day Shivism, Vaishnavism, Buddhism & Jainism all are Vedic schools of thought which originated in the regions of the Indian Subcontinent (South Asia) not in the Chinese Kingdoms (East Asia).

If you say India as country did not exist when Buddhism spread to various countries (~266 BC), tell me where was China or Nepal or Pakistan as countries during that time?

Spare me your nonsense and more of your Vedic hearsay.
In China, they have written records of Confucius, not Vedic hearsay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius
" Born 28 September 551 BC Zhou, Lu state (now Nanxinzhen, Qufu, Shandong, China)
Confucius's descendants were repeatedly identified and honored by successive imperial governments with titles of nobility and official posts.
"
中国 exist since the Qin Dynasty or earlier.
For more on history of China, best to direct you inquiry to Chinese members.

Yes, I know Indians treat the cows better than humans.
Its in the news how they kill humans repeatedly because of the cows.
I am agnostic, not interested in Vedic BS.

Ancient Shakya was invaded and its inhabitants and the Buddha's people massacred. Those presently living there are the descendants of these murderers of the Buddha's people.
Buddhism is not from India or Indians, period.

One fact for you. One of Hinduism most revered god, Lord Shiva, is from Mt Kailash, China.
Tibet only became part of ancient China during the Yuan Dynasty, but if we use Vedic Logic, then Hinduism spread from China to India.
I apologize to Hindu members who may be annoyed by the facts that I will reveal, I will stop here.
It is despicable how some people try to usurp the credit for Buddhism.
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[nature is]

You are just playing with words. At the end of the day Shivism, Vaishnavism, Buddhism & Jainism all are Vedic schools of thought which originated in the regions of the Indian Subcontinent (South Asia) not in the Chinese Kingdoms (East Asia).

If you say India as country did not exist when Buddhism spread to various countries (~266 BC), tell me where was China or Nepal or Pakistan as countries during that time?

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Around 1000 BC Vedic rishis had started to elaborate the Vedas in the form of Upanishads as they felt that the core message of Vedas was being lost with misinterpretation due to passage of time. 100s of such Upanishads were written before the advent of Jainism and Buddhism. Around 600 BC Jainism and Buddhism took this message forward making these two Vedic philosophies atheistic in nature while Shiva & Vaishnava Vedic philosophies continued to remained theistic in nature. Around 700 AD Adi Shankaracharya debated, convinced and preached for the unity of various Vedic schools of thought and brought most of Buddhists, Jains, Shivites & Vaishnavites of Indian Subcontinent under the umbrella of modern day Hinduism to withstand the treat from Islamic school of thought being imposed by the Islamic invaders from the west.

Buddhism which was spread by Ashoka to Sri Lanka, South East Asia and East Asia continued to be followed while Buddhism merged into Hinduism in India.

Buddhism stands for peace, nonviolence and killing of living things. This is fully practiced by the modern day Hindus. This is how we treat our animals. How do Chinese treat the animals?

Shivism, Vaishnavism, Buddhism & Jainism are all spin-off religions from Vedic. Hindu gods are not the same as Vedic gods, and Buddhism has no concept of god. Buddhism is anti-thesis to Hindu Brahmanism and caste system.

China became a unified state in 221 BC after Qin and Han dynasty, and remained a single political entity throughout much of history. To this day, we call ourselves Han Chinese. Muarya empire only lasted 100 years thereabout, for the next 2000 years, there was not a single political entity until British came. People didn't even call yourselves Indian before British named it British India.

Social Background of Indian Nationalism. A.R. Desai




http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/main_pop/kpct/kp_qinhan.htm

• The Qin (221- 206 BCE) and subsequent Han (202 BCE- 220 CE) dynasties unify China and establish a centralized empire, which endures and evolves down through 20th century. The imperial structure draws on elements of both Legalist and Confucian thought. (Note: the Western word for “China” probably comes from the Romanized spelling of Qin, which is pronounced and also spelled “Ch’in,” while the Chinese refer to themselves as “the people of Han.”)

 

[Exquisite.Stranger]

China-Japan reset? After what Japan did to China in the second world war? India and Pakistan are mortal enemies, still we can never imagine of committing a tenth of the sick depravity that the Japanese unleashed on you. That was worse than what the scumbag Nazis did to Jews. No matter how prosperous one grows, one never forgets that kind of darkness. And here you are, Chinese, not only willing to let it go, but also capitalize upon it... shameless. Even crooks draw some line. What about you?

 

[AndrewJin]

india is not important in any international event......

Shivism, Vaishnavism, Buddhism & Jainism are all spin-off religions from Vedic. Hindu gods are not the same as Vedic gods, and Buddhism has no concept of god. Buddhism is anti-thesis to Hindu Brahmanism and caste system.

China became a unified state in 221 BC after Qin and Han dynasty, and remained a single political entity throughout much of history. To this day, we call ourselves Han Chinese. Muarya empire only lasted 100 years thereabout, for the next 2000 years, there was not a single political entity until British came. People didn't even call yourselves Indian before British named it British India.
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Social Background of Indian Nationalism. A.R. Desai




http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/main_pop/kpct/kp_qinhan.htm

• The Qin (221- 206 BCE) and subsequent Han (202 BCE- 220 CE) dynasties unify China and establish a centralized empire, which endures and evolves down through 20th century. The imperial structure draws on elements of both Legalist and Confucian thought. (Note: the Western word for “China” probably comes from the Romanized spelling of Qin, which is pronounced and also spelled “Ch’in,” while the Chinese refer to themselves as “the people of Han.”)

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Thanks to british colonists, numerous kingdoms finally were forced to become one country....
Their nationalism came from british colonialism.

 

[StraightShooter]

Spare me your nonsense and more of your Vedic hearsay.
In China, they have written records of Confucius, not Vedic hearsay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius
" Born 28 September 551 BC Zhou, Lu state (now Nanxinzhen, Qufu, Shandong, China)
Confucius's descendants were repeatedly identified and honored by successive imperial governments with titles of nobility and official posts.
"
中国 exist since the Qin Dynasty or earlier.
For more on history of China, best to direct you inquiry to Chinese members.

Yes, I know Indians treat the cows better than humans.
Its in the news how they kill humans repeatedly because of the cows.
I am agnostic, not interested in Vedic BS.

Ancient Shakya was invaded and its inhabitants and the Buddha's people massacred. Those presently living there are the descendants of these murderers of the Buddha's people.
Buddhism is not from India or Indians, period.

One fact for you. One of Hinduism most revered god, Lord Shiva, is from Mt Kailash, China.
Tibet only became part of ancient China during the Yuan Dynasty, but if we use Vedic Logic, then Hinduism spread from China to India.
I apologize to Hindu members who may be annoyed by the facts that I will reveal, I will stop here.
It is despicable how some people try to usurp the credit for Buddhism.
.

I never claimed Confucianism originated from the Indian Subcontinent. I do not even understand what you are trying to say. Seems like you are totally confused.

Yes. Mount Kailash is the abode of lord Shiva. Why do you think India had a problem with China usurping Tibet?

The hard fact is Buddhism originated and practiced in India in its unadulterated form in both letter and spirit. I do not need lectures on Buddhism from people like you who kill and eat every living thing on the planet. Buddha would be turning in his grave.

 

[MultaniGuy]

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2017/06/09/india-should-expect-a-china-japan-reset/

The Modi government, which began its diplomatic activities three years ago by eulogizing the prospect of an Asian Century, has lost the plot. The Asian Century is forging ahead for sure, but sans India. Japan, which was regarded by PM Modi as India’s ideal partner in the Asian Century, is seeking a collaborative partnership with China. This is the indication available from a major international conference hosted in Tokyo on June 5-6 under the rubric ‘Future of Asia’.

The theme of the conference was “Globalism at a crossroads: Asia’s next move” and the sub-plot that inevitably took the centre-stage of the demi-official event was all about Japan and China setting aside their historical distrust and current rivalry to lead Asia in tandem towards greater integration. In his keynote speech at the conference, Singapore’s powerful Emeritus Senior Minister, Goh Chok Tong urged: “If Japan-China relations can move towards greater trust and cooperation, there will be a mutually-reinforcing effect on the other key bilateral relationships in the region.”

Goh said there is a need to build greater interdependence among Asian countries and China and Japan should take the lead as Asia’s top two economies. Interestingly, Goh lauded the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) and China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) as fine examples of how Asia can build interdependence, champion free trade and further the integration process.
India did not figure in Goh’s road map, since TPP excludes India, while India is a reluctant participant in the RCEP (unlike the rest of Asia which is raring to go) and India outright boycotted the BRI forum in Beijing last month. However, it was the inaugural address at the Tokyo meet on Monday by the Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe that should make Delhi sit up.

Abe announced that Japan is ready to cooperate with China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which he lauded for its “potential to connect East and West as well as the diverse regions found in between.” Abe spelt out certain conditions – OBOR should be in harmony with “a free and fair Trans-Pacific economic zone”; infrastructure development should be based on procurement that is transparent and fair; projects should be economically viable and should not harm the debtor nations’ finances. But he made it clear that Tokyo is “ready to extend cooperation.”

The Japan-China relations seem to be heading for a makeover. A new momentum has been steadily building up in the recent weeks. For a start, Toshihiro Nikai, secretary-general of Abe’s Liberal Democratic Party who is known for his pro-China stance, attended the BRI forum in Beijing last month and was received by President Xi Jinping. Xinhua reported that Xi took note that Japan has “clearly affirmed the (Belt and Road) initiative”. (Nikai handed over a “personal letter” from Abe.) A fortnight later, China’s State Councillor Yang Jiechi visited Tokyo and met Abe to follow up on the “important guiding opinions on Sino-Japanese relationship” that Xi had earlier conveyed through Nikai.
All in all, Beijing has been quick on its feet to warmly respond to Abe’s path-breaking speech in Tokyo on Monday. The Foreign Ministry spokesperson said:

• We have noted the statement by Prime Minister Abe. In the course of developing the Belt and Road, China is committed to establishing a set of fair, reasonable and transparent rules for international trade and investment together with countries along the routes… The Belt and Road is an important international public goods, and an open and inclusive development platform, creating benefits for countries around the world including Japan. All parties are equal in terms of participating in, contributing to and benefiting from the Belt and Road. We believe that this initiative can serve as a new platform and test field for mutually beneficial cooperation and common development of China and Japan, and welcome Japan’s discussion with us on conducting cooperation within the Belt and Road framework… Chinese side attaches importance to and stands ready to improve its relationship with Japan… We have noted the remarks of Japan and hope that the Japanese side can translate their remarks and wishes about improving relations with China into concrete policies and actions.

Clearly, Japan realizes that China finds itself in a stronger position today as compared to the period prior to the victory of Donald Trump as US president. On the other hand, China too assesses that its lead role in globalization and free trade invest in it a special responsibility to be accommodative and to explore a constructive engagement with Japan. Of course, Japan’s rethink on OBOR factors in the US intention to join the China-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, the participation of a senior White House official in the BRI forum meet in Beijing last month, and the follow-up by the American embassy in Beijing to constitute a “working group” to discuss BRI.

Curiously, Japan’s scepticism over the BRI is similar to India’s but its approach is radically different. Abe did the right thing by deputing Nikai as his special envoy to attend the BRI forum meet with the expectation that he could build on the overture – potentially leading to a summit meeting with Xi. As things stand, a Sino-Japanese summit seems to be within the realms of possibility. Whereas, India turned down the Chinese invitation. If for Delhi, the boycott of the Beijing meet highlighted its “muscular diplomacy”, Tokyo was pragmatic and kept in view the “big picture” of the imperatives of a reset of ties with China.


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Who could have seen this coming, even two years ago? For us India has fast become our most critical and abhorrent rival, perhaps on par with the US. It has overtaken Japan on our levels of antipathy - now we regard Japan as like Australia, a country whose politics are venal and base, and whom we should keep at arms length, but whom we can nonetheless do business with.

I think the reverse is true for Indians too, that Pakistan has become a sideshow and China has become the main target.

I do not see any reset between China and Japan.

Both countries are enemies.

 

[StraightShooter]

Shivism, Vaishnavism, Buddhism & Jainism are all spin-off religions from Vedic. Hindu gods are not the same as Vedic gods, and Buddhism has no concept of god. Buddhism is anti-thesis to Hindu Brahmanism and caste system.

China became a unified state in 221 BC after Qin and Han dynasty, and remained a single political entity throughout much of history. To this day, we call ourselves Han Chinese. Muarya empire only lasted 100 years thereabout, for the next 2000 years, there was not a single political entity until British came. People didn't even call yourselves Indian before British named it British India.
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Social Background of Indian Nationalism. A.R. Desai




http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/main_pop/kpct/kp_qinhan.htm

• The Qin (221- 206 BCE) and subsequent Han (202 BCE- 220 CE) dynasties unify China and establish a centralized empire, which endures and evolves down through 20th century. The imperial structure draws on elements of both Legalist and Confucian thought. (Note: the Western word for “China” probably comes from the Romanized spelling of Qin, which is pronounced and also spelled “Ch’in,” while the Chinese refer to themselves as “the people of Han.”)

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You do not understand Vedic philosophy. We keep adding gods as we get new avataars of gods. That does not mean we do not worship the earlier gods. We still worship all gods starting from gods mentioned in Rig Veda.

If we were one kingdom or ten kingdoms does not matter. We were the same people who followed Vedic schools of thought for millennia after millennia.

I myself mentioned that Buddhism is atheistic. Hinduism is not a single school of thought hence you are getting confused.