Incorrect statement you need not know what is ASR requirement (even if you know) to come to the conclusion I came to. I claimed the need for more thrust is determined by ASR which determines which engine was to be chosen, F2J3 was available at that point of time which can be installed in light bird thus was chosen and within some years order for IN20's was placed because it is the ASR thrust requirement that developers has to match not the vice-versa. Answer me these why would Kaveris FOC would need it to have 20000 lb+ instead of what it has achieved by now (verificable by MOD report), If Kaveri need that much thrust to made it feasible/redeem to install in LCA, and if F2J3 thrust being inadequate to meet the needs propells HAL to order for further developement of a IN20 variant, what does it says about the required ASR needs eh?
Thus your analogy between delivering less thrust and design and being a small bird has no grounds but requirement of thrust has grounds with ASR.
Read these points again,
1. Kaveri was to power LCA delivering in excess of 20000+ lb's of thrust, less was not the 'design goal of the same' and same to match the ASR, refer to any open source articles on kaveri regarding this in Frontier India or Desidoc magazines.
2. When it was known that to certify and qualify LCA with Kaveri will delay the LCA project (right from 90's) A foreign engine was chosen, that day only two engines was available to power LCA for a easy re-trofit with kaveri later, either the RM12 or the F2J3, RM12 has Volvo exclusive IP's and wont be sold without Gripen, only F2J3 was opted for to speed up flight certification process even it did not met full thrust requirements (verificable from the requirement of Kaveri's final requirement) and verificable from the FACT that IN20 developement cost was born by HAL and it was HAL's need that made GE further develope the F2J3 to match the extra need in thrust.
3. IN20's are not installed yet.
I can provide more but lets call it end for now.
Alas! none of the what you said regarding thrust is VERIFICABLE, The simple conclusion we can come to is wait till IN20 gets installed as it is clearly EVIDENT from Kaveris Thrust Goals, TO money PAID by ADA to increase thrust of F2J3 to IN20 standards PROVES the need of more thrust was a requirement by ASR/design requirement and not by myth or fiction.
The definition of more knowledgable than one can be seen from the posts, knowledge is nothing but using strong common sense which you have not displayed so far, your analogy of one has to provide the ASR to put forward his credibility does not ruins the fact you were BS'ing all over from the first page which has been proven wrong without the ASR.
You should yourself see in the mirror on what you stated here is what I claimed, And I have already clarified my points above that applies to the same.
Again see above I have clarified the points.
I'm not hedging my bets on IN20 but I'm speculating (Read my last part : its matter of speculation. ) that IF even IN20 gives short thrust due to its non-flat-rated nature (speculation again: specially when PD mentioned IN20 will see through FOC/IOC) Kaveri is there to do the job because the thrust of it will already exceed the design intent (refer to FrontierIndia article on the same).
Regarding Installed thrust and Engine Thrust again refer to what I said above, the thrust of IN20 engines was NEEDED right from first. No reports clarifies that the INSTALLED thrust by F2J3 will see it through IOC/FOC but states the THRUST (INSTALLED OR ENGINE) of IN20 engines wre needed to see through FOC/IOC.
If the very ENGINE thrust of F2J3 is deemed not enough to meet ASR (THUS the need of IN20), How do you expect the INSTALLED thrust of F2J3 will meet ASR? CAN YOU PROVE the gain in INSTALLED thrust of IN20 over F2J3 will NOT be deemed enough to MEET ASR (WHEN IN20 ENGINE THRUST REQUIREMENT WAS LAID OUT BY ADA OVER F2J3) and CAN you PROVE by any means that the INSTALLED thrust of IN20 WILL be less?
The reason I said stop shouting with useless debacles and wait and see what happens or wait till what unfurls next.
See, I mentioned in my previos post, we can discuss India's aerospace prowess "when LCA get IOC or after 15 years" which ever is earliest. You and I seem to agree here ATLEASTTill then LCA is myth not fact, OK?
Yes time will tell that, however Aerospace prowess regardless of LCA can be discussed and has been discussed and has been reasonably discussed with whom it matterred the need to be discussed.
None of which applies for LCA, Can you bring some proper English in the table please?
Gramatically and philologically it can be agreed with you that IOC/FOC of LCA is NOT a REALITY YET but a MATTER OF SPECULATION (read speculation again), so is your timeline so stop speculating will ya? I have told you time and again chaps like you will shine like a rocket where your denial and repetitive statements will be taken for granted but will just like a rocket will go away flyingng things in international foras based on logic and not fiction. So far I HAVE NOT TALKED anything on what CAN happen but what HAS happen and what IS TO happen. Any further points is matter of speculation which you are doing all along.
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