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And you call this nasty game "democracy"?
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Sure, we like to see Taiwan is turning into a daily circus, it is none of our business.
We only want to maintain the status quo.
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Taiwan's internal affairs is not really of China's concern.
What China cares about is geopolitics, which is why Taiwan is important for China. That's China's red line.
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As for HK and Taiwan, there is nothing we can do about to involve into their internal affair.
They can keep playing in the circus, and in one day, there is no more money and they got really tired, then come back to see China and tell us if they want to keep playing the democrazy game in their little circus or they want to live like the rest of China.
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Clowns in circus to be precisely.
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Hmm I think China has a lot tighter rein over HK than Taiwan through the Basic Law because HK cannot have its own Chief Executive without CCP's approval, yes approval.
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Failure of Hong Kong version of 'Color Revolution' would be a bliss
By Dr. Chen Xulong, Director and Senior Research Fellow of Department for International and Strategic Studies, China Institute of International Studies
The central authorities were able to quick label the “Occupy Central” campaign as “Hong Kong version of Color Revolution” because they have identified much resemblance it bears to the “color revolutions” in other parts of the world.
Zhang Xiaoming, director of the Liaison Office off the Central People’s Government in the Hong Kong S.A.R., noted that the nature of the “Occupy Central” campaign is defined by how it has mimicked the ways “color revolutions” were staged - extreme street protests, blockage of government compounds and roads and demands for Hong Kong SAR officials to resign.
With the development of this event and the exposure of the inside story of the plot, more and more people, realizing the involvement of internal and external opposing forces into the campaign, are convinced that this campaign serves as Color Revolution with Hong Kong characteristics, which poses threat to stability, solidarity and prosperity in Hong Kong.
The so-called Color Revolution refers to, originally, the revolution confined to the former Soviet Union which aimed to overthrow the regime established after the disintegration of the Soviet Union and led by its influential people, and to establish a non-Russia influence, Western values-oriented and more pro-Western regime. Afterwards, the conception of “Color Revolution” developed into a wider one: the US and European countries support the “regime change” designed to overthrow the traditional regime in some countries and establish, based on the Western values, another pro-America regime, such revolution like the political unrest in Middle East and North Africa (namely the so-called Arab Spring). In the contemporary world politics, “Color Revolution” has become notorious for its odious nature and great damage and has caused a high degree of vigilance and precaution in many countries.
[This paragraph is extremely important, TS]
By penetrating the Color Revolution incited by the west in the past decades, we can drew that the west has formed a set of operating system in terms of stirring up “Color Revolution”. The consistent tricks to be applied in provoking such kind of revolution has been revealed: generally, it is the strategic decision makers of the US who first designate the countries and areas bounding up with its national security and interests, then, those countries and areas would be sorted based on their degree of threat and importance. Whereafter, the west would pointedly determine a specific country or an area and take the advantage of the its local anti-government forces to launch a serious of political activities which aim to overturn the existing regime under color of democratization and by means of human rights struggles. The CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) takes charge of secrete plots and guidance behind the scenes, and deals with the flow of human resource and funds. The relative non-governmental organizations are responsible for supporting and assisting the local pro-America and anti-government forces. The means used include overseas broadcasting station and network propaganda, founding printed journal in local areas and extending their power in the form of religious organizations, cultural community and forum, they also establish training institutions to train activists while widely issuing the so-called “democracy” guidebooks and leading local people to organize street politics and anti-government activities.
Throughout the history, it is believed that color revolutions in distinct locations have been staged in different versions according to varied periods of their occurrence. Versions that has been recorded in history are as follows: in 1989, the “Velvet Revolution” broke out in Czechoslovakia. In 2000, Milosevic, president of Yugoslav, was ousted by the opposition and ended up being in jails. Georgia’s “Rose Revolution”, Ukraine’s “Orange Revolution” and Kyrgyz’s “Tulip Revolution” happened in 2003, 2004, 2005 respectively. In 2007, “Saffron Revolution” was piloted in Burma but failed. Attempted Color Revolution, so-called "Twitter Revolution", occurred in Moldova and Iran in 2009. In 2011, Tunisia's "Jasmine Revolution" brought out the "Arab Spring". In spring this year, “Secondary Color Revolution” occurred in Ukrainian.
History repeatedly shows that when Color Revolution approaches, brutal political struggle will be staged while peace and tranquility will be gone, development and prosperity will be fled. Color revolution leads some countries to split up, some regimes collapse, some politicians die, and some countries enmesh in turmoil, conflict, ethnic and religious conflicts. Besides, it also incurs economic slump, social disorder, the rise of extremist violence. Ultimately it is the innocent people that are apt to be suffering.
Color Revolution has never been simple, but it has to gain the help and support of pure and passionate youth (especially university students), taking advantage of their patriotic enthusiasm and pursuit of justice. Many good and innocent participants involved in Color Revolution eventually become pawns or even victims.
We need to draw lessons from these pernicious facts. Due to Color Revolution, the "Arab Spring" transforms into the "Arab Winter”, the war flames and national crisis spread in Ukraine. People should have sufficient knowledge and profound alert on symptoms and hazards of various versions of the color revolutions.
Hong Kong’s “Umbrella Revolution”, the new version of the Color Revolution, which has lasted for more than three weeks, is diminishing Hong Kong’s democracy in the name of seeking democracy, and has harmed the basic principle of “One Country, Two Systems” and threatened the stability requirement of the “silent majority” of Hong Kong. So, the illegal and unwelcome movement is doomed to be a failure, and which would be a bliss to the ordinary people in Hong Kong, to the social stability and economic prosperity of Hong Kong, and to the continuing implementation of the Basic Law.
Why is America so obsessed with 'Color Revolution'?
Hong Kong’s illegal Occupy Central movement has become the focus of public opinion in the US, with some US forces striving to add fuel to Occupy.
According to foreign media, months ago a responsible person of National Endowment for Democracy (NED), met “the soul person” in “Occupy Central” to discuss the relevant affairs. The responsible person, named Louisa Greve, is the deputy Chairman of NED for Asian and West Asian-North African affairs. For many years, there have been frequent reports about her connections with Tibetan separatists, East Turkistan Islamists and Democratic Movement Activists; she has also hosted or participated in activities such as symposiums on Arab Spring and color revolutions in other areas. As always, the US side denies its involvement in and manipulation of Occupy Central, just like it never admit its manipulation of other anti-Chinese forces. Those involved have cloaked themselves in the guise of “democracy, freedom and human rights” to justify their behavior.
NGOs and think-tanks in America pour lots of energy into the Occupy Central campaign and offer suggestions. In her essay How the Hong Kong Protesters Can Win, by Maria J. Stephan, senior research fellow in United States Institute of Peace and distinguished research fellow in Atlantic Council, proposed strategies for Occupy with the so-called research data of “non-violent, non-cooperation movements” for a century, especially lessons drawn from “civil disobedience” in a dozen of countries. This essay doesn’t discuss whether Occupy is advocated by the majority of Hong Kong people, nor the negative impact of Occupy on Hong Kong’s politics, economy and society. It merely focuses on how to achieve Hong Kong protestors’ aim —“democracy”.
Mainstream US media displays unusual interest in Occupy Central, with many compliments for Occupy Central in reports and reviews about it. Media organizations all arbitrarily use the word “pro-democracy” when determining the nature of Occupy Central and repeatedly call it “Umbrella Revolution”, taking Occupy Central as a copy of color revolutions in other areas. AP’s report on Occupy Central is titled Umbrella Revolution Spreads in Hong Kong; “Umbrella Revolution” appears on the cover of Time’s Asia Edition; on Wall Street Journal, an article says the Hong Kong people “finally see that they can only get democracy by fighting for it”.
The US government stays involved, too. Let alone the fact that NGO organizations such as NED directly use the fund for “democracy and human rights” provided by US government, spokesmen and officials in the White House and the State Council, and diplomats in Hong Kong have all declared several times their “moral” support for Occupy Central. In an open letter, three American former counselors in HK described the chief executive nominating committee system in HK as “democracy in retreat”, worsening the confusing situation HK government faced.
Although the US has denied it, the treatment of the Occupy Central by the US government, NGOs and public opinion, and their involvement in this issue remind us of the US’s role in various color revolutions in areas such as the Commonwealth of the Independent States, the Middle East, North Africa. America always enjoys pushing forward “Color Revolution” in some countries. Seemingly, it is practicing the “universal value” of “democracy, freedom and human rights”, and a number of Americans and NGOs believe they have the “entitled duty” to “deliver all living creatures from torment”. But if we look at the consequences of Color Revolution, we find that the US, with a focus on its own strategic interests, is using revolutions to destroy the disobedient regimes it dislikes. In US logic, “democratic” countries and regimes accord with its interests.
America’s Greater Middle East Plan has failed; the Arab Spring has become the Arab Winter; street politics in Ukraine has led to national separation and bloodshed. What these countries experienced is turmoil, not true democracy. But the US turns a blind eye to these lessons.
With advocates all over the world, including in Hong Kong, the US sometimes benefits from interfering with domestic affairs of other countries. But on the issue of Hong Kong, the US faces not only China’s consistent strategy of maintaining Hong Kong’s stability and prosperity, but the mainstream opinion in Hong Kong. What the US has done is lift a rock only to drop it on its own feet.
By Dr. Chen Xulong, Director and Senior Research Fellow of Department for International and Strategic Studies, China Institute of International Studies
The central authorities were able to quick label the “Occupy Central” campaign as “Hong Kong version of Color Revolution” because they have identified much resemblance it bears to the “color revolutions” in other parts of the world.
Zhang Xiaoming, director of the Liaison Office off the Central People’s Government in the Hong Kong S.A.R., noted that the nature of the “Occupy Central” campaign is defined by how it has mimicked the ways “color revolutions” were staged - extreme street protests, blockage of government compounds and roads and demands for Hong Kong SAR officials to resign.
With the development of this event and the exposure of the inside story of the plot, more and more people, realizing the involvement of internal and external opposing forces into the campaign, are convinced that this campaign serves as Color Revolution with Hong Kong characteristics, which poses threat to stability, solidarity and prosperity in Hong Kong.
The so-called Color Revolution refers to, originally, the revolution confined to the former Soviet Union which aimed to overthrow the regime established after the disintegration of the Soviet Union and led by its influential people, and to establish a non-Russia influence, Western values-oriented and more pro-Western regime. Afterwards, the conception of “Color Revolution” developed into a wider one: the US and European countries support the “regime change” designed to overthrow the traditional regime in some countries and establish, based on the Western values, another pro-America regime, such revolution like the political unrest in Middle East and North Africa (namely the so-called Arab Spring). In the contemporary world politics, “Color Revolution” has become notorious for its odious nature and great damage and has caused a high degree of vigilance and precaution in many countries.
[This paragraph is extremely important, TS]
By penetrating the Color Revolution incited by the west in the past decades, we can drew that the west has formed a set of operating system in terms of stirring up “Color Revolution”. The consistent tricks to be applied in provoking such kind of revolution has been revealed: generally, it is the strategic decision makers of the US who first designate the countries and areas bounding up with its national security and interests, then, those countries and areas would be sorted based on their degree of threat and importance. Whereafter, the west would pointedly determine a specific country or an area and take the advantage of the its local anti-government forces to launch a serious of political activities which aim to overturn the existing regime under color of democratization and by means of human rights struggles. The CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) takes charge of secrete plots and guidance behind the scenes, and deals with the flow of human resource and funds. The relative non-governmental organizations are responsible for supporting and assisting the local pro-America and anti-government forces. The means used include overseas broadcasting station and network propaganda, founding printed journal in local areas and extending their power in the form of religious organizations, cultural community and forum, they also establish training institutions to train activists while widely issuing the so-called “democracy” guidebooks and leading local people to organize street politics and anti-government activities.
Throughout the history, it is believed that color revolutions in distinct locations have been staged in different versions according to varied periods of their occurrence. Versions that has been recorded in history are as follows: in 1989, the “Velvet Revolution” broke out in Czechoslovakia. In 2000, Milosevic, president of Yugoslav, was ousted by the opposition and ended up being in jails. Georgia’s “Rose Revolution”, Ukraine’s “Orange Revolution” and Kyrgyz’s “Tulip Revolution” happened in 2003, 2004, 2005 respectively. In 2007, “Saffron Revolution” was piloted in Burma but failed. Attempted Color Revolution, so-called "Twitter Revolution", occurred in Moldova and Iran in 2009. In 2011, Tunisia's "Jasmine Revolution" brought out the "Arab Spring". In spring this year, “Secondary Color Revolution” occurred in Ukrainian.
History repeatedly shows that when Color Revolution approaches, brutal political struggle will be staged while peace and tranquility will be gone, development and prosperity will be fled. Color revolution leads some countries to split up, some regimes collapse, some politicians die, and some countries enmesh in turmoil, conflict, ethnic and religious conflicts. Besides, it also incurs economic slump, social disorder, the rise of extremist violence. Ultimately it is the innocent people that are apt to be suffering.
Color Revolution has never been simple, but it has to gain the help and support of pure and passionate youth (especially university students), taking advantage of their patriotic enthusiasm and pursuit of justice. Many good and innocent participants involved in Color Revolution eventually become pawns or even victims.
We need to draw lessons from these pernicious facts. Due to Color Revolution, the "Arab Spring" transforms into the "Arab Winter”, the war flames and national crisis spread in Ukraine. People should have sufficient knowledge and profound alert on symptoms and hazards of various versions of the color revolutions.
Hong Kong’s “Umbrella Revolution”, the new version of the Color Revolution, which has lasted for more than three weeks, is diminishing Hong Kong’s democracy in the name of seeking democracy, and has harmed the basic principle of “One Country, Two Systems” and threatened the stability requirement of the “silent majority” of Hong Kong. So, the illegal and unwelcome movement is doomed to be a failure, and which would be a bliss to the ordinary people in Hong Kong, to the social stability and economic prosperity of Hong Kong, and to the continuing implementation of the Basic Law.
Why is America so obsessed with 'Color Revolution'?
Hong Kong’s illegal Occupy Central movement has become the focus of public opinion in the US, with some US forces striving to add fuel to Occupy.
According to foreign media, months ago a responsible person of National Endowment for Democracy (NED), met “the soul person” in “Occupy Central” to discuss the relevant affairs. The responsible person, named Louisa Greve, is the deputy Chairman of NED for Asian and West Asian-North African affairs. For many years, there have been frequent reports about her connections with Tibetan separatists, East Turkistan Islamists and Democratic Movement Activists; she has also hosted or participated in activities such as symposiums on Arab Spring and color revolutions in other areas. As always, the US side denies its involvement in and manipulation of Occupy Central, just like it never admit its manipulation of other anti-Chinese forces. Those involved have cloaked themselves in the guise of “democracy, freedom and human rights” to justify their behavior.
NGOs and think-tanks in America pour lots of energy into the Occupy Central campaign and offer suggestions. In her essay How the Hong Kong Protesters Can Win, by Maria J. Stephan, senior research fellow in United States Institute of Peace and distinguished research fellow in Atlantic Council, proposed strategies for Occupy with the so-called research data of “non-violent, non-cooperation movements” for a century, especially lessons drawn from “civil disobedience” in a dozen of countries. This essay doesn’t discuss whether Occupy is advocated by the majority of Hong Kong people, nor the negative impact of Occupy on Hong Kong’s politics, economy and society. It merely focuses on how to achieve Hong Kong protestors’ aim —“democracy”.
Mainstream US media displays unusual interest in Occupy Central, with many compliments for Occupy Central in reports and reviews about it. Media organizations all arbitrarily use the word “pro-democracy” when determining the nature of Occupy Central and repeatedly call it “Umbrella Revolution”, taking Occupy Central as a copy of color revolutions in other areas. AP’s report on Occupy Central is titled Umbrella Revolution Spreads in Hong Kong; “Umbrella Revolution” appears on the cover of Time’s Asia Edition; on Wall Street Journal, an article says the Hong Kong people “finally see that they can only get democracy by fighting for it”.
The US government stays involved, too. Let alone the fact that NGO organizations such as NED directly use the fund for “democracy and human rights” provided by US government, spokesmen and officials in the White House and the State Council, and diplomats in Hong Kong have all declared several times their “moral” support for Occupy Central. In an open letter, three American former counselors in HK described the chief executive nominating committee system in HK as “democracy in retreat”, worsening the confusing situation HK government faced.
Although the US has denied it, the treatment of the Occupy Central by the US government, NGOs and public opinion, and their involvement in this issue remind us of the US’s role in various color revolutions in areas such as the Commonwealth of the Independent States, the Middle East, North Africa. America always enjoys pushing forward “Color Revolution” in some countries. Seemingly, it is practicing the “universal value” of “democracy, freedom and human rights”, and a number of Americans and NGOs believe they have the “entitled duty” to “deliver all living creatures from torment”. But if we look at the consequences of Color Revolution, we find that the US, with a focus on its own strategic interests, is using revolutions to destroy the disobedient regimes it dislikes. In US logic, “democratic” countries and regimes accord with its interests.
America’s Greater Middle East Plan has failed; the Arab Spring has become the Arab Winter; street politics in Ukraine has led to national separation and bloodshed. What these countries experienced is turmoil, not true democracy. But the US turns a blind eye to these lessons.
With advocates all over the world, including in Hong Kong, the US sometimes benefits from interfering with domestic affairs of other countries. But on the issue of Hong Kong, the US faces not only China’s consistent strategy of maintaining Hong Kong’s stability and prosperity, but the mainstream opinion in Hong Kong. What the US has done is lift a rock only to drop it on its own feet.
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Anyone with an IQ above 50 knows these revolutions are done by the US using CIA, NGO's, private military contractors, religious organisations, cultural organisations, universities, think tanks and media.
The question is will the CPC do anything about it or will they ignore it because they are scared to anger the US?
I think the latter will be true. CPC has been getting in bed with the devil (US), and now they will suffer the consequences of that decision.
Iran is one country the US has not penetrated because Iran doesn't allow these US groups inside their country so its extremely difficult to get a revolution going and become successful as Iranian intelligence agencies are one of the best in the world. They destroy anyone trying to start a pro-US revolution and severely punish the people that started it.
This has been a complete failure of Chinese intelligence and Chinese government. That they allow these anti-China individuals and groups to operate in Chinese territory and hope nothing will happen shows how incompetent they are.
This protest movement in Hong Kong is no surprise to me. US is also behind the Tibetan self-immolations and Uighur terrorists acts. US is covertly supporting any anti-China activity in all the weak spots of China (Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, SCS, Diaoyu islands)
American government and intelligence have completely outsmarted both Russia and China.
America is playing a 21st century game and Russia and China are still stuck protecting against 20th century threats.
The question is will the CPC do anything about it or will they ignore it because they are scared to anger the US?
I think the latter will be true. CPC has been getting in bed with the devil (US), and now they will suffer the consequences of that decision.
Iran is one country the US has not penetrated because Iran doesn't allow these US groups inside their country so its extremely difficult to get a revolution going and become successful as Iranian intelligence agencies are one of the best in the world. They destroy anyone trying to start a pro-US revolution and severely punish the people that started it.
This has been a complete failure of Chinese intelligence and Chinese government. That they allow these anti-China individuals and groups to operate in Chinese territory and hope nothing will happen shows how incompetent they are.
This protest movement in Hong Kong is no surprise to me. US is also behind the Tibetan self-immolations and Uighur terrorists acts. US is covertly supporting any anti-China activity in all the weak spots of China (Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, SCS, Diaoyu islands)
American government and intelligence have completely outsmarted both Russia and China.
America is playing a 21st century game and Russia and China are still stuck protecting against 20th century threats.
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I guess the government is acutely aware of this. But, the issue has to be dealt with without scaring China's economic environment. The whole idea behind the HK protests is to destabilize China. The West/US would not care less about the daily hardships the Chinese may face in case development stalls. They do not care about the women killed according to Sharia by their Al Nusra friends in Syria; why would they care about how passionate Joshua Wang about "democracy."
They care about their own interests which lies in China's stopping being a threat to the US' economic and military imperialism. So, China has to move on carefully, without scaring the elephants (economic dynamics) in the china shop. It is too early to take the US upfront; but, that day will come eventually when either the US will be forced to stop interfering in China's affairs, or, its own weakness and China's relative strength will do the job by default. Either way, the ideological terrorists of the US regime will fail.
Ex-Hong Kong leader says Chinese military not to handle protests
Former Hong Kong's top leader Tung Chee-hwa said on Friday that he believes that China's People' s Liberation Army will not get involved in handling the ongoing protests, since he is confident in the capability of Hong Kong's police.
Tung made the remarks at a press conference held in the former chief executive's official mansion.
It has been the second time for Tung to speak to the press since the Occupy movement started on Sept. 28.
Three arms of the PLA, army, navy and air force, have garrisoned the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region since the former British colony was handed over to China in 1997.
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I agree with what you are saying.
But if China don't act and kick out all the groups I mentioned out of China, then the US will achieve its goal of halting China's progress through protest movements using these groups as you see in other countries.
US won't sanction China because the US economy and US multinationals depend on China for many things. By sanctioning China, the US destroys itself. So China must be smart and see that China holds all the cards here, not the US. US will scream but they can't do anything to China militarily or sanctions wise. China is far too big economically to the world to cut out China.
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Exactly. Maybe it is time to take certain steps, like you mention in the above posts, such as:
1. Merging HK customs with that of the Mainland with the Mainland laws reining supreme. Giving all HK residents the passport of the mainland. Those who are unwilling would be stripped of citizenship and deported to the country of their liking.
2. Evicting all foreign NGOs as well as closing down the media with ties to foreign interests, including those related to TW.
3. Encouraging more Mainland investment and tourism into HK.
4. Closing down all diplomatic missions in HK (especially, US and HK), requesting them to relocate to other mainland cities.
5. Unify the education system with those of the Mainland.
I see the present talks as a last effort. If it fails, anticipate a more resolute action from Beijing.
Then I will be really thankful to the protesters.
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I agree with all 5 points. I think immigration should be controlled by Beijing and all HK residents should be given passports of the mainland.
Point 5 is important to make sure HK youth feel patriotic towards mainland China.
HK should not be treated as a special administrative region of China, it should be treated as a normal Chinese province.
Same should be done to Macau.
No need to appease the US or its puppets anymore.
Enough is enough.
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Hi BoQ77. Long time, no see. Yet another fake account?
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