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Lool that's because the CCP is corrupt to the core. hence we can infiltrate china more easily.:enjoy: As i said before, they are quite incompetent to some extent, unlike what most of us think .
Moreover i dont understand why some chinese member on here are crying foul, of course the U.S and any country for that matter will do everything that is in their interests, doesn't matter if its morally right or wrong as far as your objectives are met.i don't fibd anything wrong in that, Russia and china willl doo the same if they were as powerful as the U.S. Thats politics for u. if you cant play it then give up and join our side. :D

You are right
The uk and usa infiltrations are a lot more deadly and widespread than ebola
HK is on par in terms of corruption perception index with uk
China is better on those scores than corruptive India

An invitation to join viruses? No way :nono::stop:
We would first of all like to have the diseases contained / quarantined o_O;)
It takes time, just more time to find the curing vaccine.8-):-)


In Pakistan we can understand that every agent is/was like ramen devis roaming freely without check and balance thanks to our sold out politician, but in China, I am totally in blank and secondly can anyone tell me what is the problem(complications) in kicking the american/western backed NGO out of HK

First a massive media fanfare on violations of HRs / blocking freedom of this or that :close_tema:
Second Diplomatic blamegame :flame:
Third - Sanctions intiated by the wolfpack :dirol:8-):angry:
4th - impending war :bad:
 
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dont worship "democracy" like it is the almighty that can fix everything

as I mentioned in my post a black guy was killed in Missouri after a series of "witch-hunting" like crimes against the black community. How long has the USA been trying to eradicate race discrimnation since G. Washington and fail? And you are the "democracy" of the world?



so you are saying change is slow or not at all in VN then you, alongside some of the Vietnam-flagged members here are defeating your advocates for the criminals on the streets of HK who are demanding an immediate change to the electoral system while the HK government and CPC are stipulating a gradual progression towards universal suffrage :china::coffee:



Read post #121 please. That was just focusing on the topic in discussion. There are many other things in which China and USA have opposite and conflicting stances 8-)

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Business is business
Sports are sports
Politics is different - it may cause bloodbath. :o:



There are perhaps more atrocities done in India alone than China
YOu still miss my point. "democracy" is not God!

Again if you allow India, Brazil, the Philippines and as you also claimed Vietnam the patience to change over time then why you are supporting HK criminals to change the system in HK drastically? You are double standard and contradicing yourself.:dirol::tdown:

India has done and is still doing a lot of bad things to its people a lot more than "house eviction" despite its claim of the largest "democracy":blah: :fie::bad:



I dont think India nor the American presidents will agree to this statement. ;):coffee:

Correction to above: post # 107




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Occupy Central: Holding Hong Kong’s 'Silent Majority' Hostage

The majority of Hongkongers are against the protests, which pose a serious threat to the rule of law and social stability.

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By Jin Kai
October 18, 2014

“Greek, ‘rule by the people’.” This is the definition of “democracy” given by Oxford Concise Dictionary of Politics. It adds, “Since the people are rarely unanimous, democracy as a descriptive term is synonymous with majority rule.”

Who are the majority in Hong Kong, especially in this chaotic situation? According to recent polls conducted by University of Hong Kong, as of October 2014, 54 percent of the interviewees in Hong Kong opposed “Occupy Central.” By contrast, only 27 percent of Hongkongers support this movement.

Interestingly, those who oppose the Occupy Central movement (including groups like “Silent Majority for Hong Kong”) have been quickly labeled as “pro-Beijing” by the “pan-democratic” camp in Hong Kong as well as the West. In general, the term “pro-Beijing” is used to differentiate these groups from others who identify as “pro-democratic” or “pan-democratic.” But this begs the question: Does being “pro-Beijing” naturally equate to a moral and legal “anti-democratic” stance? After all, the Occupy supporters are in the minority. Does the West believe that the minority’s violation of the rule of law and their destruction of social stability is a genuinely pure democracy? Should the Oxford Dictionary revise its definition of “democracy” to include the rule of the minority?

Robert Chow, spokesman for the Alliance for Peace and Democracy in Hong Kong, clarified in a discussion with Bloomberg TV that the alliance speaks for Hong Kong people. Chow said his group started to speak out since the Occupy movement has been holding the “silent majority” “hostage” over the past days. It truly has been a political kidnapping, especially when we remember that “Occupy” was a worldwide, impetuous movement mainly carried by an agitated younger generation. Isn’t this movement a violation of the rule of law, a central value upheld by true believers in democracy? Meanwhile, if people want to criticize the Hong Kong police’s recent move to restore order and the rule of law in Hong Kong, please don’t forget that nearly 8,000 protesters have been arrested in the U.S. since the Occupy movement began in 2011.

Some protestors may truly wish to realize an ultimately pure democracy in Hong Kong. Still, the fact is that this Special Administrative Region, as a part of China, has actually enjoyed a higher degree of autonomy and democracy than it had at any time during Hong Kong’s 150-year history as a British colony. Prior to 1997, the heads (governors) of Hong Kong were never elected by the Hong Kong people, much less chosen through a “one person, one vote” direct election. It was not until 1997 when Hong Kong people (the 400 members of the Selection Committee) truly voted and elected their first chief executive.

Yes, pure democracy is a good thing, but it definitely requires a long process. Without a progressive approach that includes a process of “localization,” pure democracy risks causing uncontrollable social chaos and political disasters. We’ve already seen this happen in some Arab and Eurasian states after the so-called “Arab Spring” and “color revolutions.”

In Hong Kong, these young college students and even high-school teenagers could have won good will for seeking a more democratic and better future for Hong Kong. The problem lies in the extreme, irresponsible, and impetuous way they have chosen to express their political will. Ironically, they themselves are providing the most direct challenge to their original ideals. Their idealism and impetuosity is a dangerous combination.

Meanwhile, the Hong Kong government and Beijing have remained relatively moderate. Their advantage (and their confidence) comes from the majority’s support. Their attitude, a sort of realist constancy, has proven much more effective than the protestors’ actions of blocking streets and occupying public spaces (especially after perceptions grew that the students were using these spaces as their personal playground).

And, of course, there’s an even thornier question: who is behind these college students and high school teenagers? It’s needless to speculate now; the truth will eventually come out.

I’ll leave readers with Robert Chow’s incisive argument from his Bloomberg interview: “At the end of the day, democracy is giving the vote to the people, let the people decide… It’s not going out to the street, blocking everything and say, ‘Right, I have the might, I have the mob, then I win.’ No, sorry, that is not democracy.”
 
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Clowns? Do you mean typical young adults being dumb, wild, expressive? Many successful people were once like that as a teenager or college student.
 
Lool that's because the CCP is corrupt to the core. hence we can infiltrate china more easily.:enjoy: As i said before, they are quite incompetent to some extent, unlike what most of us think .
Moreover i dont understand why some chinese member on here are crying foul, of course the U.S and any country for that matter will do everything that is in their interests, doesn't matter if its morally right or wrong as far as your objectives are met.i don't fibd anything wrong in that, Russia and china willl doo the same if they were as powerful as the U.S. Thats politics for u. if you cant play it then give up and join our side. :D

There are also British and U.S. nationals joining ISIS. Guess ISIS is "as powerful as" you ;) LOL.

What's happening is one side is trying to sell illusions to the other side. "Freedom" is just as enticing as "72 virgins". It has nothing to do with who is powerful.
 
Turmoil in Hong Kong, Terrorism in Xinjiang: America’s Covert War on China
By Tony Cartalucci
Global Research, October 21, 2014

China is facing increasing pressure along two fronts. In its western province of Xinjiang, terrorists have been stepping up destabilization and separatist activities.

In China’s southeast Special Administrative Region of Hong Kong, protests have disrupted normality in the dense urban streets, with protest leaders seeking to directly confront Beijing while dividing and destabilizing both Hong Kong society and attempting to “infect” the mainland.

What is more troubling is the greater geopolitical agenda driving both of these seemingly “internal” conflicts – and that they both lead back to a single source beyond China’s borders. With the so-called “Islamic State” (ISIS) now implicated in receiving, training, and employing terrorists from China’s Xinjiang province, and considering the fact that ISIS is the result of an intentional, engineered proxy war the US and its allies are waging in the Middle East, along with the fact that the unrest in Hong Kong is also traced back to Washington and London, presents a narrative of an ongoing confrontation between East and West being fought on the battlefield of fourth generation warfare.

ISIS: Washington’s Global Expeditionary Force

If one was asked to name a global-spanning military and intelligence operation opposed to Syria, Iran, Russia, and China, they might say the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the US Government – and they would be right. But they could also easily answer by saying the “Islamic State” or ISIS/ISIL as it is also known. This is especially true after revelations surfaced that US-backed Uyghur separatists in China’s western-most province of Xinjiang have joined ISIS for training with intentions of leading an armed rebellion against Beijing upon their return.

Reuters in their article, “China militants getting IS ‘training’,” would claim:

Chinese militants from the western region of Xinjiang have fled from the country to get “terrorist training” from Islamic State group fighters for attacks at home, state media reported on Monday.

The report was the first time state-run media had linked militants from Xinjiang, home to ethnic minority Uighur Muslims, to militants of the Islamic State group of radical Sunni Muslims.

China’s government has blamed a surge of violence over the past year on Islamist militants from Xinjiang who China says are fighting for an independent state called East Turkestan.

However, it isn’t just China’s government that claims militants in Xinjiang seek to carve out an independent state in western China – the militants themselves have stated as much, and the United States government fully backs their agenda to do so. Indeed, first and foremost in backing the Xinjiang Uyghur separatists is the United States through the US State Department’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED). For China, the Western region referred to as “Xinjiang/East Turkistan” has its own webpage on NED’s site covering the various fronts funded by the US which include:

International Uyghur Human Rights and Democracy Foundation $187,918To advance the human rights of ethnic Uyghur women and children. The Foundation will maintain an English- and Uyghur-language website and advocate on the human rights situation of Uyghur women and children.

International Uyghur PEN Club $45,000To promote freedom of expression for Uyghurs. The International Uyghur PEN Club will maintain a website providing information about banned writings and the work and status of persecuted poets, historians, journalists, and others. Uyghur PEN will also conduct international advocacy campaigns on behalf of imprisoned writers.

Uyghur American Association $280,000To raise awareness of Uyghur human rights issues. UAA’s Uyghur Human Rights Project will research, document, and bring to international attention, independent and accurate information about human rights violations affecting the Turkic populations of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.

World Uyghur Congress $185,000To enhance the ability of Uyghur prodemocracy groups and leaders to implement effective human rights and democracy campaigns. The World Uyghur Congress will organize a conference for pro-democracy Uyghur groups and leaders on interethnic issues and conduct advocacy work on Uyghur human rights.

ISIS Conveniently Targets Washington’s Adversaries Worldwide

The next step Washington appears to be taking in China is an attempts to enhance the menace of terrorists in Xinjiang. In addition to assisting US attempts to destabilize territory in China, ISIS has also threatened to launch a campaign against another US enemy – Russia – this in addition to already directly fighting Hezbollah in Lebanon, the governments of Syria and Iraq, and with ISIS claiming to be behind attacks in Egypt against the military-led government that ousted the West’s Muslim Brotherhood proxies.

With both Russia and China now in ISIS’ sights, the global public must begin asking questions as to how and why ISIS just so happens to be arraying itself against all of Washington’s enemies, by-passing all of its allies including Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, and where exactly they are getting the weapons, cash, intelligence, logistical, and administrative capabilities to do so.
So suspicious is ISIS’ appearance, agenda, and actions, many across the world have long-ago concluded they are simply the latest creation of the US and other Western-aligned intelligence agencies, just as Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood was before them, So loud has this narrative become, establishment newspapers like the New York Times have begun writing columns to tamp down what they are calling “conspiracy theories.”



The New York Times would report in a piece titled, “Suspicions Run Deep in Iraq That C.I.A. and the Islamic State Are United,” that:

The United States has conducted an escalating campaign of deadly airstrikes against the extremists of the Islamic State for more than a month. But that appears to have done little to tamp down the conspiracy theories still circulating from the streets of Baghdad to the highest levels of Iraqi government that the C.I.A. is secretly behind the same extremists that it is now attacking.

The New York Times dismisses these claims, despite reporting for the past 4 years on the CIA’s presence along the Turkish-Syrian border dumping weapons and cash into the very hotbeds of extremism and terrorism ISIS rose from. Upon closer examination, not only are these claims plausible, they are documented fact.

As far back as 2007, Pulitzer Prize-winning veteran journalist Seymour Hersh would warn of the creation of just such a terror group in his 9-page report in the New Yorker titled, “The Redirection Is the Administration’s new policy benefitting our enemies in the war on terrorism?” He stated that (emphasis added):

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

That “by-product” is ISIS. It is through America’s own premeditated conspiracy to plunge not only Syria, but the entire region and now potentially Russia and even China into genocidal sectarian bloodshed that gave intentional rise to ISIS. The creation of ISIS and its use as a proxy mercenary force for Western designs is once again revealed in ISIS’ otherwise irrational declaration of war on Russia first, and now China.

America Opens Second Front in Hong Kong

It was in April of 2014 that two co-organizers of the so-called “Occupy Central” protests now ongoing in Hong Kong, would sit in Washington DC giving a talk hosted by the US State Department’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED). There, Martin Lee and Anson Chan set the stage for the impending “Occupy Central” demonstrations, introducing soon-to-be famous “characters” like US-cultivated “activist” Joshua Wong, as well as repeating, verbatim, the agenda, talking points, and slogans now flooding the airwaves and headlines regarding Hong Kong’s unrest.

While the US attempts to peel off Xinjiang province by brute force, it is using a more subtle and insidious method in Hong Kong. During Lee and Chan’s talk in DC earlier this year, a representative from the Council on Foreign Relations would literally proclaim it was hoped that ongoing movements in Hong Kong would “infect” mainland China. Indeed, while militancy and terrorism is being sown in China’s west, sedition, political instability, and social divisions are being cultivated in China’s east.

America’s Long War With China

The adversarial nature of Washington’s posture toward Beijing has become increasingly obvious as tensions are intentionally ratcheted up in the South China Sea between US proxies and mainland China, as well as in Hong Kong. This is simply the latest in a much longer proxy war waged against Beijing since as early as the Vietnam War, with the so-called “Pentagon Papers” released in 1969 revealing the conflict as simply one part of a greater strategy aimed at containing and controlling China. While the US would ultimately lose the Vietnam War and any chance of using the Vietnamese as a proxy force against Beijing, the long war against Beijing would continue elsewhere.

This containment strategy would be updated and detailed in the 2006 Strategic Studies Institute report “String of Pearls: Meeting the Challenge of China’s Rising Power across the Asian Littoral” where it outlines China’s efforts to secure its oil lifeline from the Middle East to its shores in the South China Sea as well as means by which the US can maintain American hegemony throughout the Indian and Pacific Ocean. The premise is that, should Western foreign policy fail to entice China into participating in the “international system” as responsible stakeholders, an increasingly confrontational posture must be taken to contain the rising nation.

This includes funding, arming, and backing terrorists and proxy regimes from Africa, across the Middle East, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, and even within China’s territory itself. Documented support of these movements not only include Xinjiang separatists and the leaders of “Occupy Central” in Hong Kong, but also militants and separatists in Baluchistan, Pakistan where the West seeks to disrupt a newly christened Chinese port and pipeline, as well as the machete wielding supporters of Aung San Suu Kyi in Myanmar’s Rakhine state – yet another site the Chinese hope to establish a logistical hub.

It is not a coincidence that ISIS is standing in for and fulfilling America’s deepest imperial aspirations from North Africa, across the Middle East, and now inching toward the borders of the West’s two largest competitors, Russia and China. Nor is it a coincidence that “Occupy Central” protesters are parroting verbatim talking points scripted in Washington earlier this year. It is no coincidence that the US State Department’s NED is found involved in every hotspot of instability and conflict both within China’s borders and beyond them. It is a documented conspiracy that is now increasingly seeing the light truth cast upon it. Whether or not that is enough to end the unnecessary barbarism and bloodshed that has resulted from the West’s hegemonic aspirations remains to be seen.

Tony Cartalucci, Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer, especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
 
Lool that's because the CCP is corrupt to the core. hence we can infiltrate china more easily.:enjoy: As i said before, they are quite incompetent to some extent, unlike what most of us think .
Moreover i dont understand why some chinese member on here are crying foul, of course the U.S and any country for that matter will do everything that is in their interests, doesn't matter if its morally right or wrong as far as your objectives are met.i don't fibd anything wrong in that, Russia and china willl doo the same if they were as powerful as the U.S. Thats politics for u. if you cant play it then give up and join our side. :D

No, we love to play game, and Chairman Mao always taught us that fighting with the enemies is a pleasure.
 
yeah, so CCP always wants to find out some enemies internally and externally for fighting?

If they don't fight the enemies, the enemies will fight them.

The world is not peaceful at all, and China needs a strong aggressive regime like CPC, not a spineless western lackey regime like KMT.
 
I was born in the Mainland China during the 1980s, how I can be a victim of KMT?

I despise KMT because of their weakness/incompetence and treason against China.

I think KMT will lose in the next public election.

DPP's Tsai Ing-wen is the strongest candidate for presidency.
 
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