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The worsening Syria conflict has exposed an uncomfortable truth behind China's cherished policy of non-interference: Beijing cannot do much to influence events even if it wanted to.

With weak and untested military forces unable to project power in the Middle East, China can only play a low-key role in a region that is crucial for its energy security.

As the United States and its allies gear up for a probable military strike on Syria, raising fears of a regional conflagration, China remains firmly on the sidelines, despite it having much more at stake than some other big powers.

The Middle East is China's largest source of crude oil. Without it, the world's second-largest economy would shudder to a halt. In the first seven months of this year, China imported about 83 million metric tons (91.49 million tons) of crude from the region, half its total, with top suppliers including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.

China has few economic interests in Syria itself but believes it has a strategic and diplomatic imperative to ensure Middle East stability and to protect a vital energy source.

Retired Major General Luo Yuan, one of China's most outspoken military figures, told the official People's Daily last year that with so much oil at stake "we cannot think that the issues of Syria and Iran have nothing to do with us".

China insists it is neither backing nor protecting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, saying it only vetoed U.N. resolutions it thought would worsen the crisis. Beijing has also hosted both government and opposition officials in an attempt to find a political solution, albeit with few results.

Even if the government were to go against its principle of not interfering in the affairs of other countries, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is still far from capable of all but the most token presence in lands far from home.

"In terms of the PLA becoming actively involved, doing things the United States and its allies plan to do in the next few days, it does not at the moment have the wherewithal to do that," said Ross Babbage, a military analyst in Canberra and a former senior Australian defense official.

China's military, despite making rapid progress in stealth fighter technology and launching its first aircraft carrier, is largely untested. It last fought a war in 1979, against Vietnam, which did not go well for the ill-prepared Chinese.

Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy patrols off the coast of Somalia, but when it came to evacuating its citizens from Libya in 2011 during fighting there, China was forced to rely mainly on chartering ferries.

The PLA is for now focused on operations in the Pacific, Babbage said.

"But to conduct the sort of operations we're talking about here, into the Mediterranean, they're really not geared for that. Could they do it in 10 years time? Absolutely, if they chose to do it."

President Xi Jinping said last month that becoming a maritime power was an important task for China as "the oceans and seas have an increasingly important strategic status".

NOT YET A SUPERPOWER

Publicly, China has shown few signs of wanting to get more deeply involved in the Middle East, whether militarily or diplomatically, a region it has little experience in, unlike the United States, Russia, Britain or France, the other veto-holding members of the U.N. Security Council.

China has gone through the motions of sending envoys to Syria, and hosting government and opposition officials in Beijing, though some of its diplomatic efforts have come across as insensitive in the Arab world and have provoked a backlash.

Early last year, demonstrators hurled rocks, eggs and tomatoes at the Chinese embassy in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, after Russia and China vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution backing an Arab plan urging Assad to give up power.

China does not think responsibility for security there lies in China's hands as it has no way to effectively get involved, said Yin Gang, an expert on China's Middle East policies at government think-tank the China Academy of Social Sciences.

"If there is stability that's good for China, and if there is chaos that is bad for China. But China does not have the ability to maintain stability there," Yin said.

"It's impossible, totally impossible. China has no way of using military forces to protect its interests in the Middle East. The best way to protect its interests would be to diversify its oil imports, get more from Russia, from other parts of the world."

For China, the Middle East is also a mysterious region about which the Chinese know little, said Xu Guangyu, a retired major general and now senior adviser to the government-run China Arms Control and Disarmament Association.

"China has no way of knowing what's really going on in these countries," said Xu, who agreed that China's armed forces were simply not up to the task of a Middle Eastern adventure.

"We need to adopt a neutral position," he said.

Still, there has been discussion on the fringes, on websites frequented by hawkish military types, of whether the time is right to re-focus its military for more of a aggressive role in the Middle East.

China effectively relies on a strong U.S. military presence in the region to guarantee stability and the smooth flow of oil, especially through the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has threatened in the past to close in the event of war.

That could increasingly grate on the Chinese and prompt a strategic re-think, said a diplomatic source who is familiar with China's Middle East policy.

"At some point China is going to say: why should the United States be protecting our oil?"

Analysis: China has much at risk but no reach in Middle East | Reuters
 
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What a telling article! This is the power of China in real terms, one brain fart after another for the press, but no actual muscle to stop the US. you can't be surprised folks- they can't even get countries they assume leadership over to listen to them i.e. Taiwan and HK.
 
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What a telling article! This is the power of China in real terms, one brain fart after another for the press, but no actual muscle to stop the US.

Isn't it sad? After leaving the Middle East in flames a decade earlier during its Iraq debacle, US imperialism seems poised once again to ravage the region. And just as you put it, China (as well as the rest of the international community, including Russia) has little "actual muscle to stop the US", although your gloating tone is rather sick and inappropriate here. You should be standing with your fellow brown people on the other side of the world, not cheering on military aggression against them.
 
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Prove the sceptics wrong, china should send lioling and j20's, show the world what chinese fanbois have been incessently harping about for the past few years that chinese are a superior breed and a suppah duppah power. Stand by your Muslim brethren for once instead of just making money selling crappy defense equipment. Stop relying on Russia to fight your battles for you for once.

If you cant then cease dragging your puny ***** into everyone's matters.
 
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Prove the sceptics wrong, china should send lioling and j20's, show the world what chinese fanbois have been incessently harping about for the past few years that chinese are a superior breed and a suppah duppah power. Stand by your Muslim brethren for once instead of just making money selling crappy defense equipment. Stop relying on Russia to fight your battles for you for once.

I'm confused, why is this our war? If anything this is Russian's war. Russians invaded middle east. Either historically or recently, there has been no connection between China and middle east strong enough to be called Allies.
 
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China's power projection capabilities are worse than the UK or France, let alone Russia, let alone the USA.

This goes without saying, China has not been historically interested in fighting wars on the other side of the world, or for that matter fighting wars within their own sphere of influence.

Since Ancient times, China has been far more technologically and economically advanced than Southeast Asia, yet it never thought of colonizing or enslaving those nations. It considered them 'barbarians', and not fit for civilization, so it didn't see the point (or the benefit) of bringing in what it considered to be 'lesser' peoples' into it's fold.

Us Westerners on the other hand, now must reap the benefits of unbridled diversity and mass immigration, something which spells doom for Western civilization.

In certain respects, China is lucky that she hasn't been so influential in the world; I can only wish that the USA had been the same... it's too late now... :hitwall:
 
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China focus on establishing Multiculturalism, so of course , not much interest in the middle east.:woot:
 
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China is not interest in being a world police. Our policy had been to conduct business abroad and stay out of internal politics. We don't want to be superpower. We are a world power. We can easily project our power in 10 years if we choose to by building more aircraft carrier and station our troop in foreign soil. But it is not our strategic interest at this point. Once again, China is smart to stay out of the Middle-East war. The Assad regime or the Al-Qaeda back's Rebel regime, neither outcome is favorable to the West, but to us, we don't care. We do business with both. That is smart business 101.

China doesn't need to prove our military strength and boasting our power for the global community to exploit. Again, policing is not our duty. Since the USA plays the police role, the UN community expects the USA to act on every situation. That is stupid and the USA got themselves in this mess. The USA is being exploited by various middle-east interest to work for them free. China is just smart and remain commit to stay neutral. This way, we do not get drag into a war. Even if we want to, we have no way of getting involve. The world can't blame China. Just smart by China, generally speaking.
 
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Why does China need a military presence all over the world? As long as the oil keeps flowing, everyone's happy.

If and when someone cuts off China's oil supply, China needs the ability to deliver devastating consequences to that country's mainland. As long as that capability is understood by potential adversaries, misadventures will be avoided.
 
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The worsening Syria conflict has exposed an uncomfortable truth behind China's cherished policy of non-interference: Beijing cannot do much to influence events even if it wanted to.

It's true! Stupid COMMUNIST!

It's time for the communist to drop the stupid non-interfering policy and start to became a responsible country to the world.

Let's start it with overthrowing the Japanese WW2 worshiper regime and ban them for enter Japan politics forever. It's better if China can put all them in the jail for a lifetime or a death sentence.
 
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China's power projection capabilities are worse than the UK or France, let alone Russia, let alone the USA.

This goes without saying, China has not been historically interested in fighting wars on the other side of the world, or for that matter fighting wars within their own sphere of influence.

Since Ancient times, China has been far more technologically and economically advanced than Southeast Asia, yet it never thought of colonizing or enslaving those nations. It considered them 'barbarians', and not fit for civilization, so it didn't see the point (or the benefit) of bringing in what it considered to be 'lesser' peoples' into it's fold.

Any sources?

Chinese are kinda like Indian Empire...they were SO big within themselves that they didn't need to invade other lands...

Little, insignificant Europeans on the other hand could not have prospered with exploration, outside resources and what not.
Us Westerners on the other hand, now must reap the benefits of unbridled diversity and mass immigration, something which spells doom for Western civilization.

What western civilization? lol..

Also, immigration is something that is keeping you ahead of others. H-B1 visa gets the best brains in the world to the U.S...Without immigrants, you would not have this much lead...

Koreans, Thai, Chinese, Indians etc just dominate higher education sector and high-tech innovation sector of the U.S (w.r.t their percentage share)...So thanks to immigration you still have the lead...
In certain respects, China is lucky that she hasn't been so influential in the world; I can only wish that the USA had been the same... it's too late now... :hitwall:

Chinese are historical great power...They can "absorb" power/greatness with dignity. U.S was kinda like an average guy who just won billion dollars in a lottery...and can't "absorb" that money...

No wonder you see things like "Policeman of the world..America! blah blah" :lol:

But U.S still has hundred years or so..don't worry.
 
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Any sources?
Chinese are kinda like Indian Empire...they were SO big within themselves that they didn't need to invade other lands...
Little, insignificant Europeans on the other hand could not have prospered with exploration, outside resources and what not.

Insignificant Europeans in the Roman era had a much bigger industrial base then the Chinese dynasty in the same period.

The Roman industry produced lead on the scale at the time of the Industrial Revolution, marking "the oldest large-scale hemispheric pollution ever reported". The Roman production of copper, the basis for bronze and brass alloys, remained unsurpassed again until the Industrial Revolution. In 150 AD, the Roman Empire had an estimated stock of 10,000 t silver.

Comparison between Roman and Han Empires - Wikiversity

Sorry to burst your bubble....


What western civilization? lol..

Also, immigration is something that is keeping you ahead of others. H-B1 visa gets the best brains in the world to the U.S...Without immigrants, you would not have this much lead...

Koreans, Thai, Chinese, Indians etc just dominate higher education sector and high-tech innovation sector of the U.S (w.r.t their percentage share)...So thanks to immigration you still have the lead...

You pay for the degree, while i get to watch lectures from Yale, Harvard etc...for i think 2.50€ extra TV subscription....
You'll also be glad to now that on prominent scientific websites that report findings from above mentioned universities there's still a majority of article writers whose name sounds like they didn't benefit from the H-B1 visa programme.
There are a lot of beneficiaries of the programme as well/naturalized Americans, some are even project/team leaders but they don't make up for the ratio.
But i would agree that too many pursued useless degrees in liberal arts and alike instead of STEM.
 
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China has no need to meddle in the middle east, they don't have to take a moral ground on any conflict. Money does all the talking and the Arabs, extremist or not love it. The west can fight all they want, china will come afterwards and buy everything they see fit since they are the only one with the liquidity.
 
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Insignificant Europeans in the Roman era had a much bigger industrial base then the Chinese dynasty in the same period.

It's kind of hard to believe the Romans had higher iron production when China was the only place in the world with a blast furnace. Most likely, all discrepancies in production can be attributed to the voracious Roman appetite for slavery, which gave pre-industrial civilizations a huge economic advantage.
 
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China's power projection capabilities are worse than the UK or France, let alone Russia, let alone the USA.

This goes without saying, China has not been historically interested in fighting wars on the other side of the world, or for that matter fighting wars within their own sphere of influence.

Since Ancient times, China has been far more technologically and economically advanced than Southeast Asia, yet it never thought of colonizing or enslaving those nations. It considered them 'barbarians', and not fit for civilization, so it didn't see the point (or the benefit) of bringing in what it considered to be 'lesser' peoples' into it's fold.

Us Westerners on the other hand, now must reap the benefits of unbridled diversity and mass immigration, something which spells doom for Western civilization.

In certain respects, China is lucky that she hasn't been so influential in the world; I can only wish that the USA had been the same... it's too late now... :hitwall:

some correction,China did enslave Korea,Vietnam and several others while made some others as a client state..also,there was no concept of country..China actually grew in size exponentially through the ages...
 
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