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China has much at risk but no reach in Middle East

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Chinese are kinda like Indian Empire...they were SO big within themselves that they didn't need to invade other lands...

Little, insignificant Europeans on the other hand could not have prospered with exploration, outside resources and what not.

Why is it that the insignificant Europeans were able to dominate BIG India with a tiny Army? Why is it that insignificant Europeans were able to colonize the rest of Humanity? I think you're drooling.

And the Indian "Empire" (haha!! too funny), was so incompetent that it was always being invaded in one way or another; by Mongols, or Turks, or Brits, or Indo-Aryans.... It didn't matter, they were always on the kicking end of a fight.

What western civilization? lol..

Wow, another retard who pretends to have never heard of Western Civilization.

You can start here - History of Western civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here - Western culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, immigration is something that is keeping you ahead of others. H-B1 visa gets the best brains in the world to the U.S...Without immigrants, you would not have this much lead...

Damn, we must have been a really illiterate and stupid people pre-1970's. The West must have been the stupid part of the world during those times, incapable of innovation, exploration, or wealth creation. Africa and Asia must have been shining during these times, while us measly Native Europeans, with no help from the Indian call center workers, must have been playing in the mud.

Thanks to Indian/Pakistani/Chinese immigrants like Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, and Galileo Galilei, we were finally able to catch up with you guys! Of course, we still haven't caught up yet; we need to keep importing more Indians to our country before we ever get near India in development. As long as there are more Indians in India than in the USA, we will always be behind.

U.S was kinda like an average guy who just won billion dollars in a lottery...and can't "absorb" that money...

Yea, all of the technological advancements we've given to the world can be easily subscribed to luck!

Is that why you dirty people are living in the United States? Did you come here to insult us as you squat on our territory? Go back to Pakistan you dim-witted and ungrateful POS.

some correction,China did enslave Korea,Vietnam and several others while made some others as a client state..also,there was no concept of country..China actually grew in size exponentially through the ages...

I was referring to the Southeast Asians, after China had reached critical mass. Vietnam wasn't even annexed for most of Chinese history; it was usually a puppet state or a client state.
 
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Yes it's true we don't have power projection yet but we are building our power projection in Air and Naval power. But even if we did have power projection capabilities now, we wouldn't do anything militarily to stop western intervention in Syria. Syria is Russia's problem, not ours.
 
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It's kind of hard to believe the Romans had higher iron production when China was the only place in the world with a blast furnace. Most likely, all discrepancies in production can be attributed to the voracious Roman appetite for slavery, which gave pre-industrial civilizations a huge economic advantage.

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................................. Bloomery ^^

The sites of about 113 bloomeries have been identified as Roman, mainly in East Sussex. The Weald was in this period one of the most important iron-producing regions in Roman Britain. Excavations at a few sites have produced tiles of the Classis Britannica, suggesting that they were actually run by, or were supplying iron to this Roman fleet. Total iron production has been estimated at 750 tons per year, but under 200 tons per year after 250 AD.

Wealden iron industry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is archaeological evidence throughout the Empire demonstrating the large scale excavations, smelting, and trade routes concerning metals. With the Romans came the concept of mass production; this is arguably the most important aspect of Roman influence in the study of Metallurgy.

Roman metallurgy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most likely, all discrepancies in production can be attributed to the voracious Roman appetite for slavery, which gave pre-industrial civilizations a huge economic advantage.

When the cost of producing slaves became too high to justify slave labourers for the many mines throughout the empire around the second century, a system of indentured servitude was introduced for convicts. In 369 AD a law was reinstated due to the closure of many deep mines; Hadrian had previously given the control of mines to private employers, so that workers were hired rather than working out of force.

Roman metallurgy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You say it like in ancient China peasants felt some sort of freedom....
 
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It's a testament to the terrifying efficiency of slavery that Roman iron production remained so high when they could only rely on primitive bloomeries and had no blast furnaces. BTW, what does your final quotation prove, other than that iron production plunged and mines closed when they could no longer rely on slaves and de facto slavery like indentured servitude?

You say it like in ancient China peasants felt some sort of freedom....

Apologizing for slavery by trying to conflate it to peasantry is pretty offensive. I'd like to see you say that to an African-American's face.
 
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It's a testament to the terrifying efficiency of slavery that Roman iron production remained so high when they could only rely on primitive bloomeries and had no blast furnaces. BTW, what does your final quotation prove, other than that iron production plunged and mines closed when they could no longer rely on slaves and de facto slavery like indentured servitude?

workers were hired rather than working out of force


Apologizing for slavery by trying to conflate it to peasantry is pretty offensive. I'd like to see you say that to an African-American's face.

Semantics, at the end of the day both were terrified if they didn't do their jobs like the person above them requested.
 
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Read your quotation more carefully, mines had to close after the production methods were forced to transition from using slavery to free labour.

Btw, the difference between slaves and peasants/farmers is not semantic, and you're a vile person for trying to whitewash such an atrocious institution. There's a reason slavery is banned by the UN declaration of human rights.
 
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Dude, its 4,000 Americans who got returned in body bags from Iraq, not Chinese.

The worsening Syria conflict has exposed an uncomfortable truth behind China's cherished policy of non-interference: Beijing cannot do much to influence events even if it wanted to.

With weak and untested military forces unable to project power in the Middle East, China can only play a low-key role in a region that is crucial for its energy security.

As the United States and its allies gear up for a probable military strike on Syria, raising fears of a regional conflagration, China remains firmly on the sidelines, despite it having much more at stake than some other big powers.

The Middle East is China's largest source of crude oil. Without it, the world's second-largest economy would shudder to a halt. In the first seven months of this year, China imported about 83 million metric tons (91.49 million tons) of crude from the region, half its total, with top suppliers including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.

China has few economic interests in Syria itself but believes it has a strategic and diplomatic imperative to ensure Middle East stability and to protect a vital energy source.

Retired Major General Luo Yuan, one of China's most outspoken military figures, told the official People's Daily last year that with so much oil at stake "we cannot think that the issues of Syria and Iran have nothing to do with us".

China insists it is neither backing nor protecting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, saying it only vetoed U.N. resolutions it thought would worsen the crisis. Beijing has also hosted both government and opposition officials in an attempt to find a political solution, albeit with few results.

Even if the government were to go against its principle of not interfering in the affairs of other countries, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is still far from capable of all but the most token presence in lands far from home.

"In terms of the PLA becoming actively involved, doing things the United States and its allies plan to do in the next few days, it does not at the moment have the wherewithal to do that," said Ross Babbage, a military analyst in Canberra and a former senior Australian defense official.

China's military, despite making rapid progress in stealth fighter technology and launching its first aircraft carrier, is largely untested. It last fought a war in 1979, against Vietnam, which did not go well for the ill-prepared Chinese.

Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy patrols off the coast of Somalia, but when it came to evacuating its citizens from Libya in 2011 during fighting there, China was forced to rely mainly on chartering ferries.

The PLA is for now focused on operations in the Pacific, Babbage said.

"But to conduct the sort of operations we're talking about here, into the Mediterranean, they're really not geared for that. Could they do it in 10 years time? Absolutely, if they chose to do it."

President Xi Jinping said last month that becoming a maritime power was an important task for China as "the oceans and seas have an increasingly important strategic status".

NOT YET A SUPERPOWER

Publicly, China has shown few signs of wanting to get more deeply involved in the Middle East, whether militarily or diplomatically, a region it has little experience in, unlike the United States, Russia, Britain or France, the other veto-holding members of the U.N. Security Council.

China has gone through the motions of sending envoys to Syria, and hosting government and opposition officials in Beijing, though some of its diplomatic efforts have come across as insensitive in the Arab world and have provoked a backlash.

Early last year, demonstrators hurled rocks, eggs and tomatoes at the Chinese embassy in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, after Russia and China vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution backing an Arab plan urging Assad to give up power.

China does not think responsibility for security there lies in China's hands as it has no way to effectively get involved, said Yin Gang, an expert on China's Middle East policies at government think-tank the China Academy of Social Sciences.

"If there is stability that's good for China, and if there is chaos that is bad for China. But China does not have the ability to maintain stability there," Yin said.

"It's impossible, totally impossible. China has no way of using military forces to protect its interests in the Middle East. The best way to protect its interests would be to diversify its oil imports, get more from Russia, from other parts of the world."

For China, the Middle East is also a mysterious region about which the Chinese know little, said Xu Guangyu, a retired major general and now senior adviser to the government-run China Arms Control and Disarmament Association.

"China has no way of knowing what's really going on in these countries," said Xu, who agreed that China's armed forces were simply not up to the task of a Middle Eastern adventure.

"We need to adopt a neutral position," he said.

Still, there has been discussion on the fringes, on websites frequented by hawkish military types, of whether the time is right to re-focus its military for more of a aggressive role in the Middle East.

China effectively relies on a strong U.S. military presence in the region to guarantee stability and the smooth flow of oil, especially through the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has threatened in the past to close in the event of war.

That could increasingly grate on the Chinese and prompt a strategic re-think, said a diplomatic source who is familiar with China's Middle East policy.

"At some point China is going to say: why should the United States be protecting our oil?"

Analysis: China has much at risk but no reach in Middle East | Reuters
 
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Dude, its 4,000 Americans who got returned in body bags from Iraq, not Chinese.

In a war soldiers die dude!~ but dude it was 30 million Chinese that were intentionally starved to death never the Americans! It was Chinese women that were violated in your own country while your soldiers and men ran off- never would happen in america!
 
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In a war soldiers die dude!~ but dude it was 30 million Chinese that were intentionally starved to death never the Americans! It was Chinese women that were violated in your own country while your soldiers and men ran off- never would happen in america!

Your own country India was dominated by the British with the help of Indian sepoys.

They left a permanent mark on Indian Y chromosomes, as did previous central asian invaders for 1,000 years.

Anglo-Indian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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what does that have to do with this topic? you have some japanesa in you too...

Japanese weren't there long. That's like saying Russians got German blood. Also most Taiwan people are people who left the mainland around 49.

Lastly you really want to be racist towards Japanese? You realize Japan is a developed country and India is third world and not about to leave soon.
 
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Japanese weren't there long. That's like saying Russians got German blood. Also most Taiwan people are people who left the mainland around 49.

Lastly you really want to be racist towards Japanese? You realize Japan is a developed country and India is third world and not about to leave soon.

first the whole 'who has what chromosome in whom' was brought by your racist Chinese. secondly , how can I be racist to the Japanese when I state you have their genes too as a reply . thirdly I repeat , what does ' India' have to do with the topic Chinese? stick to the topic.
 
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first the whole 'who has what chromosome in whom' was brought by your racist Chinese. secondly , how can I be racist to the Japanese when I state you have their genes too as a reply . thirdly I repeat , what does ' India' have to do with the topic Chinese? stick to the topic.

You were talking about women being violated? In that case how come India didn't do anything about the Portuguese, British and others violating women in India for several hundred years?

And before you bring up Portuguese and British in Macau and Hong Kong, their men married with Tanka women.

Tanka people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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You were talking about women being violated? In that case how come India didn't do anything about the Portuguese, British and others violating women in India for several hundred years?

And before you bring up Portuguese and British in Macau and Hong Kong, their men married with Tanka women.

Tanka people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no nanking in India's history.
 
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