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China has an advantage over the US Navy that could mean a 'decisive' defeat for US warships in a fight at sea
Ryan Pickrell
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China's Harbin (112) guided missile destroyer takes part in a week-long China-Russia navy exercise AP Photo

  • In the maritime battlespace, Chinese warships have an advantage over US Navy surface ships that could prove "decisive" in a conflict.
  • While the US has China outgunned, having greater capacity than the Chinese, China's naval forces have greater range.
  • Were China to initiate hostilities from a safe distance, its clear range advantage could render the US Navy's capacity advantage irrelevant.

Chinese warships can shoot farther than the US Navy, an ability that could prove "decisive" in a naval conflict, experts argue.

China is arming its surface warships with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles with far greater range than the Cold War-era subsonic missiles the US Navy has in its arsenal.

The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy's advanced Type 052 and Type 055 destroyers carry YJ-18 cruise missiles with an operational range that extends out to 540 kilometers.

US Navy Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers and Ticonderoga-class cruisers are armed with shorter-range missiles, such as the Harpoon anti-ship missiles and SM-6s with surface-to-surface capabilities that have ranges up to only about 240 kilometers.

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The Nanchang, a Type 055 destroyer Photo by Artyom Ivanov\TASS via Getty Images

"That is a very big gap," Robert Haddick, a former Marine Corps officer and visiting senior fellow at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, told Reuters this week. "China's anti-ship missile capability exceeds those of the United States in terms of range, speed, and sensor performance."

Other experts suggest that US and Chinese missiles are equally survivable and lethal, but China definitely appears to have the advantage when it comes to range.

Where the US excels, though, is capacity.

The PLAN's advanced Type 052 and Type 055 destroyers have 64 and 112 vertical launch system (VLS) cells respectively. The US Navy's destroyers and cruisers, on the other hand, respectively have 96 and 122 VLS cells. Furthermore, China does not currently have many heavy-hitters in its surface force.

"The PLAN has like a 10th of the VLS cells of the US Navy, even though it has approximately the same number of surface combatants," Bryan Clark, a former Navy officer and a naval affairs expert at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, told Business Insider.

"So, [Chinese warships] have fewer VLS cells than the US, but arguably, [the PLAN] can devote more of those VLS cells to offensive weapons" than US Navy warships can, he said, suggesting that the offensive capacity gap may actually be much more narrow.

In a ship-to-ship fight, it all comes down to range, capacity, and capability, and it looks like China has an advantage in at least one, if not two, of these areas.

"On any given day in the South China Sea, [the US and China] could find [themselves] in a situation where each side has about the same number of anti-ship cruise missiles, but one side has a much longer range than the other," Clark told BI."The US is going to be at a disadvantage."

In a hypothetical naval conflict scenario with the same types and numbers of ships on each side, the US will undoubtedly have greater capacity, but if the Chinese side is able to launch at longer ranges, then the missiles on the US side wind up being irrelevant if China fires first from outside the range of the US warships.

"What could US ships be launching in response?" Clark asked. "At the ranges we are talking about, nothing."

"Right now, we do not have anything that reaches that far, and therefore, the range disadvantage ends up being dominant. You'll never get a shot. You'll never get a chance to exploit your capacity advantage."

"The range disadvantage ends up being decisive," he added. "Even having the larger capacity is not enough to make up for it if the Chinese initiate the hostilities."

In a broader great power conflict, US combined arms capabilities give the US military an edge, but the stand-off problem continues to be a serious issue. This is why the US Navy is modifying the Tomahawk cruise missile to have a maritime strike capability. It's about getting that range back.

"The idea," Clark explained, "is that if you had the Maritime Strike Tomahawk, you would be able to threaten the PLAN at the kinds of ranges that the PLAN can threaten you." Theoretically, this would, along with the threat of swift retaliation, deter them from ever attacking.

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"The idea," Clark explained, "is that if you had the Maritime Strike Tomahawk, you would be able to threaten the PLAN at the kinds of ranges that the PLAN can threaten you." Theoretically, this would, along with the threat of swift retaliation, deter them from ever attacking.

I always know that what US can do the best is bluffing.
 
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China warship missile cell is bigger and deeper. There fore the anti ship missile is bigger with more legged compare to US.
 
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Again people who don't know how Navy's work during wartime making comments. In the open ocean you'd never want to get anywhere near the opposing force's fleet. Not because you'll get pummeled by their "guns" (or in this age missiles) but because of their aircraft. You are going to end up getting a wave of 50 aircraft launching anti-ship missiles on your fleet if you get even remotely close to an opposing force. Remember WW2? Ships were mostly getting clobbered by planes not the ship's weapons. Your anti-ship missiles will be useless at the range aircraft will attack you at.

Plus things have changed a lot since WW2. You now have to worry about a country's Air Force. A bomber can fly thousands of miles now. in WW2 you'd be lucky to do 500. You don't want a wave of Air Force bombers attacking your fleets in the open ocean with missiles.
 
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Again people who don't know how Navy's work during wartime making comments. In the open ocean you'd never want to get anywhere near the opposing force's fleet. Not because you'll get pummeled by their "guns" (or in this age missiles) but because of their aircraft. You are going to end up getting a wave of 50 aircraft launching anti-ship missiles on your fleet if you get even remotely close to an opposing force. Remember WW2? Ships were mostly getting clobbered by planes not the ship's weapons. Your anti-ship missiles will be useless at the range aircraft will attack you at.
So US should stay away from the Chinese coasts, otherwise they will expose themselves to China's landbased aircrafts and missiles.
 
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Japan is a very small country whose industrial capacity can be easily overwhelmed by US back then, but when it comes to today's China, the opposite is true.

You can't go far in the open ocean without overwhelming air support. That means either a worldwide network of air force bases or a tag team of refuelers flying in circles around a very very slow fleet supporting a screen of aircraft.
 
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You can't go far in the open ocean without overwhelming air support. That means either a worldwide network of air force bases or a tag team of refuelers flying in circles around a very very slow fleet supporting a screen of aircraft.
That means burning away your hard won money and embarking a path of economic declining, we are smarter than that, even Trump is realizing it and tries to retreat in the future.
 
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Don't fall for this propaganda that somehow the Chinese navy has some sort of advantage over the USN. Not only this is not true, the biggest event that has taken place behind the scenes is the fact that US has taken and deployed its weapons in SPACE. That is right folks, while all the other idiots were fighting here on Earth, the US has deployed weapons that can destroy any flotilla, any deployments on the ground and so on by using its Space based weapon systems. And China and Russia are not even in the same league, the other countries are hopelessly insignificant.

And that is why China is not only trying to develop lasers to destroy weapons in Space, but is also sending people to its space station and the moon. But as usual, they are playing a catch-up game to the Master.
 
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you are the same dude who thinks North Korea is a paradise :o:

Almost seems like some folks here use PDF as essentially a place to Hyper nationalist advertise.

The thing is, they’re just preaching to the choir for the most part.
 
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