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China grows stronger. The US grows weaker. Why?

so it is proved that china has poor productivity now that too is in decline. How will china match US productivity then? Then it case china will never match US per capita. While US does all this with less automation and outsourcing to US. Thats why US is better.

Obviously you fail to understand my explanation and the article ..? :)

Please read again above, the article has indirectly explain how china will match US productivity by then.

Do math! China's growth 6.5% vs US growth below 3%, experts has estimated China will be on par with US in term of real GDP per capita, hence that is the year when productivity on par with US (referring to the missconception of "productivity" definition by yours)
 
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in my eyes China overestimate themself a lot....

Since years you read that the USA and the west are loosing ground... all I see is that the USA and west getting stronger and stronger... China playes only a role because of the sheer size of the population... other than that there eco data are not impressive GDP per captiva are still BELOW world average.... not to talk that they are per captiva LIGHTYEARS behind USA or other west nations like Germany UK France Italy Neatherlands etc...

China dont grow stronger...

world top exporter
Europe 37.7%
Asia 34.2% (including Japan Australia New Sealand)
north america 14.2%
middle east 5.2%
south central america 3.4%
africa 2.4%
independent nations 3.1%

top 10 exporters
China
USA
Germany
Japan
Neatherlands
South Korea
HongKong
France
UK
Italy

lets face that straight... 8 of the ten are the western nation block and only 2 are chineses block
Japan and south Korea are in my eyes part of the western nation block because they follow the same priniciples of democratic, free trade, freedom, free press etc... if needed they would stay firm together to defend their princples.

largest importer
EU 36.2%
Asia 30.2%
north america 19.3%
middle east 4.3%
soth and central america 3.8%
africa 3.4%
other 2.1%

top 10 importer
USA
China
Germany
Japan
UK
France
Hongkong
Neatherlands
South Korea
Canada

As much as China needs exports it needs imports

Chinas most important import export partner

export
USA
Hongkong
Japan
south Korea
Germany
Vietnam
India

import
south Korea
Japan
Taiwan
USA
Germany
Australia
Malaysia


China is not in a position to fight and win a trade war against the west.... as much as they export...they also do import a shitload of stuff.
Because of the sheer population China is a production powerhous that is a fact because of that they are number 1 exporter.... but lets get real with the capability of EU or US production they would completely dominate he world... which they do not because they are in almost every area lightyears behind the west... no matter how modern and futurisitc many modern citys are... the by far largest bulk is old an years behind that the reason why ther GDP per captiva still is below world average...

with 1.4billion citzien they are not even close to USA overall GDP... and the USA has only 325million and beat Chinas GDP by lightyears.... and now some claim work ethic as a strong point of china... dumb question.... WHAT ETHIC put USA lightyears ahead China in productivity... good at sport? good at war? or maybee a even better work ethic? ;)
 
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Obviously you fail to understand my explanation and the article ..? :)

Please read again above, the article has indirectly explain how china will match US productivity by then.

Do math! China's growth 6.5% vs US growth below 3%, experts has estimated China will be on par with US in term of real GDP per capita, hence that is the year when productivity on par with US (referring to the missconception of "productivity" definition by yours)
your head go and do the math again. if 300 million have gdp of 15 trillion and 1.2 ppl have gdp of 15 trillion who do you think is better productivity and per capita? Yankees of course.

I totally agree with your mom,sister and auties!!!!!


How does this has anything to do with you indians? You indians is the 51 state of yankees?!
No we are 53rd state of USA working like slaves for the past 30 years.
 
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your head go and do the math again. if 300 million have gdp of 15 trillion and 1.2 ppl have gdp of 15 trillion who do you think is better productivity and per capita? Yankees of course.


No we are 53rd state of USA working like slaves for the past 30 years.
So the bottom line is whoever is the strongest country is your master!!!!
Limeys to yankees,who would be the next one? Jap? Russia?

Yes folks, wang is the true reflection of their IQ. And now you boring me with the low quality debate.
I totally agree with your mom,sister and auties!!!!!
its day by day, you have high IQ I agree, no two things about it.

so it is proved that china has poor productivity now that too is in decline. How will china match US productivity then? Then it case china will never match US per capita. While US does all this with less automation and outsourcing to china. Thats why US is better.

You indians have no position to criticize China at all.
maybe in africa you may find some friends there!!!
 
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your head go and do the math again. if 300 million have gdp of 15 trillion and 1.2 ppl have gdp of 15 trillion who do you think is better productivity and per capita? Yankees of course.


No we are 53rd state of USA working like slaves for the past 30 years.

That is the misconception of yours. You'd better change the "productivity" termination into "per capita" termination. Higher income per capita doesnt mean higher productivity. And nobody deny that China income per capita is still in developing nation league.

And have you understood the reason I said: why it will be hard for India to challenge China economic in the future despite of more population? :)
 
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Yes folks, wang is the true reflection of their IQ. And now you boring me with the low quality debate.
I totally agree with your mom,sister and auties!!!!!
its day by day, you have high IQ I agree, no two things about it.

so it is proved that china has poor productivity now that too is in decline. How will china match US productivity then? Then it case china will never match US per capita. While US does all this with less automation and outsourcing to china. Thats why US is better.
Clearly you do not even know what Long time no see is!
 
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China has failed to close the GDP gap in any significant way going on 4 years now. The US economy just added another $245 billion in the 3rd quarter, with an overall GDP of $19.5 trillion. The US is on pace to surpass $20 trillion by the 2nd or 3rd quarter next year. China simply isn't gaining enough ground on the US economy right now.

The Chinese economy is in long term steady decline. China won't be able to sustain these high growth rates due to an outdated model consisting of debt fueled growth, and a looming demographic crisis. In about 10-15 years, China will begin aging rapidly, putting significant pressure on the Chinese economy. You can expect declining growth rates, and social spending to soar, thereby diverting money from defense and S&T accounts. By around 2050, the Chinese population will then decline in huge numbers. The Chinese population is expected to decline by near 400 million people by 2100. China will essentially go through what Japan is now, just on a much larger scale.

US demographics, on the other hand, are much healthier. The US population is expected to grow to around 450 million by 2100. China will only be a little over twice as large then, and very old. China won't be able to sustain their current model. That is practically guaranteed.

You know that the American economic power is grossly exaggerated?

Read this
https://www.peakprosperity.com/video/85854/playlist/92161/crash-course-chapter-18-fuzzy-numbers
In theory the GDP is the sum total of all value-added transactions within our country in any given year.

Here’s an example, though, of how far from reality GDP has strayed.

The reported number for 2003 was a GDP of 11 trillion dollars implying that $11 trillion of money-based, value-added economic transactions had occurred.

However, nothing of the sort happened.

First, that 11 trillion included $1.6 trillion of Imputations, where it was assumed - or imputed - that economic value had been created but no actual transactions took place.

The largest of these imputations was the “value” that the owner of a house receives by not having to pay themselves rent. Get that? If you own your house free and clear the government adds how much they think you should be paying yourself rent to live there and adds that amount to the GDP.

Another is the benefit you receive from the “free checking” provided by your bank which is imputed to have a value because if it weren’t free, then you’d have to pay for it.

So that value is guesstimated and added to the GDP as well. Together just these two imputations add up to over a trillion dollars of our reported GDP.

Next, the GDP has many elements that are hedonically adjusted. For instance computers are hedonically adjusted to account for the idea that because they are faster and more feature rich than in past years they must be more additive to our economic output.

So if a thousand dollar computer were sold it would be recorded as contributing more than a thousand dollars to the GDP. Of course that extra money is fictitious in the sense that it never traded hands and doesn’t exist..

What’s interesting is that for the purposes of inflation measurements hedonic adjustments are used to reduce the apparent price of computers but for GDP calculations hedonic adjustments are used to boost their apparent price which adds to GDP.

Hedonics, therefore, are used to maneuver prices higher or lower, depending on which outcome makes thing look more favorable.

So what were the total hedonic adjustments in 2003? An additional, whopping $2.3 trillion dollars. Taken together these mean that $3.9 trillion dollars -- or fully 35% of our reported GDP -- was NOT BASED on transactions that you could witness, record, or touch.

They were guessed at, modeled, or imputed but they did not show up in any bank accounts because no cash ever changed hands.

And, just to keep this trend rolling along, in 2013 the Bureau of Economic Analysis made even more huge, structural changes to GDP that - you guessed it! - served to boost GDP to even higher levels.

Actual PDB for the USA remained below $12 trillion probably. Here its their amount without imputation
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A2026C1A027NBEA
Gross domestic product: Excluding imputations (A2026C1A027NBEA) DOWNLOAD
Observation:
2016: 15,628.755
Updated: Oct 27, 2017
Units:
Billions of Dollars,
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Frequency:
Annual
 
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I give you major props for even attempting to participate in what is essentially not much more then a belligerent hyper-nationalist - echo chamber - circle jerk type of thread.

So you agree US is better than china , good now get back to some useful work.


yup thats what it is , but it is fun giving them a good dose of their own medicine and see them goin circles.


Here is another one of them
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-pla-2rd-to-no-one.525387/


Getting "stronger", is not the same as "as strong" or "stronger" :)
 
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China can compete with the US across all levels of the economy, whereas Europe has failed.
Europe failed because they lost their nationalism, gathered upon themselves spring their fellow members & decided to be the humanitarian lawyer of the world.
China built a supercomputer to surpass the US. Europe does not build its own supercomputers.
 
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Europe failed because they lost their nationalism, gathered upon themselves spring their fellow members & decided to be the humanitarian lawyer of the world.
Europe also failed because European countries are too small.

Germany's economy is about 1/4 the size of China's.

Germany is too small to support its own Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu, etc.

Germany speaks German. The rest of Europe (except for Austria) speaks a different language.

Thus, Europe is disadvantaged because they are a collection of incompatible small countries.
 
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One power goes up, another power must come down, it's always a two way traffic. The resources relatively remain the same and the only thing people can do is to change the size of your share.
There is no much room left for US to grow at higher rates. China has 4x more population with so much potential
 
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9.11 is always welcomed!!!
this is freespeech ,as like autralians say tibet not china i respect their rights
No. This is not free speech.

The United States government views that kind of expression as supporting terrorism.

I've warned you not to be stupid.

If you insist, that's your problem.

If you travel in the future, your name will pop up on the US watch list.

This is not a game. The US government is serious.

I told Below_Freezing to stop his anti-US posts, because it will affect his ability to study and work in the US in the future. He smartly stopped posting.

I'm giving you the same advice. Anti-US posts will get you into real trouble. The US is in a bad mood due to China's ascendancy. This is not like the 1970s and 1980s when the US government didn't care what you said.

Today, the US government cares about what people say. You're walking on thin ice and you're about to make a serious mistake. In the end, it's your choice. If you claim to be a Chinese with a high IQ, I strongly suggest you use your IQ now.
 
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2) of course,i am talking about 100 square meters,city like chagnzhou of jiangsu province(rich province)where i live, the unit price is 12000 rmb per square meter(construction unit not the real that you can get,normally you buy an appartment of 100 square meters,you get 85 square meters for real,that is the way it is in China,they said it is copied from Hong Kong style,i do not like it )
two years ago,in Changzhou , maybe 0.5 millions RMB,today at least 1 millions.....
Trust me ,it is very expensive in China to buy an appatment...............

That's expensive. It's almost the price of new flats in Singapore for a 85sqm...
 
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I got mine in Changzhou four years ago with 0.41million with 77sqm (remoted area from city center) while four years later,it values as 0.65 million RMB.
while my friend got his appartment much more close to city center with 0.55 million 4years ago today ,his appartment values 1.1 millions RMB....
true story!!!

That's expensive. It's almost the price of new flats in Singapore for a 85sqm...
 
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